OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Taken]

The "offering" mentioned in Heb 10:10 was not God offering anything to anyone.

So “you” say.
Gods Word says, God Offers man.
Man can Freely choose to TAKE Gods Offering… or Not.

Your Failure to Understand, the All Knowing God, Already Knows WHAT each man “Shall Choose” …
Does Not subjugate a mans FREEWILL to “Pick, Choose, Elect” the Lord God Almighty to BE, that mans God.

Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Deut 30:
[19] I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

1Chr 21:
[11] So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee
[12] Either …

Isa. 56:
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

I can NOT learn OR Understand OR CHOOSE your beliefs OR you God, FOR You….Nor Can YOU Choose “For Me”.

* I have Have Freely, HeartFully Chosen The Creator and Maker Lord God Almighty… AND Freely, HeartFully “NOTIFIED” The Lord God Almighty OF “MY Own Choosing, Election “OF Him”!
* It IS a Mutual ONE to ONE FOREVER “Agreement”…Arrangement”…”Relationship”…
The Lord God Almighty Chose Me and I Chose Him.

(Seems you are Befuddled, without Understanding, THAT a “Relationship” IS “Established” Between TWO, WHEN Each Freely Chooses the other!

I do NOT “Want For” that which I have Already Chosen AND Possess and ARE Sanctified, By, Through, Of the Lord God Almighty.


Phil 1
[22] But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.


“YOU” Do NOT possess “authority to Judge me or my Standing WITH and IN Christ the Lord God Almighty.”

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

So much for your prosperity gospel and “the meek and mild long haired hippy Jesus.”

Your words…you own them.
Ewee!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So much for your prosperity gospel

Did the Lord bless you with poverty?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you have confused me even more. Are you suggesting that John 3:16 is saying that God so loved everyone in the whole world including the Prince of this world "Satan" and traitors like Judas Iscariot and all those reprobates He killed in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and all those He killed with the world wide flood.

are you saying that you are more righteous than these people. more worthy? more honorable? Or do you believe as the word says there are non righteous not not one. that all have sinned and fall short. and that if we even stumble in one area. we are all guilty of the law.

Please clarify why you hold to this untenable, contradictory position. I get the sense it's out of fear of the awful truth.

I do not fear truth. the truth set me free.. it can set you free too

Yes the Lord Jesus Christ didn't come into the world to judge the world, during His time upon the earth. But He is coming back as a Man of War, with a legion of His Angels to wage war on the rulers of this world and their armies. He promised to kill billions of men, women, children and unborn children in their mothers womb.

Yes he is and he will

Nut first he came so he could offer everyone salvation.. That way when he dies come back and destroys them, and does cast them to hell. They can;t blame him, because he died for them also. they willfully rejected his gift. and deserve what they get

So much for your prosperity gospel and the meek and mild long haired hippy Jesus.

Have no idea what your talking about. I reject prosperity gospel.

But We all see you think you know it all.. so I am not sure until you repent you can understand what God said, let alone what others are saying

You claim that everyone has the opportunity (possibility) to make a decision, but God is against you.

Nope.

He said that none seek after Him and all have gone astray.

Yep. that is why he comes and draws people to himself.. and why NO ONE will have an excuse on judgment day

His Word also confirms that we are all born dead in our trespasses and sin,

Amen

as such we cannot make a decision to believe in Him.

Wrong

why do you doubt the power of God?

Our sin nature causes us to hate God and only love our sin sin and serve Satan.

lol. ok.. keep believing this

If God doesn't quicken us out of that state of death, then we remain dead forever as you rightly pointed out, thank you.

God is not going to quicken us while still under the penalty of sin.

1. John 3, in jesus words. He who does not believe is condemned already.. If I do not believe I am condemned. I am condemned because I am still dead in sin

John 5. 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Passing from death to life happens AFTER we see and believe. Just as Paul said in eph 1: 13 - 14
I am no longer under judgment because my Condemnation was removed (john 3, he who believes is not condemned)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But you're still using your faith as a work, so according to your private interpretation of the gospel.

It is the work of God I came to faith.

Your private interpretation catholic strawman is useless here. Give me a real biblical reason to show me wring

You were saved when you exercised your faith, so yes you believe you were saved by the faith that you already possessed as a personal attribute of yours.

No. I was offered salvation For it is By Grace I have been saved

God did not force it on me. He wanted me to freely recieve it.

I did not save myself by recieving the work of someone else.

But the awful truth is, you never had any faith at all. In fact you never had anything that God didn't give you to start with. Please put your pride down and humble yourself, if you confess you sin to the Lord He is faithful to forgive you and receive you as a son.

Pride is the sin, which separates man from God. As long as men rely on their faith to save them, they remain seperated from God. We have nothing to offer God, so we're entirely dependent on Him for salvation. That should humble us to the point where there is no room for any pride in our life.
I've heard many testimonies, where believers described a time when the reached the end of themselves and became entirely dependent upon God in all things.

Yet your pride in these last two posts are strong and clearly seen by all

Judge not lest you be judged. if your going to call someone out. Look in the mirror..

Judge your own pride before you falsly accuse someone else.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Did the Lord bless you with poverty?

Yes He did, and He used it to lead me to Himself. My story is the same as the prodigal son, I went out into the world and squandered my money on riotous living, then the Lord opened my eyes and blessed me beyond measure.

You can't appreciate wealth, until you have experienced hardship. God did it for a good reason

 

[Christian Soldier]

are you saying that you are more righteous than these people. more worthy? more honorable? Or do you believe as the word says there are non righteous not not one. that all have sinned and fall short. and that if we even stumble in one area. we are all guilty of the law.

I do not fear truth. the truth set me free.. it can set you free too

Yes he is and he will

Nut first he came so he could offer everyone salvation.. That way when he dies come back and destroys them, and does cast them to hell. They can;t blame him, because he died for them also. they willfully rejected his gift. and deserve what they get

Have no idea what your talking about. I reject prosperity gospel.

But We all see you think you know it all.. so I am not sure until you repent you can understand what God said, let alone what others are saying



Nope.

Yep. that is why he comes and draws people to himself.. and why NO ONE will have an excuse on judgment day

Amen

Wrong

why do you doubt the power of God?

lol. ok.. keep believing this

God is not going to quicken us while still under the penalty of sin.

1. John 3, in jesus words. He who does not believe is condemned already.. If I do not believe I am condemned. I am condemned because I am still dead in sin

John 5. 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Passing from death to life happens AFTER we see and believe. Just as Paul said in eph 1: 13 - 14
I am no longer under judgment because my Condemnation was removed (john 3, he who believes is not condemned)

I notice you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist them to make them fit other unrelated passages of scripture.

You try to accuse me of being self righteous, while I have always maintained that the Lords imputed His righteousness on me. So I have inherited His righteousness and I didn't become righteous as a result of exercising (my free will) which doesn't even exist.

There was no need to mention "there are no righteous, none who seek after the Lord, all have gone astray", as that applies to everyone who has ever been born. Yes I was one of them just as every other elect child of God was, but God saves His children and He will not save the Devils children, because He never intended to from the beginning.

I can see your theology is all messed up, it's not coherent nor is it consistent. It fundamentally flawed, I'm not suggesting that you're to blame for this. I would put the blame on your teacher/shepherd/minister/pastor etc. God will lead you to a faithful shepherd if you humbly ask him.

The Lord led me to a faithful shepherd, where I heard the awful truth and almost walked out during the first sermon. But I stayed and found that the more I listened, the more I realized how little I knew and what I thought I knew to be true was actually false.

Learning about the truth is bitter medicine for everyone, because it goes against our sin nature. Beware of false shepherds, who dress in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.

 

[Christian Soldier]

It is the work of God I came to faith.

Your private interpretation catholic strawman is useless here. Give me a real biblical reason to show me wring

No. I was offered salvation For it is By Grace I have been saved

God did not force it on me. He wanted me to freely recieve it.

I did not save myself by recieving the work of someone else.

Yet your pride in these last two posts are strong and clearly seen by all

Judge not lest you be judged. if your going to call someone out. Look in the mirror..

Judge your own pride before you falsly accuse someone else.

Are you now admitting that God gave you the gift of faith? or are you still holding on to the fallacy that you manufactured your own faith and exercised it to receive salvation?

No, you were never offered salvation. That's a heretic doctrine. God either saves a man or He leaves the man dead in his sin.

You make God sound like a hopeless door to door salesman, who is desperately trying to sell eternal paradise for fire, but the vast majority spit in His face and choose eternal torment in hell instead. Can you see how pathetic this heresy is. Why would God allow reprobate evil doers to spit in His face all day everyday, that doctrine is an abomination and I can't imagine how must wrath awaits to who push this demonic doctrine.

I never chose the Lord, He chose me while I was His enemy. I never would have come to Him, if He didn't draw me to Himself.
I tried to run and resist His calling but found that it was impossible, so I finally surrounded to Him and He added me to the body of Christ.

Can you explain why God chose to save me, and leave many of my friends who were also heard the gospel, in their sin and now many of them are either dead of drug overdoses and others have sunk into dep depravity where they can't even sit down and listen to the gospel message. They are on their way to hell and nothing can save them, if God doesn't directly intervene and work a miracle in them to open their spiritual eyes.

I also have a cousin, who is a highly intelligent, world renown professor of science and he is just as spiritually lost as those heroin addicts I just mentioned. It just goes to show that your high IQ score or talent doesn't help you if God doesn't draw you to Himself.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is the work of God I came to faith.

Your private interpretation catholic strawman is useless here. Give me a real biblical reason to show me wring

No. I was offered salvation For it is By Grace I have been saved

Absolutely. However, we must coopeate with that grace in otder to be saved (Matt. 23:37, 2 Cor. 6:1).

God did not force it on me. He wanted me to freely recieve it.

I did not save myself by recieving the work of someone else.

Exactly.
That grace only works with our acceptance - our cooperation . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Did the Lord bless you with poverty?

Poverty can absolutely be a blessing.
It is poverty that produces humility, whgich is necessary for us to approach God.

Prov. 21:13
Haughty eyes and a proud heart— the unplowed field of the wicked—produce sin.

James 4:10
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes He did

If you believe poverty is a blessing then why haven't you given all your stuff away and become homeless so you can be closer to the Lord?

So I have inherited His righteousness and I didn't become righteous as a result of exercising (my free will) which doesn't even exist.

Little do you know
You got that from the reformers which is false doctrine:

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

John 7:37
If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

John 5:40
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I can see your theology is all messed up

That's what reformed theology is, all messed up and FALSE

No, you were never offered salvation. That's a heretic doctrine. God either saves a man or He leaves the man dead in his sin.

That's doctrines of demons!

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Sadly many are blinded by the devil which is why not all are saved.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Calvinists never allow what God teaches in His Word to get in the way of what they believe!

Can you explain why God chose to save me

Those following calvin cannot know for sure if they are really saved or not because after all they may be one of the ones the Lord decided to not save and He's just allowing them to "think" they are saved right n ow, but later He tosses them in to the fire.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I notice you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist them to make them fit other unrelated passages of scripture.

I notice you ignore sincere questions and try to take the focus off you

You try to accuse me of being self righteous, while I have always maintained that the Lords imputed His righteousness on me. So I have inherited His righteousness and I didn't become righteous as a result of exercising (my free will) which doesn't even exist.

Well then you have no need to worry, Your saved forever. nothing can change that

There was no need to mention "there are no righteous, none who seek after the Lord, all have gone astray", as that applies to everyone who has ever been born. Yes I was one of them just as every other elect child of God was, but God saves His children and He will not save the Devils children, because He never intended to from the beginning.

I can see your theology is all messed up, it's not coherent nor is it consistent. It fundamentally flawed, I'm not suggesting that you're to blame for this. I would put the blame on your teacher/shepherd/minister/pastor etc. God will lead you to a faithful shepherd if you humbly ask him.

Do you even know my theology? All I see is yu attacking. with no proof. no comment, you can not even answer basic questions.

The Lord led me to a faithful shepherd, where I heard the awful truth and almost walked out during the first sermon. But I stayed and found that the more I listened, the more I realized how little I knew and what I thought I knew to be true was actually false.

Learning about the truth is bitter medicine for everyone, because it goes against our sin nature. Beware of false shepherds, who dress in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.

again, Then you need not worry. You are saved forever. Now stop judging others. and bring them that same gospel of hope

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you now admitting that God gave you the gift of faith? or are you still holding on to the fallacy that you manufactured your own faith and exercised it to receive salvation?

its the work of God anyone believe.

No one can come up to faith in anyone, unless that someone proves his faithfulness.

No, you were never offered salvation. That's a heretic doctrine God either saves a man or He leaves the man dead in his sin.

yeah your right, God did not send the church out with the gospel of repentance for forgiveness of sin.

You make God sound like a hopeless door to door salesman, who is desperately trying to sell eternal paradise for fire, but the vast majority spit in His face and choose eternal torment in hell instead. Can you see how pathetic this heresy is. Why would God allow reprobate evil doers to spit in His face all day everyday, that doctrine is an abomination and I can't imagine how must wrath awaits to who push this demonic doctrine.

Yawn

do you have anything biblical to say?

I never chose the Lord, He chose me while I was His enemy. I never would have come to Him, if He didn't draw me to Himself.

Ah, so God held you up which tearing you rneighbor down. what makes you so special?

you want to pump your chest. feel free. count me out

I tried to run and resist His calling but found that it was impossible, so I finally surrounded to Him and He added me to the body of Christ.

lol..

Can you explain why God chose to save me, and leave many of my friends who were also heard the gospel, in their sin and now many of them are either dead of drug overdoses and others have sunk into dep depravity where they can't even sit down and listen to the gospel message. They are on their way to hell and nothing can save them, if God doesn't directly intervene and work a miracle in them to open their spiritual eyes.

I do not even know if you are saved.

Why did God chose you and notg others. what makes yiu so special? the fact you think you are special. makes me wonder

I also have a cousin, who is a highly intelligent, world renown professor of science and he is just as spiritually lost as those heroin addicts I just mentioned. It just goes to show that your high IQ score or talent doesn't help you if God doesn't draw you to Himself.

judge not lest you be judged.

Jesus said he cam not to judge the world. but that the world MAY be saved.
that means everyone has a possibility. God is not a respector of persons. He put all under sin that all may be made right.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Absolutely. However, we must coopeate with that grace in otder to be saved (Matt. 23:37, 2 Cor. 6:1).

Exactly.
That grace only works with our acceptance - our cooperation . . .

but as many as have recieved him

thats all you can do.
be as the tax collector

or try to come to go with all your works like the religious pharsee.

 

[BreadOfLife]

but as many as have recieved him

thats all you can do.
be as the tax collector
or try to come to go with all your works like the religious pharsee.

Not sure what you mean.

As I showed you in my last post the, the Bible demands that we cooperate with God's saing grace:
Matt. 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU were not willing."

It was God's divine will that his people accept what HE prepared for them - but it was NOT possible without THEIR cooperation.

We also read in Matt. 6:5 that Jesus could NOT perform any miracles in Nazareth because of the lack of the cooperation of faith.

 

[BreadOfLife]

again, Then you need not worry. You are saved forever. Now stop judging others. and bring them that same gospel of hope

The Bible assures us that, as Christians, we are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED in the end (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

OSAS is a 16th century Protestant invention . . .

 

[GracePeace]

The Bible assures us that, as Christians, we are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED in the end (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

OSAS is a 16th century Protestant invention . . .

They're not interested in truth, they have their manmade tradition--they believe a tiny sliver of Scripture to the exclusion of all else.
They plug their ears, and scream, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not sure what you mean.

As I showed you in my last post the, the Bible demands that we cooperate with God's saing grace:
Matt. 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU were not willing."

It was God's divine will that his people accept what HE prepared for them - but it was NOT possible without THEIR cooperation.

We also read in Matt. 6:5 that Jesus could NOT perform any miracles in Nazareth because of the lack of the cooperation of faith.

Not sure what your getting at.

How would they cooperate? By having faith.

Its not about what we do. Its about what God can do.

they chose to trust self. and religion. and rejected the will of their God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible assures us that, as Christians, we are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED in the end (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

OSAS is a 16th century Protestant invention . . .

there is no such thing as initial salvation. This is a legalistic jewish idea that sadly perverted the church.

I have been saved. from the penalty of sin. thatr5s justification. this is eternal


I am being saved from the flesh. as I am being sanctified by the one who perfected me forever.

I will be saved from the ability to sin. when I receive my resurrected body. Glorified in him.

Jesus said come to him and he will give you rest. Sadly the jew did not want that rest. and nor did alot of the church. they want to insert self back in the picture.

Jesus took what was contrary to me, against me and mailed it to the cross. I am justified freely.. I have been saved. not by works. but by grace through faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They're not interested in truth, they have their manmade tradition--they believe a tiny sliver of Scripture to the exclusion of all else.
They plug their ears, and scream, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

You have tradition my friend. Like the jew. you put tradition over the word of God.

come out from her and find truth.