THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Titus]

In Gal 2:9 Paul was referring to something that had happened in the past, not long after Paul was saved....apparently before James was martyred.

Give Scripture.
I already showed you James the apostle was dead when Paul wrote his letter to the Galatians.
The very first chapter Paul says James is the Lords brother.

Galatians 1:19,
- but other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lords brother

 

[Lizbeth]

Give Scripture.
I already showed you James the apostle was dead when Paul wrote his letter to the Galatians.
The very first chapter Paul says James is the Lords brother.

Galatians 1:19,
- but other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lords brother

I'm just saying in his letter to the Galations Paul was referring back to a time in the past, so perhaps James the apostle was still alive at the time Paul was speaking about. In any case I don't want to keep arguing about this forever....I seem to see there are indications in the bible that some apostles happened to have had more prominence or influence or carried more weight and were of greater repute than others and you don't agree, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

(And just to add, if the James that Paul mentioned in Gal 2:14 is the brother of Jesus then likely it isn't the same James who was present at the transfiguration, so we can scratch that, no problem.)

 

[Titus]

Paul was referring back to a time in the past, so perhaps James the apostle was still alive at the time Paul was speaking about.

This subject is not open for debate.
We know the apostle James was dead and when he died.
We know who Paul was referring to because the brother of Jesus was one of the main men that worked diligently in the Jerusalem church. He is spoken of in Acts 15.
James is referred to as a pillar of the church.

.I seem to see there are indications in the bible that some apostles happened to have had more prominence or influence or carried more weight and were of greater repute than others and you don't agree, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Jesus taught against apostles being greater than other apostles. That's not my personal belief, that's Jesus teaching it.

Luke 22:24-26,
- and there arose a dispute among them as to which one of them was regarded to be greatest
- and Jesus said to them the kings of the gentiles lord it over them, and those who have authority over them are called benefactors
- BUT NOT SO WITH YOU(APOSTLES) rather the one who is greatest among you must become like the youngest and the leader like the servant
- for who is greater the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves is it not the one who reclines BUT I(JESUS) AM AMONG YOU AS THE ONE WHO SERVES

I'm glad to have taught you what sayest the Scriptures on this Bible subject.
Hopefully in the future you will study and consider all the scriptures I've shared with you and come to the same doctrine as Christ's,
Acts 2:42,
- and they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship in the breaking of bread and in prayers.

 

[GracePeace]

So `many sons` should really be many` females?`

So, when God called Israel "My firstborn son", that made all the women men?

For what ever reason, you are a rebellious woman--rebellious against Scripture, and rebellious against people who speak the Scripture which you have zero answers for (except the silliness of, "The Apostles were disobedient to the Lord's command, and did not go and teach the nations to observe all things He taught them--in order for me to be right, the Apostles must be wrong!")--and you need to quit it, because your abject ignorance is already bad enough on its own, but when you also intentionally rebel against God's Word, it's a really bad combination.

 

[GracePeace]

The symbol of the wife/bride was in the OT and for Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

So `many sons` should really be many` females?`

If you want to deny that the entirety of believers, Jew and Gentile, are the bride of Christ, and argue, instead, that the bride of Christ applies only to the "Church of Israel"... are you not also subject to your own criticism that to say such things is to make all the men in the "Church of Israel" into women? LOL! The only way your view stands is through the power of ignorance and hypocrisy--apply rules to others that you don't have to abide by, yourself, and "voila", you're a genius woman "bible teacher". Bravo!

 

[Lizbeth]

This subject is not open for debate.
We know the apostle James was dead and when he died.
We know who Paul was referring to because the brother of Jesus was one of the main men that worked diligently in the Jerusalem church. He is spoken of in Acts 15.
James is referred to as a pillar of the church.


Jesus taught against apostles being greater than other apostles. That's not my personal belief, that's Jesus teaching it.

Luke 22:24-26,
- and there arose a dispute among them as to which one of them was regarded to be greatest
- and Jesus said to them the kings of the gentiles lord it over them, and those who have authority over them are called benefactors
- BUT NOT SO WITH YOU(APOSTLES) rather the one who is greatest among you must become like the youngest and the leader like the servant
- for who is greater the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves is it not the one who reclines BUT I(JESUS) AM AMONG YOU AS THE ONE WHO SERVES

I'm glad to have taught you what sayest the Scriptures on this Bible subject.
Hopefully in the future you will study and consider all the scriptures I've shared with you and come to the same doctrine as Christ's,
Acts 2:42,
- and they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship in the breaking of bread and in prayers.

Servant leadership doesn't mean no leadership, or else Jesus Himself would have been guilty. If the Holy Spirit leads some to stand up and take the lead at any time, or in an overall way, it doesn't mean either He or they are violating servant leadership. Whereas things like a condescending and superior attitude does violate it.

And if some of the apostles happened to have been found to carry more weight in the church than others, in the will and wisdom and foresight of the Lord, it doesn't at all have to mean they were violating the spirit of servant leadership and seeking recognition and status for themselves (unless they were doing that).

Anyway I'm finished here, you have a blessed day.

 

[Doug]

1. Adoption as sons and daughters of God — “He predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will” (Ephesians 1:5). This is your new identity. Without it, you are still a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). This promise cannot be revoked or reasoned away.


2. The gift of the Holy Spirit — “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith” (Galatians 3:14). The Spirit is your seal and guarantee. To reject this is to walk in darkness, no matter how loudly you speak.


3. Eternal life through faith in Christ — “Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life” (1 John 5:12). This is not wishful thinking. It is an unbreakable covenant written in the blood of Jesus.


4. Victory over sin and death — “But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!” (1 Corinthians 15:57). Your doubt will not resurrect the dead nor break sin’s chains. Only Christ’s power does.


5. Peace that surpasses all understanding — “And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:7). This peace is a fortress, not fragile sentiment.

I totally agree with all of these promises
The reason I asked is so many people say that we are heirs of Abraham, not Christ, and get all the promises made to Israel like the land and reigning as priests etc
Yes we get all the promises you cited thru faith in Christ

 

[Doug]

> “Therefore, repent and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.” — Acts 3:19
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.” — 1 John 1:9

Just so you know these verses apply to Israel