The Iran situation

[JohnDB]

Well, here we are again about to embark on yet another misadventure in this stupid desert that can never just be peaceful.

I think that President Trump should keep us out of the war. Netanyahu attacked the nation of Iran while negotiations between Iran and the US were still ongoing.

His intentions are obvious. He wishes to drag the United States into a wider conflict in the Middle East. And like clockwork, the Christian evangelicals are completely onboard for what could turn into another world war if other powers get involved, which they most likely will.

It's terribly disappointing to see this level of stupidity and ignorance. One would think you people would have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq, but no. No lessons were learned, and we're just gonna do it all again.

While you are recovering from your severe case of TDS....
Trump and the sane portion of America (indeed most of the world) are concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons.

Currently Israel is doing a good job and we won't need to involve ourselves unless we absolutely have to.

We can't allow the religious idiots remain in power in Iran.

We cannot allow any religious/terrorist organizations to be in leadership of Iran.

We cannot allow them to be able to quickly restart/restore their nuclear ambitions in Iran. (They sell too many to their proxies)

And if all three above goals are met....we are at a historic period where the Middle East can normalize into a peaceful area. Where prosperity will exist again. Might be an occasional grumbling....but oil, wool, saffron, and tourism will once again flow. Wouldn't that be nice. Iranian people (for the most part) are nice as can be. Very much Caste based with their heritage. But otherwise fairly normal.

The US is only going to step in if we absolutely need to in order to accomplish those goals.
Where Trump is a bit disingenuous is in his offer for peace with Israel and Iran. He knows they definitely are not going to take the offer. That would mean recognizing Israel as a nation (surrender)....and making the prophet Mohammed a false prophet. Mullahs won't do that. They won't have a religion after that.
So where I chuckle at the disingenuousness of his offer....the same result still is moving forward.

 

[Matthias]

“The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed.”

(Tertullian, Apology, Chapter 50)

Let’s consider for a moment what Tertullian didn’t write:

The oftener we [mow down our enemies], the more in number we grow; the blood [on the hands] of Christians [which comes from killing our enemies] is seed.

The church led by the Messiah doesn't grow from killing its enemies. A church that kills its enemies is a church that has been overcome, conquered by - and thereby has become - its enemy.

 

[bdavidc]

Again, the negotiations were ongoing, and he knew full well that Israel couldn't finish the job on it's own. He needs the United States to enter the war in a timely manner. No doubt the Israel lobby is putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the administration to act.

Israel does not need the United States in order to survive. They have the one ally that matters most, God Himself. Throughout Scripture, God has made it clear that He is the protector and defender of Israel. “He that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep” (Psalm 121:4). That does not mean we should ignore them. As their ally, we should help where we can. But let’s not forget, every time a nation has blessed Israel, God has honored that. “I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee” (Genesis 12:3). It is in our own interest to stand with them, not because they are helpless, but because helping Israel aligns us with the will of God. Israel may face opposition, but they have survived every enemy that has ever tried to wipe them out, not because of human strength, but because of divine protection. Let the world pressure leaders all they want, at the end of the day, God's hand is the only one that determines the outcome.

 

[bdavidc]

I didn't condemn Christianity as a whole. I condemned the Christians that seem to have rejected Christ's teachings, and appear to have a thirst for war. You'd think Christians would be calling for a ceasefire, but they're not. Ironically, that call is coming from Russia and China. Lol.

You said you're not condemning Christianity, just the Christians who aren't calling for a ceasefire. But respectfully, that's not how the Bible defines following Christ. Jesus never said His followers are required to call for peace in every situation. In fact, He said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Truth causes division, and standing for what is right sometimes means confronting evil, not ignoring it.

The Bible says there is a time for war and a time for peace (Ecclesiastes 3:8). Governments are given the sword by God to restrain evil (Romans 13:4). Supporting Israel's right to defend itself or resisting terrorism is not rejecting Christ’s teachings. Christians are not commanded to be pacifists, they are called to love what is good and hate what is evil (Romans 12:9).

Also, lifting up Russia and China as moral voices because they say "ceasefire" while they commit their own acts of oppression is not righteous. Proverbs 17:15 says, “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.” Ceasefires without justice can enable more evil, not stop it.

So no, it's not biblical to claim Christians are rejecting Christ just because they support defending the innocent. Peace matters, but truth and justice come first. Christ did not call us to hide from conflict, He called us to stand for what is right, even when it costs us.

 

[Matthias]

@Riven. The nation of Israel has rejected Jesus. Unbelieving Israel has been gathered for the approaching time of Jacob’s trouble. They’re in deep trouble before accepting Jesus.

Unbelieving Israel is doing what unbelieving Israel has always done - sought alliance with other nations of the world. It has worked in the short term (because God has allowed it) but it never works in the long term.

 

[Matthias]

* The stiff-necked nation of Israel is, at some point, going to finally learn that lesson once and for all the hard way. So will all of the other nations of the world. *

 

[Riven]

While you are recovering from your severe case of TDS....
Trump and the sane portion of America (indeed most of the world) are concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons.

Currently Israel is doing a good job and we won't need to involve ourselves unless we absolutely have to.

We can't allow the religious idiots remain in power in Iran.

We cannot allow any religious/terrorist organizations to be in leadership of Iran.

We cannot allow them to be able to quickly restart/restore their nuclear ambitions in Iran. (They sell too many to their proxies)

And if all three above goals are met....we are at a historic period where the Middle East can normalize into a peaceful area. Where prosperity will exist again. Might be an occasional grumbling....but oil, wool, saffron, and tourism will once again flow. Wouldn't that be nice. Iranian people (for the most part) are nice as can be. Very much Caste based with their heritage. But otherwise fairly normal.

The US is only going to step in if we absolutely need to in order to accomplish those goals.
Where Trump is a bit disingenuous is in his offer for peace with Israel and Iran. He knows they definitely are not going to take the offer. That would mean recognizing Israel as a nation (surrender)....and making the prophet Mohammed a false prophet. Mullahs won't do that. They won't have a religion after that.
So where I chuckle at the disingenuousness of his offer....the same result still is moving forward.

We're all concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons. But Israel started a fight it can't win. That's why it's begging the US to join the war and provide the necessary ground forces. An air campaign alone will not topple a regime. We learned this in 1990 and 2003.

I voted for Trump. It isn't TDS to realize that this is going to be an absolute disaster for the United States, and could very well turn into world war of other countries get involved. Then we're looking at a possible nuclear war between major powers and that'll be the end of all things.

 

[Rockerduck]

We're all concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons. But Israel started a fight it can't win. That's why it's begging the US to join the war and provide the necessary ground forces. An air campaign alone will not topple a regime. We learned this in 1990 and 2003.

I voted for Trump. It isn't TDS to realize that this is going to be an absolute disaster for the United States, and could very well turn into world war of other countries get involved. Then we're looking at a possible nuclear war between major powers and that'll be the end of all things.

Oct. 7th was a coordinated attack on Israel. First Gazans, then Lebanon, then Iran shot over 1000 missiles on Israel. The "attack" you say that Israel put on Iran was an extension of the same act of war declared on Israel by Iran. Iran never stopped shooting missiles at Israel since Oct. 7. Then the Somalis' started launching missiles on Israel, USA took out the Somali's. You forgot some history and jumped to a conclusion.

 

[Matthias]

The end of the present age doesn’t come about due to a nuclear war - a nuclear war which appears to be at some point (maybe soon, maybe not) certain to happen. It comes about with the return of the Messiah to reign on the earth from the throne of the Jewish monarchy / the throne of God in Jerusalem.Those who belong to him will reign of the earth with him. That is the kingdom plan.

The nations / kingdoms of the world will at some point yet future become the nation / kingdom of God on the earth.

Though Satan and the demons are giving it a go, no one and nothing will thwart the establishment of the messianic kingdom on the earth. What the prophets in ancient times prophesied will come to pass. That is what I’m committed to, and looking for, as a primitive Christian.

 

[Matthias]

We're all concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons.

I’m not. The reason that I’m not is because I believe that the God of Israel - the one, only, unique and true God - is working behind the scenes.

I think you should consider the possibility / probability that God himself is allowing Iran to have them (if they do) for a reason.

But Israel started a fight it can't win. That's why it's begging the US to join the war and provide the necessary ground forces. An air campaign alone will not topple a regime. We learned this in 1990 and 2003.

I voted for Trump. It isn't TDS to realize that this is going to be an absolute disaster for the United States, and could very well turn into world war of other countries get involved. Then we're looking at a possible nuclear war between major powers and that'll be the end of all things.

The world is looking for a worldly solution. The world should be looking for God, for he is the only solution.

 

[2bme]

Well, here we are again about to embark on yet another misadventure in this stupid desert that can never just be peaceful.

I think that President Trump should keep us out of the war. Netanyahu attacked the nation of Iran while negotiations between Iran and the US were still ongoing.

His intentions are obvious. He wishes to drag the United States into a wider conflict in the Middle East. And like clockwork, the Christian evangelicals are completely onboard for what could turn into another world war if other powers get involved, which they most likely will.

It's terribly disappointing to see this level of stupidity and ignorance. One would think you people would have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq, but no. No lessons were learned, and we're just gonna do it all again.

"Belief's are doomed to repeat"

 

[Riven]

Oct. 7th was a coordinated attack on Israel. First Gazans, then Lebanon, then Iran shot over 1000 missiles on Israel. The "attack" you say that Israel put on Iran was an extension of the same act of war declared on Israel by Iran. Iran never stopped shooting missiles at Israel since Oct. 7. Then the Somalis' started launching missiles on Israel, USA took out the Somali's. You forgot some history and jumped to a conclusion.

Yes, but Israel and Iran were not engaged in a full scale war after October 7th. But they most certainly are now after this pre-emptive strike by Israel.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes, but Israel and Iran were not engaged in a full scale war after October 7th. But they most certainly are now after this pre-emptive strike by Israel.

Iran sowed a pre-emptive strike, and then Iran reaped a pre-emptive strike.

This is straight forward and easy to understand. If Israel does not take action to stop Iran from getting nukes, they will be destroyed.

You wouldn't want Israel to be destroyed would ya?

 

[Matthias]

Iran sowed a pre-emptive strike, and then Iran reaped a pre-emptive strike.

This is straight forward and easy to understand. If Israel does not take action to stop Iran from getting nukes, they will be destroyed.

You wouldn't want Israel to be destroyed would ya?

God wants the unbelieving nation of Israel to turn back to him. He will use the awful power of other nations of the world to bring that to pass. He’s done it before; he’s doing it again, and for the last time.

All of the unbelieving nations of the earth - including the nation of Israel - will be destroyed in the short term. All of the nations of the world - including Iran - will become the kingdom of God in the long term.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

He will use the awful power of other nations of the world to bring that to pass.

And yet, He keeps protecting Israel since 1948 preventing them from being destroyed again and again. Weird.

Iran is going down fast as Israel is destroying not only their ability to make war, but also destroying their primary source of income which is their oil and gas industry.

And the United States will be using those bunker busting bombs shortly to take out the last nuclear facility the Israel cannot take out with their current military capabilities so keep watching as the destruction of Iran continues to unfold.

This couldn't happen to a more deserving group of nutjob!

 

[GodsGrace]

No, two things can be true at the same time. He acted responsibly by disarming Iran. We all agree on that. But at the same time, he did this with a plan to drag the US into the war. He knows full well that any air campaign alone will not defeat Iran. He knows it will require a significant ground invasion force. The IDF already has it's hands full with Gaza.


He should have waited until the negotiations were over before strikimg Iran. He struck them during the negotiations in a cynical and calculated attempt to put pressure on President Trump to join the war. Bibi can't win the war on his own and he knows it.


No, it is stupidity, and it is their fault. Just the other day, Ted Cruz did an interview with Tucker Carlson, where he openly admitted that his staunch defense of Israel is based on biblical prophecy. I'm sorry, but for someone to say that in the 21st century, is so unbelievably stupid, I don't even know where to start. It's the sort of thing a theocratic government would say.


Again, the negotiations were ongoing, and he knew full well that Israel couldn't finish the job on it's own. He needs the United States to enter the war in a timely manner. No doubt the Israel lobby is putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the administration to act.

Hi Riven
Hope all is good.

I have to agree with @Big Boy Johnson and @bdavidc .

I hear some say that Iran was minding their own business and Israel dropped bombs on them.
The level of ignorance as what's happening with Israel is astounding to me.

I think Israel did themselves, and THE WORLD a favor by destroying Iran's nuclear capability.
We do not want a criminal nation...a rogue nation, as some call it and I agree, and one that does not think twice to support, both financially and morally, terrorists organizations....to be in possession of the bomb.

I'm very worried, but I see no alternative.

 

[GodsGrace]

God wants the unbelieving nation of Israel to turn back to him. He will use the awful power of other nations of the world to bring that to pass. He’s done it before; he’s doing it again, and for the last time.

All of the unbelieving nations of the earth - including the nation of Israel - will be destroyed in the short term. All of the nations of the world - including Iran - will become the kingdom of God in the long term.

Matthias...
NO SHORT TERM in a nuclear war.

 

[Matthias]

And yet, He keeps protecting Israel since 1948 preventing them from being destroyed again and again. Weird.

Not weird. The God of Israel has patiently been giving the nation time to repent of its unbelief and disobedience. The hammer is eventually going to drop on the nation of Israel, and a remnant will repent, return and obey the God of Israel.

You asked a retired pastor if he had ever read the book of Romans. The retired pastor is asking you to read and reread the books of the prophets.

 

[Matthias]

Matthias...
NO SHORT TERM in a nuclear war.

The earth will be greatly depopulated in the event of a nuclear war but there will be survivors. The Messiah and the saints will rule over what’s left of the nations in the kingdom of God on the earth.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The retired pastor is asking you to read and reread the prophets.

Yep and in the end Israel is never destroyed and they finally turn to the Lord right as Jesus returns and destroys Israel's enemies when all the nations gang up on her at once..

You asked a retired pastor if he had ever read Romans.

Oh yes, gotta play the "pastor" card eh?