PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[Douggg]

This is the harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth..........the second rapture. This is the 6th seal.

No, I disagree. Jesus is going to destroy the armies surrounding Jerusalem. That is what He reaps with a sharp sickle.

btw, I use Corel Paint Shop Pro to make charts, diagrams, and graphics. If you get that and learn how to use it (fun process) and get efficient and creative at it - then you can also make timelines, etc. of things as you see them to communicate with others.

 

[WPM]

The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth......they are raptured from the earth are before the throne in heaven. They are first fruits of the harvest of the twelve tribes across the earth.


You skipped comment on this verse.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

This is the great tribulation............this is the 5th seal.


This is the harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth..........the second rapture. This is the 6th seal.

• Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"?
• Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
• Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
• Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
• Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?

 

[WPM]

We only know that they are ethnic Jews, and that they are firstfruit Jews, and they are in heaven in Rev 14.
( martyred or raptured as you indicate)
If they are firstfruits then that is part of harvest.
Main harvest Jews are to follow.
Rev 14;14 is the main harvest.

Nowhere else is Jesus holding a sickle.
It is a unique unto itself harvest.

Fruit harvest.
Not grain.

What a load of gibberish!

 

[Douggg]

You don't think that the king in this verse represents God? Clearly, this verse is describing the king's wrath and the king represents God. So, I can't imagine how you can deny that this verse is referring to God's wrath.

Yes the king in the parable represents God. And the king's son represents Jesus. And the bad guys in the parable represent the high priests and Pharisees.

But I don't think the parable means that it is an expression of God's wrath that the series Jewish/Roman wars took place. The wars were a result of the Jews rebellion against the Romans occupying their land.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes the king in the parable represents God. And the king's son represents Jesus. And the bad guys in the parable represent the high priests and Pharisees.

And who was in charge of the armies that killed the bad guys and order them to do so? That was God, right? I would describe that as God's wrath coming against the high priests and Pharisees since He is the One who had them killed because of rejecting His Son.

But I don't think the parable means that it is an expression of God's wrath that the series Jewish/Roman wars took place.

I disagree. The parable indicates that God had "the bad guys" killed by the Roman armies because of how the bad guys treated His Son, so if that's not God's wrath, I don't know what is.

The wars were a result of the Jews rebellion against the Romans occupying their land.

No. Similar to how God puts it in the minds of the ten horns of the beast to do His will and destroy the whore (Rev 17:16-17), God put it in the minds of the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem and the temple buildings while killing unbelieving Jews and leading many of them captive to other nations as punishment for rejecting His Son.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What a load of gibberish!

Does he ever post anything else but gibberish? Not that I've seen. Pre-tribs try to interpret the book of Revelation in isolation from the rest of scripture and they end up causing many contradictions with other scriptures. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. Please tell us where your 1st rapture is? It seems to be a figment of your imagination.

He actually thinks Paul references two raptures in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. LOL.

He thinks that what Paul is saying there is that first the dead in Christ are resurrected and raptured and taken to heaven. Then, later Jesus comes and those who are alive and remain are raptured. LOL. He denies that the resurrected dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air at the same time. LOL. He just wants to believe things that no one else does. There's several people like that on here and it's just unbelievable. A bunch of lone wolves who think they have the truth all to themselves.

 

[WPM]

Does he ever post anything else but gibberish? Not that I've seen. Pre-tribs try to interpret the book of Revelation in isolation from the rest of scripture and they end up causing many contradictions with other scriptures. It's just ridiculous.

They cannot even show their 1st rapture in Revelation. Try and ask them. It is an elaborate man-made Jesuit invention.

 

[WPM]

He actually thinks Paul references two raptures in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. LOL.

He thinks that what Paul is saying there is that first the dead in Christ are resurrected and raptured and taken to heaven. Then, later Jesus comes and those who are alive and remain are raptured. LOL. He denies that the resurrected dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air at the same time. LOL. He just wants to believe things that no one else does. There's several people like that on here and it's just unbelievable. A bunch of lone wolves who think they have the truth all to themselves.

Yes, while adding unto to Scripture. This is why Pretrib is dead on these forums. All they can to is avoid or insult. They have nothing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They cannot even show their 1st rapture in Revelation. Try and ask them. It is an elaborate man-made Jesuit invention.

They just claim it's the 144,000 who are part of the supposed 1st rapture, but there is no description of the 144,000 being raptured in Revelation.

 

[The Light]

What a load of gibberish!

For once I totally agree with you. This is a total and complete load of gibberish...................For those without eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

[The Light]

• Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"?
• Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
• Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
• Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
• Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?

These have already been answered. Please refer to previous posts in previous threads for the answers. You continue to deny you have been answered.

Deny, Deny, Deny. All you got. Everyone knows it.

 

[The Light]

LOL. Please tell us where your 1st rapture is? It seems to be a figment of your imagination.

You seem very unfamiliar with the Word of God.

Screams to pinpoint the pretribulation rapture. Here it is.

Matthew 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

[The Light]

No, I disagree. Jesus is going to destroy the armies surrounding Jerusalem. That is what He reaps with a sharp sickle.

btw, I use Corel Paint Shop Pro to make charts, diagrams, and graphics. If you get that and learn how to use it (fun process) and get efficient and creative at it - then you can also make timelines, etc. of things as you see them to communicate with others.

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Jesus remains in the clouds in Revelation 14. He is coming for a harvest. All go to heaven after the harvest for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

In Revelation 14
You conclude that the angel reaps the land of Israel. The Word says that the earth is reaped.
You conclude that Jesus reaps the city of Jerusalem. The Word says Jesus reaps the earth.

Common sense should tell you that the armies are gathered outside of Jerusalem (without the city) at Armageddon and Jesus will destroy them. In other words, Armageddon is the coming of Jesus with the armies of heaven, Revelation 19.

Armageddon happens after the 6th trumpet/vial.

Also, I already know how to use Paint. I used to design websites. I've done so much of that stuff it just doesn't interest me.

 

[WPM]

These have already been answered. Please refer to previous posts in previous threads for the answers. You continue to deny you have been answered.

Deny, Deny, Deny. All you got. Everyone knows it.

More lies! You addressed 1 with an evasive reply. That is it. You know it.

You have a lot to hide.

 

[WPM]

You seem very unfamiliar with the Word of God.

Screams to pinpoint the pretribulation rapture. Here it is.

Matthew 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?

 

[Douggg]

Also, I already know how to use Paint. I used to design websites. I've done so much of that stuff it just doesn't interest me.

Can you make a sample timeline chart like this one from Paint and post it ?

Corel Paintshop Pro makes use of layers that can be manipulated as a fundamental part of making images.

imo, Paint is not as user friendly.

 

[The Light]

Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?

LOL. Awesome.

We've been down this road too many times. When I answer, copy and paste the question and answer so you can remember what questions you have previously asked.

Funny that you are unable to provide where your rapture is in Revelation? Priceless.

 

[WPM]

LOL. Awesome.

We've been down this road too many times. When I answer, copy and paste the question and answer so you can remember what questions you have previously asked.

Funny that you are unable to provide where your rapture is in Revelation? Priceless.

Talk about avoidance!!! What are you scared of?

Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?

 

[The Light]

You have a lot to hide.

Yes. I do have a lot to hide. Secret rooms with big safes are the ticket. I would also recommend motion sensors that can be monitored with your phone. Just remember, you can't take it with you.