Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?
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If you have partaken of the divine nature, that is eternal age enduring life, having the life of God.
2 Peter 1
To those who have [a]obtained like[b] precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the [c]corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1
Greeting the Faithful
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who have [a]obtained like[b] precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the [c]corruption that is in the world through lust.
Big Boy Johnson
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God is not the One being tricked in to turning away from the Lord to live in sin.
The bottom line is the OSAS message teaches people that if they were to go back and live in sin they would still be saved which is false doctrine.
No.
* Salvation IS Offered to Bodily Alive human men.
* while the mans Body IS Alive… he can hear, read, learn, believe, doubt, deny, wonder, think maybe, believe, doubt, deny, believe…
SEE the Rollercoaster?
That is a man exercising his own FREEWILL.
Hearing, studying, intently… then stopping, doing other things, schooling, sports, playing, working, blah, blah… too busy for being serious about the Lord God.
Their FREEWILL choosing.
However For a FEW… hearing, learning, verifying what they hear, (as taught in Scripture), studying scripture…
They are Gifted with Measures of FAITH.
Continue?? Faith Gift increases.
Stop… Gift of Faith Stops being given.
Remain from Hearing? Called having FALLEN FROM FAITH…
Can (before their bodily death… Return to Believing, RESUME receiving FAITH increase?
Yes.
* Jesus’ Offer of Salvation…
Is a man “Confessing” with his own FREEWILL his own True Heartful Belief in God / And Jesus IS the Christ…
… His confession Be True???
( Verified by the Lord God who Knows all things )…
That mans body is “accounted Dead”, “crucified with Jesus’ Body”…
Satisfying… all humans Must bodily DIE ONCE.
Salvation IS Promised to Faithful, Heartful, Bodily Alive Believers … and
Salvation IS “Given”… AFTER the Body of Believers DIES.
A man, crucified With Jesus Body… fulfills that requirement…
And ….UNTIL their own body IS Glorified, (raised up, redeemed)… they LIVE…
Saved soul…BornAgain spirit…
IN Christ Jesus’ Body
And….
They Called;
Sav-ED
Quicken-ED (ie spirit born again)
“IN CHRIST”,
Prepared to be Redeemed… (Rapture)…BEFORE Gods Last Days, Anger, Wrath, Tribulations, Negative Judgements Sent down from Heaven, Upon the Whole face of the Earth and its inhabitants…
During ^^ Those Last days ( and series of judgements )… Believing men. (Not having given their body unto to Death)… can Freely elect to … Not “resist” their bodily Death and “freely give their Body unto Death… revealing Their Heartful Belief….
Called Martyrdom.
They Shall Be soul SAVED…THEN (after their bodily Death… by God.
Their Saved soul, will depart their dead body and Rise to Heaven.
Their Dead Body’s Shall Be Risen up, Glorified, At the First Resurrection.
(after…All other Prophecies Are Fulfilled, regarding…
The holy angels
The fallen angels
The Saved IN Christ
The Saved by God (primarily Faithful ISRAELITES).
Christ Jesus’ earthly Reign (1,000) years
Spiritual warfare (holy / fallen) angels
Separating the Divided (with/ without) God
Heavens Opened (Barrier between Heaven / Earth )
Heavens / Earth Restoration
Jerusalem Restored (Seat/ Throne/ Kingship of the Lord Gods Governance… over His Faithful men, who exclusives thereafter ARE the inhabitants of the Face of the Earth.
Lifeless Humans…
No bodily (blood) Life
No soul Life, ( that life is Gods, returns to God )
No spirit Life, ( not born again )
ARE… Destroyed… Forgotten
Fallen Spirits…( who Can NOT Die ) are Separated, from the face of the Earth… cast, lock in with no power to escape… in the Lake of Fire… With IN the Earth… to suffer eternal Separation From God (ie. Torments).
OSAS…
Occurs AFTER a bodily death.
1Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
Does a human man have the Ability AFTER his Bodily Death… to do Anything?
Reject his “Received” Salvation?
No.
Ever seen an autopsy?
I have.
A dead body does Not jump up screaming in pain as their dead flesh is cut and their organs removed… their dead body knows, feels nothing.
(Ecc 9:5)
Glory to God,
Taken
Jesus Wept
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I do not share in your belief, but I do hope you're right.
Big Boy Johnson
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I see the ferris wheel that the OSAS fans boys are on where they regurgitate the devil's lies continually.
No, I'm not a fan of checking out the stiffs.
I'm with Jesus, He said "Let the dead bury the dead"
Brakelite
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Big Boy Johnson
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Correct, salvation is conditional.
Which of course WHY the whole OSAS thing is false doctrine.
NotTheRock
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Salvation for all beings isn't a matter of if but when. Eventually all beings will lovingly declare that Jesus is Lord! Jesus came to unite ALL THINGS back to God the Father and nothing will stop Jesus from achieving total success!
Big Boy Johnson
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Universalism is false doctrine.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
One has to consider Jesus to be a liar to embrace universalism
NotTheRock
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So Jesus fails to unite all things back to God the Father? Is Jesus too uncaring to unite all things back to our Father or simply incapable of persuading everybody to do so?
Big Boy Johnson
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Wow, so all these answers are in God's Word and the reason you cannot see (understand) them is because you choose to not believe what God says in His Word.
I just posted what Jesus said in Mark 16:16 and you immediately question and impugn the Lord's character and Truthfulness by refusing to humble yourself before Him and simply believe what He says and being Truth! Amazing.
This is how people create division between themselves and the Lord by choosing to not believe what the Lord says and question His Truthfulness. This is walking in unbelief.
Jesus Wept
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We know He cares. That is beyond disputation. As we know that He is able, also beyond disputation.
But Christ spoke plainly, the devil has his children too. The wheat and tares appear very similar, and I would not presume to say which is which or who is who, that's Gods job. But the tares clearly exist. Not everyone desires to be reconciled to the Father, and I think that may be where your argument falls apart.
I've prayed quite a bit for the lost as is our duty to do so, not nearly as much as I should, to my shame. And I have asked the Father many times, "Are you really gonna give Satan the victory here?" I never really got a response. But as I type this, it occurs to me that Satan himself, was once the anointed cherub, the most beautiful of all Gods creations. Satan came from the Father, and has fathered many children of his own. By your reasoning, Satan, who came from the Father should be reconciled as well, should he not? Satan's children did not come from the Father, there's nothing to reconcile.
NotTheRock
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You don't understand the scriptures, God's plan or God's nature. You accuse me of calling our Lord & Savior a liar in an attempt to win an argument and further augment your Himalayan ego.
NotTheRock
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Jesus Wept
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We disagree Rock, that's all. You're free to jump to whatever conclusions suit you.
I too, would love to see the whole world reconciled to the Father. But there is the way I wish things to be, and the way things actually are.
Christ preached repent or burn.
You suggest that my Christ is a failure, but that makes your Christ a liar.
I'm gonna move along now.
Blessings and peace.
YES, a mystery of God, ALL WILL;
Believe IN Him;
Bend Down, Bow, (ie. worship) Him)
And YET the mystery… Not All will be Saved.
The Mystery… Timing…When…How….Why.
Why… fulfills Prophecy.
When…Judgement.
How…
* Power of God;
* Raises All bodys “standing” before the Judge.
* souls (which All Belong to God) is returned to body.
* souls, in a body…(make/ allow the body’s
Eyes to see,
Nose to smell,
Mouth to speak,
Tongue to taste,
Ears to hear,
Flesh to feel touch,
* Seeing, The Judge, that body Will Believe.
Timing…body IS “Void / without it own “Blood Life”
Mysterious “dilemma”…
* Salvation is a Promised Gift to a man, WHOSE Confession of Belief…
* IS confessed / IS True …while the man’s Body IS Alive IN it’s OWN “Blood Life”.
Such men, DID NOT believe While they were alive IN their own Blood Life.
They shall Confess Belief, While ONLY Gods Life (Gods Breath, in the Soul)… which Ofcource… believes.
Mystery …
Prophecy All will Believe… Fulfilled
Prophecy Not All Shall be Saved…Fulfilled
Isa 45:
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom.14
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Matt 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The Will of the Father IS for a man “alive in his Own Life (Blood), to Truly, Heartfully, Believe, BEFORE his Bodily Life (Blood) Dies.”
Many Doors exist while a man is alive in his own Life (blood)…that such man can enter;
Doors … of Sin, evil, wickedness, deceit, etc.
Doors … of Forgiveness, Love, prosperity, safety, peace, etc.
Timing…
Belief… without A mans Own Blood Life.
Belief… after the door for entering is Shut.
Once the Master… Shuts the Door to His Kingdom…No Others Can Enter.
None could enter… Noah’s Ark, once God shut the Door.
None can enter …Christs Church, once Christ shuts the door.
None can enter … Gods Heavenly Kingdom, once God shuts the door.
Glory to God,
Taken
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