There is a complete end of unbelieving Israel, just as there is a complete end of all unbelieving nations.
Oh yes, gotta play the "pastor" card eh?
When I need to. This is one of those times.
The Iran situation
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There is a complete end of unbelieving Israel, just as there is a complete end of all unbelieving nations.
When I need to. This is one of those times.
Big Boy Johnson
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No you know that is not scriptural to be worried right?
You might want to NOT be walking in fear and abide in Christ instead and be like Jesus
He ain't worried about nothing! He knows in the end that God and His people have victory!
We should have the same confidence Jesus has.
You would call what's left The Kingdom of God?
Does what's left over look like what Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God should be like?
You think Iran would stop at Israel?
Good people (such as yourself) are too good.
You have a neighbor that harms all the neighbors....the enemy.
One day you could decide if HE dies or YOU die.
By your own words you've stated that you would pick yourself.
Great choice.
Now YOU'RE gone - your family and neighbors are still here...
and the enemy keeps harming the neighbors, including your family that you left behind.
Also, have you noticed that no country is coming to the aid of Iran?
Have you noticed that no country wants the "Palestinians"?
Israel is criticized for not providing more aid....
why doesn't Egypt provide some aid?
§Why don't they let those poor Palestinians in?
I believe they're even of the same faith.
I'd love peace...just like @Rivan would.
But it's not the peace lovers that create war....
it's those that cannot mind their own business and have evil intentions that create war.
Sounds good Big Boy.
But we're not in heaven yet.
I have a family I think about.
I'd like to see the young ones grow up in some kind of decent and civil world.
It's also scriptural to love my enemy.
But I don't. Enemies give grief.
No harm wished on them.
But love....yeah, the type Jesus means...OK.
But the love one feels in their heart?
Hmmm. I don't think so.
Big Boy Johnson
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Did I saw we were?
Feel free to be in fear. But understand, that is sinful to walk in fear.
The fearful will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind
Forgive, pray for them and move on.
If they don't repent, that's not on you.
So relax and abide in Jesus and quit worrying!
You cannot fix the world and all the Lord expects of you is to do what He leads you to do.
Netanyahu has been saying this since the 80's. He also said in 2003, that if we invade Iraq and topple Saddam, we will be treated as liberators, and the Middle East will be changed forever. Well, it did change, but for the worse. Much worse.
No. But I do want a change in management.
Yes. Those are the people whom the Messiah and the saints will be ruling over.
Restoration will happen when the Messiah and the saints are ruling on the earth.
No.
I’m nothing more than a disciple and minister of the Messiah.
Thank you.
You’ve established a possible scenario for my consideration.
Only if God himself allows that to happen. Whether I’m here or not, God is.
My neighbors and my family have a choice to make. Before my demise, I’ve pleaded with them to choose martyrdom over the way of the world. Neither before nor after my death can I make their decision for them.
No. Iran has friends in the world who have been assisting them. Even the United States has assisted Iran.
Many nations want the Palestinians to have their own nation.
What we’re dealing with is spiritual wickedness, and that is the way of the world.
There will be no peace until the Messiah returns. @Riven isn’t interested in that. Do you think he’s coming back to the earth to reign on his father David’s throne in Jerusalem?
Many “peace lovers” have created war.
That’s the nations of the world. No nation of the world is exempt from it.
Wow. And I'M called a legalist !!
As to Rev 21:8
Find out what FEARFUL means.
Do you think that if I'm afraid of something I'll be going straight to hell?
Big Boy Johnson
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Well keep on being in fear, worry, anxiety etc and see if that helps
That's not going to happen until Jesus returns and takes over management of the entire world.
Until then we will continue to see darkness rule.
We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:
Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him
And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Big Boy Johnson
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Feel free to argue with Jesus about it.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind
That’s a two-way spiritual problem.
Employing weapons on enemies always inflicts harm on them. We learn from those who have done so that it also harms those who employ the weapons.
Complicated subject matter.
Did you ever read Lord of the Flies?
If the good do nothing....
the evil will rule.
Or
As Edmund Burke would say:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Or
As Jesus would say.
Be gentile as doves and wise as serpents.
And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
Big Boy Johnson
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If it's a sin to have a deadly weapon then are you accusing Jesus of committing sin when He told them to get a sword the second time He sent His disciples out. (Luke 22:36) ?
Self defense is not a sin and it brings harm to the evil ones to stop the evil.
Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
What's going on against Iran right now is authorized under Romans 13:4
Likewise, Fran.
Absolutely. I'll be one of them, too. I played plenty of Fallout video games growing up. I know how to survive in the wasteland. :)
BB
Rev 21:8
Means that we are not to be cowards but are to do what we believe God would have us to do in a situation.
2 Timothy 1:7
God wants us to be share His gifts to us...to be bold in proclaiming our faith.
We can thank the devil for that.
Yes.
The good must do something, but within the framework of the Messiah’s teaching / commandment regarding how his disciples are to respond to the rule of evil.
Yes.
For what purpose? Jesus himself goes on to say.
Could you please share your well-gained knowledge?Likewise, Fran.
Absolutely. I'll be one of them, too. I played plenty of Fallout video games growing up. I know how to survive in the wasteland. :)
Rockerduck
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The wasteland will be restored. I really do hope and pray you will be there. If you are and you haven’t become a disciple of the Messiah, you’re the kind of person that I’m looking forward to reigning over.
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