I have demonstrated elsewhere that these passages are in the context of the Jews rejecting their Messiah. The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is committed only by the nation of Israel in their rejection of Christ. The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can not be committed in the Church Age.
Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?
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Hiddenthings
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pandaflower
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I have no problem with holding to the traditional Gospel. Being it is traditional it has none of the later revisions.
It is not a fault in the least.
Hiddenthings
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What's important is you know the "original Gospel" is available when you are ready to search for it.
pandaflower
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It isn't clever to be cryptic.
The original Gospel is Jesus. Which is why this Christian knows her faith is grounded in solid rock. One that is eternally secure in Jesus.
Hiddenthings
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Truth is hidden so cryptic isn't entirely the wrong word choice.
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures,
3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh
4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, Romans 1:1–7
Here is a good place for you to start.
Understanding the Gospel of God and how its fulfilled in Jesus is another good place for you to start.
pandaflower
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As I stated earlier, cryptic isn't clever.
The truth is, you don't know what we are talking about.
You are here to try to talk us out of feeling secure in his word.
Nothing you have said is Bible.
I suggest you start to realize, we see that.
Hiddenthings
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No, Panda, you're seriously mistaken. If you review your previous posts, you'll notice that you rarely quote Scripture. The issue you're facing right now is that I'm consistently quoting the Bible, and that's where your struggle lies. As I said "Original Gospel" is what you should seek, and if you do, I'm confident my Heavenly Father can open the way and reveal its light to you.
Agree, John 6 speaks much to these things as does John also say the same in his other writings.
Many Disciples Turn Away
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Amen...it's only true for whosoever believes on Him. We cant' take that one verse and isolate it from the whole counsel of God as set out in other scriptures.
I believe marks expressed that verse as being a "statement of intent", if I'm understanding him correctly. It has been accomplished for the whole world but only applies to those who believe/receive Christ. It's like everyone has been freed to walk out of debtor's prison so to speak, the door has been unlocked and opened for all, but not everyone will take the opportunity to walk through that door into the freedom that has been bought for them.
Even in the OC, a gentile could join themselves to the Lord and become a part of the covenant with God they had back then.
Isaiah 56
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
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Very happy to be in this New covenant as it is so much better than the old.
Hebrews 8
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Christ is our mediator, high priest, intercessor to God for us.
Christ never prays for the world of the unbelieving.
Intercession is only made for the saints according to God's will
Romans 8
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [g]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
John 17
6 “I have [c]manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep[d] through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
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amigo de christo
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if a man chooses to believe a lie
rather than the truth , whose fault is that . it would be the fault of such a one .
The sheep , whose love would be of the truth , of the LORD , follow the bidding of the SPIRIT
which guides them into all TRUTH .
And when sheep see those in any dissumalation , in sin and error
Correction time .
Let love be WITHOUT dissumlation .
And yet the version of todays love i see in most churches
has caused GREAT DISSUMLATION from the TRUTH .
PUAL corrected dissumlation . As he did with peter and all others if he seen error .
Many today seem to love this love that dissumulates FROM the one true gospel
FROM the one true JESUS the CHRIST .
And it has led them into only greater and greater darkness .
LOVE , if it be of GOD , would have REJOICED IN THE TRUTH , not in a lie , not in inquity , IN TRUTH .
And every lovely word of the LORD , IS TRUTH . AS HE IS TRUTH and in HIM IS no darkness
The LOVE OF GOD shed upon the heart of the sheep
is not like the love of the world . But do beware
for the love of the world can come cloaked as though tis love
and with good works , But it will come to shut out the TRUTH of the GOSPEL
and make the road to GOD very broad , sin accepting , unbeleif accepting . The devil is a liar
and he can twist any word , any scrip and will always present
twisted truths to implant a lie and NOT THE TRUTH . FOR THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIIM .
Eternally Grateful
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Amen. It’s sad that it happens from those who represent God (at least claim they do)
amigo de christo
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Its very obvious indeed .
For GOD has chosen by the preaching of the gospel to save those who .............
now i just wonder what follows that statment .
OH yeah , BELIEVES .
Look even at revelation . LET WHO SO EVER WILL COME .
A gift is a gift but if one recieves it not , HE has not the gift .
Even a child could have seen that .
If a child is given three presents
and opens two but rejects the third , WELL THEN HE has not that present .
What was the main thing that Christ taught to the apostles
and later they went about warning and persuading men to do .
BELEIVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
But this generation wants so badly to find a way around HAVING to beleive
and had rather just believe in a love , or really a lie , that seems to omit the beleive in CHRIST JESUS part
and holler just believe in love . KINDA ODD dont ya think .
Because Had it actually BEEN LOVE , THE LOVE OF GOD
GUESS WHO IT HAD POINTED TOO and REMINDED ALL TO BELEIVE ON HIM TO BE SAVED .
DRUM ROLL ..................JESUS THE CHRIST .
Eternally Grateful
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Sadly OSAS seems attributed to Calvinism. So when you’re trying to defeat what you claim is an enemy (which many claim calvinists are their enemy). They must defeat all their beliefs. OSAs being one of them
Most of what I see in the anti OSAS group is anti Calvin at the heart of you can see it by how the see things we do
Not even believe (usually a Calvinist view) and can not comprehend that we do
Not believe what they accuse us
Eternally Grateful
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this is a dangerous view. All scripure is God breathed. Able to make a man complete. This includes hebrews
Eternally Grateful
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Yes. We see what we want to see not what it says. I have been guilty myself. May still be in some areas
amigo de christo
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In the day ye eat of the tree in the midst of the garden ye SHALL SURELY DIE .
along came a serpent and sat down beside her and said SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE .
And death came upon all ever since .
BUT GOD in HIS mercy and Grace , FOR HE SO LOVED the WORLD
SENT HIS only begotten SON
so that all who do beleive in him WOULD NOT PERISH
but have everlasting life .
Along came a serpent and said NAY ye shall not surely perish if one believes not for GOD is love he says ,
BUT , BUT john wrote ,
HERE is the LOVE OF GOD
That we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS . TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love one another
But along comes the serpent and says
NAY this is the love of GOD , dont judge for there are good people in all religoins
just love just find common ground . Live and let live
Man he sure is a liar aint he .
The one key thing i see in todays churchey do love
is , IT sure do contradict THE TRUTH OF GOD , OF THE GOSPEL
and promises them life as is and so none does repent of his wickedness .
And who ya THINK planted that kind of love upon this generation . ALong came a serpent and sad down
beside her , AKA THE CHURCHES , and said HAS GOD really said ............................
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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it is unbelief that condemns. The sin issue it resolved
He who believes is not condemned
He who does not believe remains condemned because they do not believe
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