I do not. We just differ on what we considered fulfilled or not fulfilled.
I think? You can correct me if I am wrong.
Where do people get the spiritual authority?
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I do not. We just differ on what we considered fulfilled or not fulfilled.
I think? You can correct me if I am wrong.
Lots of churches because they refuse to acknowledge the presence of the earthly authority left by Jesus.
Except that I think we must take Paul's words seriously and consider that things began going off course and being tainted by the flesh as soon as he was gone......I mean even while he was alive the church was embattled by false teachers/teachings which Paul was always having to fight and correct. Maybe you can get some glimpses of how things were from post-Apostolic writings, but oh my, you have to discern and test those writings against.......the teachings and writings and spirit of the original apostles and Jesus.
I was hoping to clarify and understand some of your beliefs better, but it's ok. But I gather you aren't agreeing with some of the "duality" of things that I was talking about then.
The first clue for me was when I noticed how not only is the gospel to the Jew first, then the Gentile, but also it says "tribulation and anguish upon the souls of all who do evil, the Jew first, then the Gentile"......so judgment is to the Jew first, then the Gentile as well. And God hasn't judged the Gentiles (world) yet, but will in the end, as I understand it. This scripture came to my attention as well:
Rom 3:5-6
But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
All true but Jesus gave authority to Peter as evidenced by the keys to the kingdom of heaven that Jesus gave him. There is an authority, humans just choose to ignore it.
Oh? Is that the disqualifier that scriptures teach? Funny....those same churches used to have the spirit and presence of God.
The keys to the kingdom have been given to the whole church in general. Priesthood of all believers. And Christ is the invisible Head of His church, though like the wind we see the evidence of it, where He is not being quenched and where others are not trying to stand in His place (antichrist).
Your predictions must come true, otherwise you are only fooling yourself.
This world is never going to end. The only end was the age of that time. Ages, continue to come and go.
All people die and they are judged. God judged the world (earth - that land) when he poured out his wrath upon those people as per Revelation.
I believe what continues is the ever going Kingdom today, some on the outside some on the inside according to Revelation 21-22.
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No I do not believe in Double Prophecy of future events. All of it took place at one time. That is what I believe personally.
During the destruction of Jerusalem I believe that the church bride of Christ was made up of Jewish people, and Gentile people whom were all in Christ, seen him and were taken as promised.
During the destruction of Jerusalem I believe that the church bride of Christ was made up of Jewish people, and Gentile people whom were all in Christ, seen him and were taken as promised.
@nedsk,
There is no perfect brick and mortar church.
That is just a bunch of lies.
It’s shocking that some church’s offer all kinds of things even healings of the body etc…
Just a bunch of drama and fraud and broken hearts.
There was one perfect, blameless, holy Church Bride which was not made up of brick and mortar laid down, but within those human beings whom were written to at that time whom were taken.
Yahavah/God lives in the heart of people today.
Moving them to motions of love, which come by and through the spirit of Christ.
I don’t put my faith on any brick and mortar church .
There is no perfect brick and mortar church.
That is just a bunch of lies.
It’s shocking that some church’s offer all kinds of things even healings of the body etc…
Just a bunch of drama and fraud and broken hearts.
There was one perfect, blameless, holy Church Bride which was not made up of brick and mortar laid down, but within those human beings whom were written to at that time whom were taken.
Yahavah/God lives in the heart of people today.
Moving them to motions of love, which come by and through the spirit of Christ.
I don’t put my faith on any brick and mortar church .
I agree. I do seem to see/observe a pattern setting up that is just like what the scriptures say about the end of this age. Times of the Gentiles will have an end.
ok, now I understand where you're coming from, thanks.
Thank you for clarifying what you believe. I wasn't sure I understood some of the things you were saying, but now it is clear.
First no one has ever suggested there is a "perfect" brick and mortar church
Second any church that includes humans will be imperfect but perfection isnt needed for an authoritative church.
Third the fact that there is no "perfect" brick or mortar church doesnt mean there isnt an authoritative church.
Fourth people ignore authority all the time. That doesnt mean there is no authority.
The fact is Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom and said the netherworld will not prevail against it. Period. End of story. Peter wasnt and didnt need to be perfect.
Why don't you place Yahavah/God as the authority?
People can't ignore authority when a person gets caught by the police. That is why we have it.
Or Managers with authority.
Or mom and dad with authority over the child.
No person can have the authority in saying the bible is written to us, exactly but people make it as though it is so.
I don't get it personally. No one can get in the way of the relationship a person has with God, through Yeshua.
They have absolutely no authority over that.
There is absolutely no authority when it comes to people saying the Bible is directly written to us, when it was written for us to have.
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As I mentioned before, Peter was also singled out by Jesus and told to feed His lambs.....does that mean nobody else in the body of Christ feeds His lambs? The church is told to edify ITSELF in love.
God gives what is good indeed, there is nothing wrong with what He pours out and gives to the church, but the problem He has is with our uncrucified flesh...the flesh of man, especially the carnal mind (ENMITY with God because it feeds from the wrong Tree) takes the good things that God gives and makes them into something they are not meant to be. The natural man can't perceive the things of the Spirit.....he sees spiritual truths through the lens of worldly concepts.
Youre ignoring the clear explicit declaration that Peter has the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Do you understand the symbolism of keys? the natural man Peter was chosen to have authority in the church.
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