Sister-n-Christ
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You mean those members of your family aren't included in your calculations thread,hells population clock?
Is Hell a place of torment?
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Sister-n-Christ
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Jesus was a Jew. The Jews do not have an eternal pit of suffering fire and brimstone.
The Hell most know of is an invention of the Roman Catholic cult.
Just as was Limbo and Purgatory$$.
The Hell most know of is an invention of the Roman Catholic cult.
Just as was Limbo and Purgatory$$.
Big Boy Johnson
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That would be claiming Jesus is a liar because He spoke about hell as being a place of ever lasting torment.
You did not by reading the Gospels that Jesus did not agree with the religious Jews of the day, right?
This is claiming Jesus was a follower of the catholic cult.
I'd be very careful of accusing Jesus of being sinful like that. He wasn't!
Webers_Home
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I have never seen the afterlife for myself. So then; I cannot speak about it
as somebody who knows what they're talking about. But God has seen the
afterlife for Himself; so when God speaks about it, He knows what He's
talking about.
It's really important to be aware that Christ was micro-managed; viz: Christ
didn't speak for himself; he spoke for God.
● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.
● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
● John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
So then, when people disbelieve what Christ says about the afterlife, they
are actually disbelieving God; and by doing so they insinuate that God is a
dishonest person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth.
Most Christians know all that without having to be reminded. So instead of
outright disbelieving what Christ says about the afterlife-- insinuating that
neither he nor his Father know what they're talking about --a number of
Christians spin what he says; viz: they tone it down in order to make it
compatible with human sensibilities.
But human sensibilities are unreliable; especially seeing as how the source
of human sensibilities was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The
problem with a sense of good and evil obtained from the tree is that it's a
natural sense rather than an inspired sense.
For example: right off the bat the first couple concealed their pelvic areas.
They did that not because God expressed disapproval of full frontal nudity,
but because their intuitive sense of good and evil told them that their private
parts are indecent. In other words: their sense of propriety wasn't an inspired
sense, rather, it was a natural sense.
Well; as a general rule, God is not offended by nudity; not even the full
frontal variety; and He has yet to issue a "thou shalt not" commandment
forbidding it. (Note that I said "general rule" cf. Ex 20:26)
In point of fact, God created Adam totally bare naked and left him that way;
viz: if God were truly offended by bare nakedness, he would have clothed
Adam right from the outset.
So when people tone down Christ's afterlife teachings in order to make them
compatible with human sensibilities; they exhibit their intimate connection to
the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You see, though a number of
Christians find the thought of people suffering in a fiery hell repulsive and
unacceptable, God doesn't, no, not in the slightest. In point of fact; He's all
for it. I know that's true because Christ said so.
● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
spirit is upon him without measure or limit
NOTE: My comments assume the Bible is true. Now whether it is or not is
something that each Christian on their own has to decide for themselves; just
as each Muslim on their own has to decide for themselves whether the Koran
is reliable, and each Hindu on their own has to decide for themselves whether
the Vedas are reliable.
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I have never seen the afterlife for myself. So then; I cannot speak about it
as somebody who knows what they're talking about. But God has seen the
afterlife for Himself; so when God speaks about it, He knows what He's
talking about.
It's really important to be aware that Christ was micro-managed; viz: Christ
didn't speak for himself; he spoke for God.
● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.
● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
● John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
So then, when people disbelieve what Christ says about the afterlife, they
are actually disbelieving God; and by doing so they insinuate that God is a
dishonest person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth.
Most Christians know all that without having to be reminded. So instead of
outright disbelieving what Christ says about the afterlife-- insinuating that
neither he nor his Father know what they're talking about --a number of
Christians spin what he says; viz: they tone it down in order to make it
compatible with human sensibilities.
But human sensibilities are unreliable; especially seeing as how the source
of human sensibilities was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The
problem with a sense of good and evil obtained from the tree is that it's a
natural sense rather than an inspired sense.
For example: right off the bat the first couple concealed their pelvic areas.
They did that not because God expressed disapproval of full frontal nudity,
but because their intuitive sense of good and evil told them that their private
parts are indecent. In other words: their sense of propriety wasn't an inspired
sense, rather, it was a natural sense.
Well; as a general rule, God is not offended by nudity; not even the full
frontal variety; and He has yet to issue a "thou shalt not" commandment
forbidding it. (Note that I said "general rule" cf. Ex 20:26)
In point of fact, God created Adam totally bare naked and left him that way;
viz: if God were truly offended by bare nakedness, he would have clothed
Adam right from the outset.
So when people tone down Christ's afterlife teachings in order to make them
compatible with human sensibilities; they exhibit their intimate connection to
the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You see, though a number of
Christians find the thought of people suffering in a fiery hell repulsive and
unacceptable, God doesn't, no, not in the slightest. In point of fact; He's all
for it. I know that's true because Christ said so.
● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
spirit is upon him without measure or limit
NOTE: My comments assume the Bible is true. Now whether it is or not is
something that each Christian on their own has to decide for themselves; just
as each Muslim on their own has to decide for themselves whether the Koran
is reliable, and each Hindu on their own has to decide for themselves whether
the Vedas are reliable.
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Sister-n-Christ
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If all that you said on the first part of your post is true, you'll have to explain how you justify your thread, Hells population clock.
Big Boy Johnson
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Who cares what the cults think?
You make it sound as though their religious teachings are true and they can be saved thru their cult.
Do you believe Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation or not???
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
A Christian's knowledge of the unseen world is derived from a book. A
Muslim's knowledge of the unseen world is derived from a book. A Hindu's
knowledge of the unseen world is derived from a book.
Personally I don't see how Christianity is less a cult than the others seeing
as how none of you have journeyed to the unseen world for yourself, viz:
you have faith in a book, but you do not have a faith built upon experience.
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Big Boy Johnson
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Their books are nothing but lies.
Real Christians walk by faith, not by sight
You should believe what God says and He'll open the eyes of your understanding and you won't be making dilly comments like this anymore because they eyes of your understanding will be opened and you'll SEE that what God says is true long before you lave this world.
Interesting...
Grace and peace to you.
"Derived"... Well, not true according to the Book we do have: "what can be known about God is plain to (all), because God has shown it to (us)... His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made." (Romans 1)
What is your definition of a cult, WH? I would submit to you that cults distort biblical truths into lies, which might include you, if you are not a Christian, because ~ as the Bible says also in Romans 1 ~ unbelievers have "exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature and creation rather than the Creator" (also Romans 1).
Well now this is true, but biblical faith is the assurance from God and conviction by the Holy Spirit of things hoped for and unseen (Hebrews 11:1). For the Christian, this God-given assurance and Holy-Spirit-given conviction is rock-solid proof. I don't expect you will accept that, but true it is.
Our faith is in a Person, namely Christ Jesus. And the evidence of our faith is our obedience of God and our good works... the fruit of the Holy Spirit ("love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control" ~ Galatians 5). If one says he has faith but has no works to validate it, then it is still a faith, but a dead faith.
Ohhhh... Yes, we do... <smile>
Grace and peace to you.
Sister-n-Christ
Well-Known Member
WH sends PM's to people who disagree with his worldly Eisegesis so to let them know he'll be ignoring them.
WH spams all Christian forums that permit him to continue in posting his calculations as to how many people have entered Hell since his last post.
It's one of the most depraved shameful threads on the Net. And he's spammed,trolled,that depravity for years.
His cryptic post there referring to God's word as a book is enlightening. His reference to personal experience is nothing in light of that.
He's a long lived shameless Troll.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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@ Big Boy Johnson
Re: Their books are nothing but lies.
Would it surprise you to discover they feel the same way about your book?
Re: Real Christians walk by faith, not by sight
Couldn't the same be said of real Muslims and real Hindus?
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@ Big Boy Johnson
Re: Their books are nothing but lies.
Would it surprise you to discover they feel the same way about your book?
Re: Real Christians walk by faith, not by sight
Couldn't the same be said of real Muslims and real Hindus?
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Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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@ PinSeeker
Quoting one's beliefs from the Bible does nothing to prove those beliefs are
true. I mean, after all; Muslims can quote their beliefs from the Koran but
that does nothing to prove their beliefs are true, and Hindus can quote their
beliefs from the Vedas, but again that does nothing to prove their beliefs are
true; because all three religions would be quoting from books whose contents
have yet to be proven 100% true and reliable, viz: quotes, per se, are just
circular reasoning.
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@ PinSeeker
Quoting one's beliefs from the Bible does nothing to prove those beliefs are
true. I mean, after all; Muslims can quote their beliefs from the Koran but
that does nothing to prove their beliefs are true, and Hindus can quote their
beliefs from the Vedas, but again that does nothing to prove their beliefs are
true; because all three religions would be quoting from books whose contents
have yet to be proven 100% true and reliable, viz: quotes, per se, are just
circular reasoning.
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Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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FAQ: Atheists have plenty of sensible reasons for rejecting Christianity and
the Bible. What sensible reasons do you have for accepting those things?
REPLY: None.
FAQ: How it is that you trust Christianity and the Bible without a sensible
reason for doing so?
REPLY: My conscience insists Christianity and the Bible are true, viz: it's an
intuitive conviction that I am unable to shake off.
Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning.
When folks are persuaded to buy into a religion by means of reasoning and
logic, they can be just as easily persuaded to give it up by reasoning and
logic. But someone whose heart is gripped by their religion is not easily
removed regardless of how strong, how sensible, how convincing, nor how
logical the opposition's argument. In point of fact, one of the prerequisites to
biblical salvation is believing with one's heart rather than one's head. (Rom 10:8-9)
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FAQ: Atheists have plenty of sensible reasons for rejecting Christianity and
the Bible. What sensible reasons do you have for accepting those things?
REPLY: None.
FAQ: How it is that you trust Christianity and the Bible without a sensible
reason for doing so?
REPLY: My conscience insists Christianity and the Bible are true, viz: it's an
intuitive conviction that I am unable to shake off.
Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning.
When folks are persuaded to buy into a religion by means of reasoning and
logic, they can be just as easily persuaded to give it up by reasoning and
logic. But someone whose heart is gripped by their religion is not easily
removed regardless of how strong, how sensible, how convincing, nor how
logical the opposition's argument. In point of fact, one of the prerequisites to
biblical salvation is believing with one's heart rather than one's head. (Rom 10:8-9)
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amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
None the less their books are lies . of course they think the same about the true christain .
LOOk at what JESUS told even the unbeleiving jews who claimed THEY KNEW GOD .
YE are of your father the devil .
That big ol calculation clock you keep talking about , you better shudder in fear my friend .
cause if you have already swallowed the pill
that all religions do serve GOD , YOU have swallowed not just a lie, BUT THE LIE .
As far as real christains walk by faith and not by sight
And your response of couldnt the same be said of real muslims , hindus and etc
NO it cant . because their faith IS NOT IN GOD at all . The dark one dont care what religoin one follows
he owns them all . You seem to have bought into inclusivism . Very deadly to do such a thing . very anti christ
is this inclusivism . and we sure dont want to be any part in that mess .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
The dark one , that ol serpent , the dragon does not sleep .
He will merge ALL religoins as one under what HE has cliamed is of GOD and IS LOVE .
AND it darn sure looks like many are beginning to buy into his lie . GOOD that you EXPOSED THIS . we sticking to CHRIST JESUS
my friend . cause any other hope , gospel , love , or whatever they call it
WONT be saving squat or didly doo . KEEP On pointing to CHRIST
and keep exposing all that is false . And every other religoin IS false and they are still in darkness
Even as we were BEFORE WE BELEIVED and were translated into the KINGDOM OF GOD . many are buying into
this other stuff that implies somehow other religoins serve GOD too .
NO all other religoins do serve one god , BUT IT DARN SURE AINT THE GOD .
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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Heaven is sometimes depicted as a mountain with any number of roads
around the base going up towards the top. Well; conventional Christianity
accepts only one of those roads makes it; viz: the rest are dead ends, loops,
terraces, circles, and cul-de-sacs, i.e. no outlets and nowhere to go except
round and around or back down the mountain.
Hell is depicted as a colossal pit, deep and wide, with many roads around the
rim going down towards the bottom. Well; conventional Christianity accepts
that every one of those roads eventually merge into one big super expressway
to the bottom.
● Matt 7:13-14 . . Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to
destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the
road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
What number might the quantity "many" represent? Well, according to my
sources, as of mid 2020 there were approximately:
50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics
The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000
If those figures are in the ball park, and if conventional Christianity is the
reality; then at least 72.4% of the earth's 2020 population of 7,887,001,292
people were on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of them were folks we
care about: our BFF, our loved ones, and our favorite celebrities.
_
Heaven is sometimes depicted as a mountain with any number of roads
around the base going up towards the top. Well; conventional Christianity
accepts only one of those roads makes it; viz: the rest are dead ends, loops,
terraces, circles, and cul-de-sacs, i.e. no outlets and nowhere to go except
round and around or back down the mountain.
Hell is depicted as a colossal pit, deep and wide, with many roads around the
rim going down towards the bottom. Well; conventional Christianity accepts
that every one of those roads eventually merge into one big super expressway
to the bottom.
● Matt 7:13-14 . . Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to
destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the
road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
What number might the quantity "many" represent? Well, according to my
sources, as of mid 2020 there were approximately:
50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics
The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000
If those figures are in the ball park, and if conventional Christianity is the
reality; then at least 72.4% of the earth's 2020 population of 7,887,001,292
people were on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of them were folks we
care about: our BFF, our loved ones, and our favorite celebrities.
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Sure they do. But it is very possible to be both sensible (for many reasons) and wrong at the same time. <smile>
Well, If God gives this assurance, then it's every bit as plain and... sensible... as believing one actually has a nose on his/her face. <smile>
Grace and peace to you.
Sister-n-Christ
Well-Known Member
The thing is,if you read his remarks above you soon realize he speaks nonsense.
He has no respect for the Bible, obviously. The book. No more important than books held by other religions.
Yet he claims he has an innate intuitive sense Christianity is true?
However,the only way to know the particulars of Christianity is via,the book.
He says he doesn't know what happens after this life? Too bad he doesn't know the book tells us that.
He doesn't know what happens after this life,has no respect for the Bible per say,yet he presumes the ability to calculate how many souls entered the Hell,after life, talked about in the Bible.
Big Boy Johnson
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Well of course, if you disagree with anybody that automatically makes then a "troll"
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