Is Hell a place of torment?

[Jesus Wept]

I became a born again believer way back in the 90's. I was not always faithful. In fact, I ran from God for many years, and yet, He never withdrew His presence, until He did. It was a brief period of time, only a month or two. And it was the most terrifying time of my life, torment would be a really good word for it.
Yes, hell is torment, eternal fire or not. Because God is not there. And He will never be there. The absence of God, at least in my own personal reckoning, was as close to hell as I ever care to get.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Catholic Church has yet to produce a passage from the Bible that
explicitly talks of a purgatory. Instead, the Church uses passages that allude
to the existence of a purgatory.

Now, an allusion isn't the same as an illusion, nor the same as a delusion.
An allusion is an arrangement of words that convey an idea or a concept
indirectly.

The thing is: Isa 66:23-24, Mark 9:43-48, and Rev 20:11-15 give us the
impression that suffering is a distinct possibility, however the text of the
passages themselves don't mention it, i.e. they aren't explicit.
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The fire at the end Jesus describes here as 'and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.'

Matthew 13

The Parable of the Tares Explained​

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

A bunch of references on wailing, weeping, gnashing of teeth, furnace of fire, hell
Outer darkness means a separation from light of Christ and God.

What Does the Bible Say About Wailing And Gnashing Of Teeth?

Bible verses about Wailing And Gnashing Of Teeth

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Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13 - New King James Version

The Parable of the Sower - On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Scott Downey]

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Jude 1:7 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

2 Thessalonians 1:8 ESV / 2 helpful votes​

In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

We read, it is punishment, vengeance, eternal destruction, away from God and light and is an outer darkness where they have no rest.

John 8:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes​

Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

uses passages that allude
to the existence of a purgatory

There aren't any passages that "allude to the existence of a purgatory"

 

[Keiw]

Actually you shared scripture twisting that was provided by the devil and his merry little band of lying demons.

Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.







That's one of satan's favorite lines!

Jesus is clear--those walking the broad and spacious path to destruction.--that is not being given eternal life to suffer.
God set before all men-Deut 30:19--life or death.)))))))) There is no life in death
I explained Gods perfect justice scales to you. They cannot be denied. All of his ways are justice( Deut 32:4) never unjust)--his perfect justice = an eye for an eye--thus for 70-100 years of a sinful unrepented life he could not condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of punishment--only a sicko sadist would do that. That is an eye for a gazillion eyes=not the true God.
Its a shame you don't know the true God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus is clear--those walking the broad and spacious path to destruction.

God's definition of destruction is to be separated from Him as there are no scriptures that say those who are lost will cease to exist.

Do you believe Jesus is a liar, or not? Jesus said they are tormented forever.

Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

I explained Gods perfect justice scales to you.

Actually you explained your eisegesis (personal interpretation of the Bible using your own ideas)

Its a shame you don't know the true God.

You got it backwards bud, you are the one that doesn't know God seeing you believe Jesus is a liar by rejecting what Jesus said about hell being eternal torment.

Hope you up your game and quit following the fake god that claims Jesus is a liar and instead start following the REAL Jesus

Claiming what the Lord says in His Word is not true is an earmark of the false jesus which is actually just demons

 

[Keiw]

God's definition of destruction is to be separated from Him as there are no scriptures that say those who are lost will cease to exist.

Do you believe Jesus is a liar, or not? Jesus said they are tormented forever.

Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.







Actually you explained your eisegesis (personal interpretation of the Bible using your own ideas)







You got it backwards bud, you are the one that doesn't know God seeing you believe Jesus is a liar by rejecting what Jesus said about hell being eternal torment.

Hope you up your game and quit following the fake god that claims Jesus is a liar and instead start following the REAL Jesus

Claiming what the Lord says in His Word is not true is an earmark of the false jesus which is actually just demons

I shared bible facts about Gods justice scales-- they cannot be denied, yet ones in darkness do deny bible facts.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I shared bible facts about Gods justice scales-- they cannot be denied, yet ones in darkness do deny bible facts.

All you did was call Jesus Christ a lair.

And you help people out in the world who were thinking of getting saved decide against it because they believe your false doctrine that they will not burn in hell and instead will simply cease to exist.

Annihilationism is a trick of the devil and those teaching is are the devil's children.

 

[pandaflower]

I believe our traditional understanding of Hell was a later invention in the second century.

Matthew 21:31b
Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you (Religious Jews).”


As a Jew and the Messiah Jesus would have taught about Sheol.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I believe our traditional understanding of Hell was a later invention in the second century.

 

[Keiw]

All you did was call Jesus Christ a lair.

And you help people out in the world who were thinking of getting saved decide against it because they believe your false doctrine that they will not burn in hell and instead will simply cease to exist.

Annihilationism is a trick of the devil and those teaching is are the devil's children.

I said it was symbolism. I didn't call him a liar as you reasoned falsely.
The whole bible must be applied to find a truth.

 

[Jack]

"Is Hell a place of torment?"

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

I said it was symbolism. I didn't call him a liar as you reasoned falsely.

Same thing! "Symbolism" is a FAV when JW's don't like what God said!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I said it was symbolism

In other way of discounting what Jesus said which is the same as calling Him a liar.

The devil and his followers cannot fool those that actually know what the Lord says in His Word.

 

[Keiw]

In other way of discounting what Jesus said which is the same as calling Him a liar.

The devil and his followers cannot fool those that actually know what the Lord says in His Word.

Sad you don't know the true living God whose justice scales are in perfect balance. He taught us all to use those scales in our dealings=An eye for an eye=perfect balance.

Lets see if an eye for an eye fits eternal suffering
70-100 years of a unrepented life--you say--trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years is Gods punishment for those. Yet in reality it isn't an eye for an eye that is an eye for a gazillion eyes---thus not Gods perfectly balanced justice scales. Its false religions twisting God and his real truth. Here is what his son taught-- Many have entered the broad and spacious path that leads to DESTRUCTION.

Only a sadist would create a literal eternal suffering. the true God= LOVE, merciful, kind, slow to anger. He lives by his perfect justice scales always in every dealing.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Sad you don't know the true living God

That's rich coming from those who claim Jesus is a liar.

People that go by their feelings and emotions must reject God's Word just because it doesn't fit their carnal thinking.

In the end these people won't be found in God's Kingdom.

Oh well, they've been warned and are without excuse before God for their rejection of God's Word.

 

[Keiw]

Sad you don't know the true living God whose justice scales are in perfect balance. He taught us all to use those scales in our dealings=An eye for an eye=perfect balance.

Lets see if an eye for an eye fits eternal suffering
70-100 years of a unrepented life--you say--trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years is Gods punishment for those. Yet in reality it isn't an eye for an eye that is an eye for a gazillion eyes---thus not Gods perfectly balanced justice scales. Its false religions twisting God and his real truth. Here is what his son taught-- Many have entered the broad and spacious path that leads to DESTRUCTION.

Only a sadist would create a literal eternal suffering. the true God= LOVE, merciful, kind, slow to anger. He lives by his perfect justice scales always in every dealing.

I would never say Jesus is a liar--One with this heart( Jeremiah) 17:9, says i call him a liar by twisting my words.= darkness on your part.

 

[Muna]

"Is Hell a place of torment?"

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Here is being tormented five months

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

God can be specific

So we have tormented for five months in one scenario

And we have tormented day and night forever and ever in another scenario.

And this warning

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[quietthinker]

Is Hell a place of torment?​

You betcha....in the presence of flames of love! 'They' tried to escape it by getting rid of Jesus but there's nowhere to run .....except calling for the rocks and mountains to fall on them. Rev.6:16

 

[Muna]

Is Hell a place of torment?​

You betcha....in the presence of flames of love! 'They' tried to escape it by getting rid of Jesus but there's nowhere to run .....except calling for the rocks and mountains to fall on them. Rev.6:16

There are a few these

They shall say

Hos.10
[8] The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.


Then shall begin to say

Luke.23
[30] Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

And then here, said

Rev.6
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

In the last one the second part of Rev 6:16 that is cut short it shows them trying to hide themseves from wrath there not love flames