You Tube star Mikayla Raines founder of Save a Fox Rescue has died at 29 by suicide due to on-line bullying. :*(

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes I am aware of Hebrews 11:32 and that he is in the Hall of fame for placing himself between those two pillars knowing he would die with them through his own action.

This demonstrates that the Lord did not count that as having committed suicide but counted it as dying in battle as fighting for the good of the nation of Israel.

If he had died in sin, then he would not be in the hall of fame like Solomon who turned away from the Lord and never came back and was lost.

 

[Truly]

This demonstrates that the Lord did not count that as having committed suicide but counted it as dying in battle as fighting for the good of the nation of Israel.

If he had died in sin, then he would not be in the hall of fame like Solomon who turned away from the Lord and never came back and was lost.

I don't really count Samson as one who committed suicide myself. I am just posting an example of a man who knew he would die bringing down the house as he did upon the same Phillistines, which acts would also bring harm upon himself in that particular doing.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I don't really count Samson as one who committed suicide myself. I am just posting an example of a man who knew he would die bringing down the house as he did upon the same Phillistines, which acts would also bring harm upon himself in that particular doing.

It's important to make the distinction that Samson did not actually commit suicide as his actions help stop the enemy.

In modern times it would be a similar situation is a soldier fell on a hand grenade to save his fellow soldiers which is also not committing suicide

There are numerous famous well know ministers that have come out as pro-suicide claiming that when a Christian murders themselves they go to Heaven.

They are telling lies and speaking in behalf of the devil who is trying to get Christians to murder themselves so him and all his demons can have a good laugh knowing they tricked a few believers in to go to hell.

 

[Truly]

It's important to make the distinction that Samson did not actually commit suicide as his actions help stop the enemy.

In modern times it would be a similar situation is a soldier fell on a hand grenade to save his fellow soldiers which is also not committing suicide

Who was saved out of that situation with Samson though?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Who was saved out of that situation with Samson though?

That's a moot point. What's important is that God included him in the faith hall of fame.

Back then Israel was continually fighting for their lives so Samson causing those folks to be killed obviously helped Israel in some way

He probably killed the king of whatever nation that had him in captivity along with top officials. I don't recall all the details since it's been a few years since reading all the stuff in the Bible about Samson.

His life was a cautionary tale that included examples of what NOT to do

 

[Truly]

That's a moot point.

You were trying to make it the point when you said,

"It's important to make the distinction that Samson did not actually commit suicide as his actions help stop the enemy.

In modern times it would be a similar situation is a soldier fell on a hand grenade to save his fellow soldiers which is also not committing suicide


When in Judges 16:28 it says

Judges 16:28 And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

That could be perceived as suicidal, he was betrayed by a woman, and he was captured, God left him and his eyes were gouged out.

He asked to be strengthened to be avenged of his two eyes.

What's important is that God included him in the faith hall of fame.

I know he is, I am just looking at the situation in the light of a thread which is examining the issue of suicide

Back then Israel was continually fighting for their lives so Samson causing those folks to be killed obviously helped Israel in some way

The Philistines were still around long after Samson

He probably killed the king of whatever nation that had him in captivity along with top officials. I don't recall all the details since it's been a few years since reading all the stuff in the Bible about Samson.

His life was a cautionary tale that included examples of what NOT to do

I agree with this

 

[Scott Downey]

I don't really count Samson as one who committed suicide myself. I am just posting an example of a man who knew he would die bringing down the house as he did upon the same Phillistines, which acts would also bring harm upon himself in that particular doing.

Yeah, not really a suicide. It's like in a war situation, do military soldiers commit suicide by going into battles knowing good chance they will die?

 

[Scott Downey]

Who was saved out of that situation with Samson though?

The philistines disappeared as a people, which could have helped save some of Israel later on.
Directly no, but Samson killed many people. But he was also proud in his flesh.

 

[Scott Downey]

I'm happy you didn't, and that it wasn't worse than it was.

Quite so! Mental illness is no easy thing! The hopelessness can be overwhelming!

Much love!

I can recall being depressed about a girl, long time ago and thought of driving into a tree!

God has preserved my life through many trials and snares. I knew her at university, but God kept me and her apart. And it was a good thing too. After graduation she seemed to have a moral collapse, her early childhood education degree did not work out for her. She seemed to have left off her faith, or got cold, became pregnant unmarried, 2 kids with different men, and worked in a cigarette factory.
And I learned her character was not what I thought. And afterwards, I recalled some of the things she had said and done with other people while we were still at university.

She was in the Christian Navigator group, which to a bunch of us other Christians at the time, we felt like it was like a cult. They would not interact with other Christians at the university. They were very exclusive, stand offish. I went to some of their meetings but it never seemed right for me. I did get involved in the Baptist Student Union and Intervarsity Christian fellowship. The Navigator group were highly critical of other Christian groups at the university.

 

[Truly]

Yeah, not really a suicide. It's like in a war situation, do military soldiers commit suicide by going into battles knowing good chance they will die?

Would only depend on the person and the millitary, since there are suicide bombers, which strap a bomb on and end their own lives while taking many more with them to the grave.

I think Samson would not have done that if he had both his eyes, he did it to avenge his two eyes.

 

[Truly]

The philistines disappeared as a people, which could have helped save some of Israel later on.
Directly no, but Samson killed many people. But he was also proud in his flesh.

I was curious about how long after Samson did the Philistines disapear, I did not know, so I did a search and this come up

Samson is believed to have lived around the 11th century BC, specifically between approximately 1081 and 1062 BC. The Philistines, as a distinct people, disappeared from historical records around the 6th century BC, although their exact timeline of disappearance is not explicitly detailed in the provided context. Therefore, the time span between Samson's lifetime and the disappearance of the Philistines as a people is roughly several centuries, but the exact duration is not specified in the given information.

 

[marks]

I think Samson would not have done that if he had both his eyes, he did it to avenge his two eyes.

Judges 16:28-30 KJV
28) And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
29) And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.
30) And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

Did the LORD strengthen Samson to kill the Philistines, and himself in the process?

Much love!

 

[Debp]

There is something wrong on the inside of a person who suicides.

Did want to mention about the gal from SavAFox.... besides suffering mental illnesses, heard she was on medications. Sometimes those drugs that affect the brain cause worse problems in how a person feels or can cope.

I don't know if she had faith in the Lord... hopefully she did, even if it was small faith. The Lord is merciful, even with small faith.

 

[Truly]

Judges 16:28-30 KJV
28) And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
29) And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.
30) And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

Did the LORD strengthen Samson to kill the Philistines, and himself in the process?

Much love!

I have no question that the LORD did so. The LORD who is the secret to Samson's strength had left Samson earlier on before he was captured, and he was captured because his strength (who is the LORD) had left him. After they gouge his eyes out Samson prays for strength once more, and He answers Samson's prayer concerning avenging him of his two eyes and the LORD strengthened Samson to push against the two pillars and to die with the Philistines.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That could be perceived as suicidal

Obviously the Lord does not see it that way because He has Samson in the faith hall of fame in the Book of Hebrews

Others can believe what you want ever they want, but for me this closes the case.

The Philistines were still around long after Samson

That doesn't mean what Samson did provided some measure of victory for Israel at that time.

 

[Truly]

That doesn't mean what Samson did provided some measure of victory for Israel at that time.

Sure, whenever I have bugs in my garden I take care of them the best I can and wipe a few of them off the face of the earth. Reducing their numbers from time to time gives me small victories that way too.

King Saul should have died in battle with them, I never got why that one guy went back to David and told him that he killed Saul when he did not, I did not understand the point in his doing that, only to be killed for doing what he had not (in reality) done.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Sure, whenever I have bugs in my garden I take care of them the best I can and wipe a few of them off the face of the earth. Reducing their numbers from time to time gives me small victories that way too.

King Saul should have died in battle with them, I never got why that one guy went back to David and told him that he killed Saul when he did not, I did not understand the point in his doing that, only to be killed for doing what he had not (in reality) done.

Waste of brain time!

 

[Rita]

Did want to mention about the gal from SavAFox.... besides suffering mental illnesses, heard she was on medications. Sometimes those drugs that affect the brain cause worse problems in how a person feels or can cope.

I don't know if she had faith in the Lord... hopefully she did, even if it was small faith. The Lord is merciful, even with small faith.

Yes, the meds my son was on after his suicide attempt , on the list of side effects was “ can cause suicidal thoughts “ ……..thankfully the Meds help him. My daughter, two years ago, was caught up in pain med addiction and depression. She nearly succeeded in her attempt. Her mind was so messed up because of morphine addicted. She didn’t realise until she was weaned off the morphine. I just prayed life over her.