What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Scott Downey]

Undoubtedly parts of Revelation are symbolic.
About no more sea, the angel explains,

Revelation 1
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying [a]to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

Revelation 17:15
Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

So that political sea of the peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues is all done away with.
Not a literal sea is how I read this, You can think differently.

Revelation 21:1
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, a Bible student who has searched out this matter and found what is truth.

Your truth denies the existence of a spiritual entity of evil called the devil, Satan.

 

[Davy]

You think the sea will disappear in the Kingdom age? You're joking with me right?

Nope, No Joke. It is written.

Have you never read Genesis 1:6-10 when God formed today's sky atmosphere around the earth by moving 'some' of the waters overspread upon the earth up into the sky, leaving the rest of the waters on earth that formed today's seas?

At Genesis 1:2 there were waters of a flood overspread upon the whole earth. At Genesis 1:6 God started moving them around.

But some... folks, sadly, believe God doing that is but a myth, like the Genesis creation account is all just poetry, allegorical and the like, and not literal. Those folks don't understand God's Power.

 

[Davy]

And the woman clothed with the sun? Literal as well (hehe)?

Hey, you are going out on a Biblical illiterate limb by trying to use the above idea in conjunction with the no more sea idea. One is literal, the other one ain't.

Of course there are allegories, parables, idioms and expressions also written in God's Word. But it is utterly stupid to try and use an allegory given in God's Word to prove some other topic that is meant literally is just symbolism also. If that were true, then NO ONE could understand how to understand God's written Word, and how His Word is actually meant.

So already, there are more brethren here that can tell YOU things written in God's Word that YOU would have a hard time believing, than things you could reveal to us.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your truth denies the existence of a spiritual entity of evil called the devil, Satan.

That's why its truth

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hey, you are going out on a Biblical illiterate limb by trying to use the above idea in conjunction with the no more sea idea. One is literal, the other one ain't.

Of course there are allegories, parables, idioms and expressions also written in God's Word. But it is utterly stupid to try and use an allegory given in God's Word to prove some other topic that is meant literally is just symbolism also. If that were true, then NO ONE could understand how to understand God's written Word, and how His Word is actually meant.

So already, there are more brethren here that can tell YOU things written in God's Word that YOU would have a hard time believing, than things you could reveal to us.

A lot of words there Davy

 

[Hiddenthings]

Nope, No Joke. It is written.

Have you never read Genesis 1:6-10 when God formed today's sky atmosphere around the earth by moving 'some' of the waters overspread upon the earth up into the sky, leaving the rest of the waters on earth that formed today's seas?

At Genesis 1:2 there were waters of a flood overspread upon the whole earth. At Genesis 1:6 God started moving them around.

But some... folks, sadly, believe God doing that is but a myth, like the Genesis creation account is all just poetry, allegorical and the like, and not literal. Those folks don't understand God's Power.

What does the Sea represent Davy?

@Marilyn C @Scott Downey

This is not difficult peoples!

I saw something like a sea of glass Re 15:2

"But the wicked are like the tossing sea; for it cannot be quiet, and its waters toss up mire and dirt. There is no peace,” says my God, “for the wicked.” Isaiah 57:20–21

Here I'll give you another clue! A much larger clue!

“The waters you saw (where the prostitute is seated) are peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages. Re 17:15.

So why in the third Heaven and Earth Period would it say there is no more Sea?

If you all can't piece this together there is something seriously wrong with your comprehension - this is one of the easiest symbols to unlock in the Revelation.

Please someone @VictoryinJesus provide the interpretation.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So why in the third Heaven and Earth Period would it say there is no more Sea?

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro(like a sea), and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
no more sea is a good thing, Imo. when there becomes a point that we be No more children, tossed to and fro. No longer carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness then there is “no more sea” ? A sea of glass is still? Calm.



Other verses pertaining to sea.
James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. [6] But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Words that stand out in the Word to me concerning the sea: drowning men in perdition, tossed to and fro, unstable, every wind of doctrine, foaming out their shame (like the man Jesus help that was tossed back and forth between the two: Fire and Water(significant I think). foaming no longer just a word when foaming describes shame.) being swept away, caught up in the sea. A flood cast out
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Jude 1:12-13 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withered, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [13] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

That is the best I have, but to me it fits even for today. It’s hard to ignore there is a tossing to and fro by every wind of doctrine even today. To the point where no one agrees with each other, but everyone is right in their own mind. But there is supposed to be a time you(we) be no more children but men…as Paul spoke of children who were still yet carnal, warning of the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive..

 

[Hiddenthings]

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro(like a sea), and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
no more sea is a good thing, Imo. when there becomes a point that we be No more children, tossed to and fro. No longer carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness then there is “no more sea” ? A sea of glass is still? Calm.



Other verses pertaining to sea.
James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. [6] But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Words that stand out in the Word to me concerning the sea: drowning men in perdition, tossed to and fro, unstable, every wind of doctrine, foaming out their shame (like the man Jesus help that was tossed back and forth between the two: Fire and Water(significant I think). foaming no longer just a word when foaming describes shame.) being swept away, caught up in the sea. A flood cast out
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Jude 1:12-13 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withered, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [13] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

That is the best I have, but to me it fits even for today. It’s hard to ignore there is a tossing to and fro by every wind of doctrine even today. To the point where no one agrees with each other, but everyone is right in their own mind. But there is supposed to be a time you(we) be no more children but men…as Paul spoke of children who were still yet carnal, warning of the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive..

A lot of truth in here Victory!

It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

There will be no more sin and death-stricken “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Rev. 17:15), as “a full end” will come to all nations except Israel (Jer 30:11). In biblical symbolism, the sea of nations is depicted in various states: first, turbulent and stormy, casting up mire and dirt (Isa. 57:20); second, at peace after being purified by the fiery judgments of Armageddon (Rev. 15:2); third, calm and cleansed, with all impurities removed, described as “clear as crystal” (Rev. 4:6); and finally, entirely gone, when independent national identities cease, leaving only an immortal Israel standing alone.

It’s astonishing that some genuinely believe the earth will literally be without oceans.

If they struggle to discern even the most basic symbols in Revelation, how much more clouded must their understanding be when it comes to the Lord’s final words to His disciples?

@Marilyn C

Victory was able to discern the symbol...you?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

There will be no more sin and death-stricken “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Rev. 17:15), as “a full end” will come to all nations except Israel (Jer 30:11). In biblical symbolism, the sea of nations is depicted in various states: first, turbulent and stormy, casting up mire and dirt (Isa. 57:20); second, at peace after being purified by the fiery judgments of Armageddon (Rev. 15:2); third, calm and cleansed, with all impurities removed, described as “clear as crystal” (Rev. 4:6); and finally, entirely gone, when independent national identities cease, leaving only an immortal Israel standing alone.

Amazing the transformation. Love, ‘… and finally, entirely gone.’ No more sea. ‘It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

There will be no more sin and death-stricken “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Rev. 17:15)’ Wow. It’s better than fables. Why do we fear letting go of them, for far better than what we fight to hold onto.

 

[ewq1938]

Amazing the transformation. Love, ‘… and finally, entirely gone.’ No more sea. ‘It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

Except there are nations existing in the NHNE so "no more sea" does not mean that.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.



No more sea means exactly what it says, there will not be sea anymore. Rev 21 declares other literal truths like no more death or tears also, both as literal as no sea.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Amazing the transformation. Love, ‘… and finally, entirely gone.’ No more sea. ‘It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

There will be no more sin and death-stricken “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Rev. 17:15)’ Wow. It’s better than fables. Why do we fear letting go of them, for far better than what we fight to hold onto.

Correct.

The Third Heaven and Earth period will replace the Kingdom which Christ reigns over!

There is so much more in Revelation 21 which people here would know little to nothing about.

So sad.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Except there are nations existing in the NHNE so "no more sea" does not mean that.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.



No more sea means exactly what it says, there will not be sea anymore. Rev 21 declares other literal truths like no more death or tears also, both as literal as no sea.

You resist to your own hurt

There are nations that will be incorporated into the Kingdom of God, and others that will be destroyed (Isa 60:3,12; Dan. 7:11-12).

In the end no more sea - understand?

 

[Hiddenthings]

It's just incomprehensible that you cannot see how the sea (nations) relates to New Jerusalem (Kingdom of God).

 

[Hiddenthings]

@VictoryinJesus

In Rev 21:24 it is said, "The kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it"

Who are these Kings?

 

[ewq1938]

You resist to your own hurt

There are nations that will be incorporated into the Kingdom of God, and others that will be destroyed (Isa 60:3,12; Dan. 7:11-12).

In the end no more sea - understand?

When it says no more sea, it means it literally as it does when it also says no more death and tears etc. Do you understand?

 

[Hiddenthings]

When it says no more sea, it means it literally as it does when it also says no more death and tears etc. Do you understand?

No, you don't understand the symbol and it's clear you think there's a problem with the oceans?

It's your pride speaking now!

 

[Marilyn C]

A lot of truth in here Victory!

It simply means that when God is all and in all there will be no more nations in the earth.

There will be no more sin and death-stricken “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Rev. 17:15), as “a full end” will come to all nations except Israel (Jer 30:11). In biblical symbolism, the sea of nations is depicted in various states: first, turbulent and stormy, casting up mire and dirt (Isa. 57:20); second, at peace after being purified by the fiery judgments of Armageddon (Rev. 15:2); third, calm and cleansed, with all impurities removed, described as “clear as crystal” (Rev. 4:6); and finally, entirely gone, when independent national identities cease, leaving only an immortal Israel standing alone.

It’s astonishing that some genuinely believe the earth will literally be without oceans.

If they struggle to discern even the most basic symbols in Revelation, how much more clouded must their understanding be when it comes to the Lord’s final words to His disciples?

@Marilyn C

Victory was able to discern the symbol...you?

Mmmm `And I saw a new heavens and new earth......And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light...` (Rev. 21: 1 & 24)

 

[Hiddenthings]

Mmmm `And I saw a new heavens and new earth......And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light...` (Rev. 21: 1 & 24)

Correct can you see the symbol of the Seas being no more? The nations which are left come into the KoG and are no more!

 

[ewq1938]

Mmmm `And I saw a new heavens and new earth......And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light...` (Rev. 21: 1 & 24)

Yep, so much for the theory that "no more sea" means no nations.

The problem is Rev has symbolic language, but also literal language and turning literal language into symbolic is a big issue.