Messiah 2030

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

What are we playing, scripture tag? You don't think you need to address what He said in Matthew 24:42-44 where He told believers that they do not know the day or hour, but need to be ready for it? Do you accept what He said there or not? Those who are not watching will experience His wrath because they will not be ready. He was not implying that believers know what hour He will come because that would contradict what He said in Matthew 24:42-44. So, how about you address what He said there instead of ignoring it?

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

[ScottA]

Who is thee in the passage?

"Thee" is John in the passage. However, the passage is not only about John.

In other words, under the context of revelation to the churches, John's experience of salvation is an example, which was to John as an individual--not as a massive group. Which was given to John to be a part of his witness and revelation from the First and the Last.

 

[The Light]

Switching gears, very, very, very, very few Christians understand that there are two raptures. The Church will be the first rapture, the grain harvest. The second rapture will be the fruit harvest. This rapture will be the 12 tribes across the earth. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. Those acceptable first fruits redeemed from the earth guarantee a harvest.

The fig tree generation will not pass away until all the things that Jesus said in Matthew 24 occurs.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Psalms 90 says a generation of strength is 4 score or 80 years

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. If we take 80 years and add to 1948 that would be the year 2028.................and they fly away.

This fits the timeline perfectly.

 

[The Light]

Regarding the 7-year covenant with many that was made in September of 2023. It has not been confirmed by the Antichrist so there is certainly no proof that this is the 7-year covenant of Daniel 9.

That said, it is a 7-year covenant with many.

And Israel was attacked on October 7, 2023.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Switching gears, very, very, very, very few Christians understand that there are two raptures. The Church will be the first rapture, the grain harvest. The second rapture will be the fruit harvest. This rapture will be the 12 tribes across the earth. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. Those acceptable first fruits redeemed from the earth guarantee a harvest.

The fig tree generation will not pass away until all the things that Jesus said in Matthew 24 occurs.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Psalms 90 says a generation of strength is 4 score or 80 years

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. If we take 80 years and add to 1948 that would be the year 2028.................and they fly away.

This fits the timeline perfectly.

Yes
Both are going to happen.
But amils and postribbers need the 144k to be some other entity than what Jesus declares.
So then, at that point, Roman 11 must also dissappear or be reframed.

...which , at that point, we need 10 or 20 more verses to be tortured to fit some made up baloney.
Not even a hydrogen bomb could pry their white knuckles off that mess.

 

[rebuilder 454]

"Thee" is John in the passage. However, the passage is not only about John.

In other words, under the context of revelation to the churches, John's experience of salvation is an example, which was to John as an individual--not as a massive group. Which was given to John to be a part of his witness and revelation from the First and the Last.

Huh ?????
3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Nothing there points to John.
Zero.

"To the angel of the church...."

That's like telling the court stenographer she also is going to jail.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

very few Christians understand that there are two raptures

Actually there are numerous raptures mentioned in God's Word, some were under the old testament

And at least one time Jesus and His disciples were raptured instantly from one side of the lake to the other

Rapture being defined as catching away or to be instantly snatched away from one place to another.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Switching gears, very, very, very, very few Christians understand that there are two raptures. The Church will be the first rapture, the grain harvest. The second rapture will be the fruit harvest. This rapture will be the 12 tribes across the earth. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. Those acceptable first fruits redeemed from the earth guarantee a harvest.

The fig tree generation will not pass away until all the things that Jesus said in Matthew 24 occurs.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Psalms 90 says a generation of strength is 4 score or 80 years

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. If we take 80 years and add to 1948 that would be the year 2028.................and they fly away.

This fits the timeline perfectly.

Why are you twisting scripture like this? Psalm 90 does not say that a generation is 80 years. That's talking about the average human life span. The word generation is not in that verse. A generation is not the human life span. You are making up your own definition for the word generation that doesn't exist. A generation is the average time that children grow up to be an adult and then has their own kids, which is generally considered to be 30 or 40 years.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

A generation is the average time that children grow up to be an adult and then has their own kids, which is generally considered to be 30 or 40 years.

Chapter and verse for this claim?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Chapter and verse for this claim?

I'm going by how the word generation is defined in the dictionary. It is never defined as the average human life span.

Here are the definitions of the word "generation" from Webster's dictionary, none of which are the average human life span:

generation (noun):

1
a: a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor
b: a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously - the younger generation
c: a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (such as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period
d: a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type - first of the … new generation of powerful supersonic fighters

2
a: the action or process of producing offspring : procreation
b: the process of coming or bringing into being - generation of income
c: origination by a generating process : production especially : formation of a geometric figure by motion of another

3: the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I'm going by how the word generation is defined in the dictionary

OK so you cannot prove what you are saying from the Lord's point of view in scripture. Got it.

You should be careful to follow the wisdom of the Lord and discard the wisdom of man

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

OK so you cannot prove what you are saying from the Lord's point of view in scripture. Got it.

You should be careful to follow the wisdom of the Lord and discard the wisdom of man

Show me the scripture which states that the word generation refers to the average life span.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Show me the scripture which states that the word generation refers to the average life span.

You are the one throwing out what you think a generation is without God's Word.

I don't care one way or the other as I'll continue abiding in the Lord and spend eternity with Him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are the one throwing out what you think a generation is without God's Word.

Do the English definitions of the English words we are reading in our Bible that were translated into English mean nothing to you? Why do you or anyone else think you can make up a definition for that word which does not exist in any dictionary? The word is translated from the Greek word "genea" and no definition for that word means the average human life span, either. Why do people think it's okay to just make things up in order to support their doctrines?

I don't care one way or the other as I'll continue abiding in the Lord and spend eternity with Him.

Apparently, you do care one way or the other or else you would not be talking about this.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Apparently, you do care one way or the other or else you would not be talking about this.

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

But feel free to go by what man thinks if that's your thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was pointing out that we should get our definitions from Lord not from what man thinks.

But feel free to go by what man thinks if that's your thing.

Where do you see the Lord defining the word generation as the average human life span? You won't find that in scripture. Did He tell you this Himself? Why do you think you can just make up definitions for words? If that was acceptable, then we could make scripture say anything we want it to say.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Where do you see the Lord defining the word generation as the average human life span?

You are the one throwing out what you think a generation is without God's Word.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are the one throwing out what you think a generation is without God's Word.

Show me where God's Word says a generation is the human life span and we can be done with this. But, you can't do it because you think it's okay to just make things up and make God's Word say whatever you want it to say.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Show me where God's Word says a generation is the human life span and we can be done with this. But, you can't do it because you think it's okay to just make things up and make God's Word say whatever you want it to say.

You must have forgot that you were the one telling people what a generation is, not me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You must have forgot that you were the one telling people what a generation is, not me.

It's not the average human life span. No dictionary ever defines the word that way and scripture never does. But, go ahead and believe that if you want to just make scripture say whatever you want it to say.