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Either Paul is a liar or he is not.





The Lord Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru Paul and expounded in more detail upon the things that He was teaching to the 12 which is the Gospel of the Kingdom.
his gospel is too different from Christ also he has no witnesses of the message he received in secret!, loves to boast, denigrates constantly the 12 and even Jesus, therefore could be a false teacher and many are deceived . I believe he did have a change or heart and Like Balaam

I am faithful to Christ the 12 and God and will always be. Christ said many would be deceived and would follow the wrong path and few would be saved Jesus is always right! also there are tests for prophets in deuterinomy , paul fails them also!

Here is what Jesus said;

Mat 24:23 At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

Mat 24:25 See, I have told you in advance.

Mat 24:26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. ( this fits paul perfectly)

Mat 24:27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Mat 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
 
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Paul say in (Rom. 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. You had better continue in God’s goodness or you will be cut off. This is also the writing of thee Apostle Paul. You must continue to keep God’s laws if you expect to receive salvation. Also in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.
Yes it's from God coming through Paul
Bro you can post these passages all day long they will not help you. If you keep
Focusing on these descriptive passages and not the ones that show our security in Christ they will just keep you in bondage of self righteousness

Again. You can’t hurt me you just hurt yourself
 
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Bro you can post these passages all day long they will not help you. If you keep
Focusing on these descriptive passages and not the ones that show our security in Christ they will just keep you in bondage of self righteousness

Again. You can’t hurt me you just hurt yourself
Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?
 
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Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?
Self righteousness is all you offer

Yes he will judge everyone according to their deeds

For those who failed to keep the law he will reward them with hellfire

For those who looked to the cross in faith he will not give them what they deaerve

Again your not going to like if you try to hand God your works
 
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could be a false teacher and many are deceived

Those claiming Paul is a false teacher are the actual false teachers.

Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru Paul and other biblical writers as the Lord expounded upon what He taught during his earthly ministry when He was here in the flesh.



judas did, traded eternal life for 30 pieces of silver

Yes he did, but they all claim Judas was never saved in the first place even though Jesus gave Judas the Holy Spirit and he was doing miracles along with the other disciples

So this is a very sore topic with the people who have been deceived in to believing salvation cannot be lost when a person turns away from the Lord which is what Judas did
 

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Yes he did, but they all claim Judas was never saved in the first place even though Jesus gave Judas the Holy Spirit and he was doing miracles along with the other disciples

So this is a very sore topic with the people who have been deceived in to believing salvation cannot be lost when a person turns away from the Lord which is what Judas did
Jesus sent the original 11 and Peter was chosen by GOD to go to the gentiles and be the leader of HiS church, they all went to the gentiles at the set time, they preached Jesus message in it's entirety and not a mystery gospel that no one witnessed but Paul, it is why Paul called it "HIS GOSPEL"

Anyone who was deceived and comes backs to GOD will be welcomed, remember a parable from Jesus about this? one of Jesus message was simple enough;""REPENT""

as for Judas, He was chosen, given power, preached, and did miracles with the others. Jesus treated him as one of the twelve. Judas fell by his own decision. The idea that Judas was “never saved” is not something Jesus said. Instead, Jesus warned all His followers to remain faithful and endure to the end.

John 15:6
“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered...”
Just like a branch that was once part of the vine can be cut off, Judas was once with Jesus, but chose to leave and betray Him. So no—the idea that he was never saved in the first place is not true based on what Jesus said and did.
 
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Self righteousness is all you offer

Yes he will judge everyone according to their deeds

For those who failed to keep the law he will reward them with hellfire

For those who looked to the cross in faith he will not give them what they deaerve

Again your not going to like if you try to hand God your works
Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Now, let's go into Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?
 
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Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Now, let's go into Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?
Amen, unfortunately as I have witnesses many do not follow Jesus but another and false doctrine, they do not know scripture, and do not see the light, yet they called themselves Christians;

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


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Just like a branch that was once part of the vine can be cut off, Judas was once with Jesus, but chose to leave and betray Him. So no—the idea that he was never saved in the first place is not true based on what Jesus said and did.

Exactly. But the eternal security crowd claims Judas was never saved to begin with.

They have to say that to protect their false teaching about salvation cannot be lost.

If they were honest about Judas, then they would have to admit that salvation can actually be lost and they just can't do that due to their pride. And so they hang on to their false doctrine so they don't look bad to others.
 
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Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Now, let's go into Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?
One thing is sure. You have not repented yet

Jesus did not come to destroy he came to fulfill. And to take the curse you owe God

Sadly your like the Jews pumping their chests. Feel free to pump your chest to me. But it does not impress me much

That’s the difference between you and I

1 you think your righteousness and good deeds can save you

2 I know according to their law I am guilty. And through it am Cursed. And became as the tax collector. Now I am free. Free to serve a living God and grow in him not with the spirit of fear. Which you should heed. The the power of love and a sound mind
 

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One thing is sure. You have not repented yet

Jesus did not come to destroy he came to fulfill. And to take the curse you owe God

Sadly your like the Jews pumping their chests. Feel free to pump your chest to me. But it does not impress me much

That’s the difference between you and I

1 you think your righteousness and good deeds can save you

2 I know according to their law I am guilty. And through it am Cursed. And became as the tax collector. Now I am free. Free to serve a living God and grow in him not with the spirit of fear. Which you should heed. The the power of love and a sound mind
Paul says in (Heb. 10:35-39) (v.35) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward. (v.36) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. You must have patience when dealing with the word of God. And you must do the will of God, which is the keeping of his law, if you expect to receive the promise, which is eternal life in the kingdom of God, which will be established on this earth. NO ONE IS GOING TO HEAVEN. And it’s strange that most people who consider themselves “once saved always saved” are the same ones that tell you that God’s commandments were nailed to the cross. (v.37) FOR YET A LITTLE WHILE, AND HE THAT SHALL COME WILL COME, AND WILL NOT TARRY.

(v.38) NOW THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH: BUT IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, MY SOUL SHALL HAVE NO PLEASURE IN HIM. What does Paul mean by if any man draw back? You mean that once you are quote “saved” that you can draw back. According to the apostle Paul you can. Just as you choose by your own free will to start serving the lord, you can by that same free will stop serving the lord or as Paul put it draw back. (v.39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. That’s what you must do, you must have faith (believe) unto the saving of the soul. And your soul is not saved as soon as you start to believe on Jesus, salvation is works in progress, not a one step solution.

The book say in (1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 

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it is possible to 'lose' God's Eternal Salvation?
Not possible:
The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot
Never believed ("one of you is a devil!" Judas!! John 6:70 AV)

Not possible under God's Dispensation Of Grace = God's Eternal Salvation IS: ETERNAL!!:
Vast Multitude Of Scriptural Corroboration!!:


God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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it is possible to 'lose' God's Eternal Salvation?
Not possible:

If that were true, then that means numerous scriptures are lies.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 11:21,22

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5, or 2 Peter 2:20, or Romans 11:21,22
 

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Paul says in (Heb. 10:35-39) (v.35) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward. (v.36) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. You must have patience when dealing with the word of God. And you must do the will of God, which is the keeping of his law, if you expect to receive the promise, which is eternal life in the kingdom of God, which will be established on this earth. NO ONE IS GOING TO HEAVEN. And it’s strange that most people who consider themselves “once saved always saved” are the same ones that tell you that God’s commandments were nailed to the cross. (v.37) FOR YET A LITTLE WHILE, AND HE THAT SHALL COME WILL COME, AND WILL NOT TARRY.

(v.38) NOW THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH: BUT IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, MY SOUL SHALL HAVE NO PLEASURE IN HIM. What does Paul mean by if any man draw back? You mean that once you are quote “saved” that you can draw back. According to the apostle Paul you can. Just as you choose by your own free will to start serving the lord, you can by that same free will stop serving the lord or as Paul put it draw back. (v.39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. That’s what you must do, you must have faith (believe) unto the saving of the soul. And your soul is not saved as soon as you start to believe on Jesus, salvation is works in progress, not a one step solution.

The book say in (1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1. No one is saying we do not have to live in sin
2. John said those born of God can not live in sin
3. do me a favor. read these passages that show the gospel from Paul and Jesus and tell me where works fall in place in getting saved. You keep posting descriptive passages. resolve your works based passages trying to make them required to be saved, and not the result of salvation. and these words of Jesus and Paul which teach otherwise


John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.
 
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it is possible to 'lose' God's Eternal Salvation?
Not possible:

Never believed ("one of you is a devil!" Judas!! John 6:70 AV)

Not possible under God's Dispensation Of Grace = God's Eternal Salvation IS: ETERNAL!!:
Vast Multitude Of Scriptural Corroboration!!:


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Can Salvation Be Lost?


The question of whether salvation is irrevocable or can be lost is a subject of intense theological debate that has been explored throughout Christian history. Within the context of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, particularly through the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, as well as the teachings of the apostles, there is a wealth of evidence suggesting that salvation is not automatically guaranteed for all believers. Rather, it is conditional upon ongoing faith, obedience, and perseverance, and can be forfeited if one fails to remain faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Key Gospel Passages Indicating Salvation Can Be Lost

Matthew

  1. Matthew 6:15: "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
    • This verse presents a direct conditionality. Jesus teaches that God’s forgiveness, which is closely tied to salvation, depends upon the believer’s willingness to forgive others. If a person refuses to forgive, God will not forgive them, and thus their salvation may be jeopardized. This conditional forgiveness underscores the idea that salvation can be forfeited by failing to live out the core principles of the Christian faith, such as mercy and forgiveness.
  2. Matthew 10:22: "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
    • Here, salvation is explicitly connected to enduring in faith "to the end." This implies that salvation is not a one-time, irrevocable event but is contingent upon perseverance. The very need to "endure to the end" suggests the possibility of falling away before reaching the final destination, thereby forfeiting one’s salvation.
  3. Matthew 18:21-35 (The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant):
    • In this parable, a servant who was initially forgiven a great debt by his master later refuses to forgive a fellow servant. As a result, the master rescinds his forgiveness, condemning the servant for his lack of mercy. This parable illustrates that forgiveness—and by extension, salvation—can be lost through unrepentant or sinful actions after receiving God’s grace.

Mark

Mark 10:29-30: "Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake and the gospel's, but he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."
Jesus promises blessings and eternal life to those who forsake everything for His sake, but this is framed within the context of following Him faithfully. The implication is that salvation is not an automatic guarantee but is tied to the continual choice to prioritize the Kingdom of God, even in the face of persecution. This passage highlights that salvation is a journey that requires steadfast commitment, not a one-time event.​

Luke


Luke 12:41-46: "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him... and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."
This passage warns of the consequences for a servant who was entrusted with responsibility but failed to act faithfully. The servant’s eventual fate is to be cast out among the "unbelievers." This suggests that even those who have once been part of the household of faith can lose their place in God’s Kingdom if they abandon their responsibilities or live wickedly.​
Luke 9:23-26: "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me... For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?"
Jesus underscores the importance of daily self-denial and commitment to following Him. The phrase "be cast away" carries strong implications for the possibility of losing salvation. The warning against prioritizing worldly gain over eternal life reinforces the conditional nature of salvation.​

John


While the Gospel of John emphasizes faith as the means by which believers receive eternal life, it also highlights the necessity of remaining in Christ to maintain that life.

John 15:6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
In this metaphor, Jesus compares Himself to the vine and His followers to the branches. Those who do not remain connected to Him are cast out and burned. This is a clear indication that salvation is not guaranteed unconditionally; if one fails to abide in Christ, they risk being "cut off" and losing their salvation.​
Rev 3:3 Remember, then, what you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know the hour when I will come upon you.​
4 But you do have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments, and because they are worthy, they will walk with Me in white.​
5 Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.​
6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.​
This verse directly implies that names can indeed be "blotted out" of the Book of Life if one fails to overcome. The act of "overcoming" suggests active perseverance in faith, and the warning that one’s name can be erased reinforces the conditional nature of salvation.​

Conditional Clauses and Warnings in the New Testament


The New Testament is filled with numerous "if" statements, emphasizing the conditional nature of salvation. These conditional clauses serve as a reminder that salvation requires ongoing commitment to faith, obedience, and the teachings of Christ.

  1. Colossians 1:22-23: "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel..."
    • Paul stresses the necessity of remaining steadfast in the faith. "If" here is a clear condition: salvation is contingent on continued faithfulness.
  2. Hebrews 3:14: "For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end..."
    • Again, the idea that salvation is tied to perseverance is clear. One must "hold fast" to their confidence in Christ, not allowing doubt or sin to cause them to fall away.
  3. Romans 11:22: "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
    • The apostle Paul warns the Romans of the possibility of being "cut off" from God's grace if they do not continue in His goodness. This speaks to the conditional nature of salvation, wherein it is possible to "fall" from grace if one does not remain faithful.

Conclusion: Salvation is Conditional


The cumulative testimony of the Gospels, the writings of Paul, and the broader New Testament paints a clear picture: salvation is not unconditionally guaranteed. Rather, it is contingent upon continued faith, obedience, and perseverance. Believers are warned repeatedly about the dangers of falling away, being "cut off," or having their names "blotted out" from the Book of Life. The warnings in Scripture serve as both a reminder and a call to remain steadfast in faith and to live in accordance with God's will.

According to the teachings of Jesus and His original disciples, salvation can indeed be lost if a believer fails to endure in faith and obedience. It is not enough to start the journey of faith; one must also persevere to the end.
 

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Can Salvation Be Lost?


The question of whether salvation is irrevocable or can be lost is a subject of intense theological debate that has been explored throughout Christian history. Within the context of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, particularly through the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, as well as the teachings of the apostles, there is a wealth of evidence suggesting that salvation is not automatically guaranteed for all believers. Rather, it is conditional upon ongoing faith, obedience, and perseverance, and can be forfeited if one fails to remain faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The unavoidable implication of what you've written here is that you, the "saved" person, is a co-Savior with Jesus. But this is impossible. You would have to be as Christ is, perfect and infinite, in order to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him as a co-Savior. But you have to be saved by Jesus precisely because you aren't perfect or infinite and cannot, therefore, save yourself (Ro. 5:6-10; Tit. 3:3-5; Eph. 2:1-3). In fact, elevating yourself to position of co-Savior with Jesus is a kind of blasphemy, requiring that Jesus be diminished in the efficacy of his atoning work on the cross, and that you be enlarged in your ability to contribute to what only Jesus could do as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1:29).

When, then, you take up the responsibility (and the power) to keep yourself saved, you deny both the completeness and power of Christ's salvific work at Calvary. To think you must exert yourself to retain his salvation of you is to necessarily indicate that his saving work was insufficient, it was incomplete, and so, cannot keep you saved. In order for it to be complete, to be fully efficacious, you must add your own "faith, obedience, and perseverance" to Christ's atonement on the cross. But nowhere does Scripture ever indicate this but, instead, confirms again and again, that Christ's atonement on the cross was perfect, once for all, entirely satisfying God's holy justice and needing no further contribution from us (He. 7-10:22; Ro. 5; 1 Pe. 1:1-8).

Key Gospel Passages Indicating Salvation Can Be Lost

Matthew

  1. Matthew 6:15: "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
    • This verse presents a direct conditionality. Jesus teaches that God’s forgiveness, which is closely tied to salvation, depends upon the believer’s willingness to forgive others. If a person refuses to forgive, God will not forgive them, and thus their salvation may be jeopardized. This conditional forgiveness underscores the idea that salvation can be forfeited by failing to live out the core principles of the Christian faith, such as mercy and forgiveness.
  2. Matthew 10:22: "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
    • Here, salvation is explicitly connected to enduring in faith "to the end." This implies that salvation is not a one-time, irrevocable event but is contingent upon perseverance. The very need to "endure to the end" suggests the possibility of falling away before reaching the final destination, thereby forfeiting one’s salvation.
  3. Matthew 18:21-35(The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant):
    • In this parable, a servant who was initially forgiven a great debt by his master later refuses to forgive a fellow servant. As a result, the master rescinds his forgiveness, condemning the servant for his lack of mercy. This parable illustrates that forgiveness—and by extension, salvation—can be lost through unrepentant or sinful actions after receiving God’s grace.

All of these passages were issued to Jews under the Old Covenant and thus according to the standards and means therein. For example, nowhere in the entire Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7 does Jesus ever speak of his atoning, reconciling, justifying work at Calvary, the indwelling and empowering Holy Spirit, or direct, personal adoption into God's family. He just sets out an impossible standard for the Old Covenant Jews, one they already knew they could never achieve, preparing them for the "new and living way" he would accomplish through himself at the cross. So its a non-starter to use the passages you have above as grounds for your works-salvation error. This is particularly evident in light of what Jesus said to the Twelve (or eleven, actually) in John 15:4-5. Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ (Ro. 8:9), no one can do anything - certainly not fulfill Matthew 5:48, which is the standard God has set out for all who would be His own.

I haven't time right now to deal with the rest of your post, but it suffers from similar issues of interpretation.