Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[Muna]

yes..

But Christ was not just mere man. he was not born with a sin nature, he was not in adam.

He is God come to earth.

I just added a verse of scripture.

Thought it would help anyone who might wonder where that is spoken of more specifically.

 

[Lizbeth]

πολιτεία
politeia
pol-ee-ti'-ah
From G4177 (“polity”); citizenship; concretely a community: - commonwealth, freedom.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

The second place is:

Acts 22:28 KJV
And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

I don't see this as "a grouping of nations".

Meanwhile,

Philippians 3:20 LITV
For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

This "citizenship" is from:

ίτευμα
politeuma
pol-it'-yoo-mah
From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

We are not "spiritual Jews". We are grafted into Abraham. We are not the "spiritual children" of Jacob, we are the spiritual children of Abraham.

Much love!

He is a Jew who is a Jew inwardly...by becoming a new creation.

Yes, commonwealth being a community of nations....sounds about right. Which all have been "freed" to join when we come to Christ, both Jew and Gentile. It's like how nations that were founded by Britain all belong to the British Commonwealth....Canada, New Zealand, Australia and other nations of the British Empire before they obtained their independence from Britain.

Being no more aliens from the commonwealth means being no more foreigners, which means we have joined it.........fellowcitizens of it as it says further on in that portion of scripture.

 

[pandaflower]

yes..

But Christ was not just mere man. he was not born with a sin nature, he was not in adam.

He is God come to earth.

As God said of himself in his word,yes.

I find an interesting parallel as I think on those who think Jesus was a mortal man with a sin nature. Those same people also defend what you rightly called, ISMS.

They defend the power of the mind to save the flesh. Because the soul belongs to God.When they don't accept Jesus was God,the word,in human form how can they think God saves their soul? When they talk about their ability to choose to save themselves? And conversely,to also be able to choose to lose their salvation themselves.

The doctrine of I and Me.

 

[Lizbeth]

The unbelievers have been bought also. Does your theology allow for this?

Jesus has paid the ransom for everyone, yes......but not everyone will accept it. The bible says only a remnant will be saved. Salvation is by faith. People can be forgiven but refuse to accept the forgiveness and thus remain unreconciled to God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The truth is, Jesus was not born as a regular mortal man with a corresponding sin nature.

The Apostles taught so.

Our Savior cannot be a sinner and then save us.Because the question then is,who saved him first? So that he could save us next.

He did no personal sin correct - so how did Jesus die to sin once?

I've read postings at other forums over time. I like to focused on the theology boards and Bible study posts.
I cannot recall anyone who insisted the Bible teaches what @Hiddenthings defends here.

Everything they've said is contrary to everything related to our divine Lord and Savior

And what if you discovered it was all true? That Jesus was actually made perfect and became the source of your salvation as the Bible teaches?

From Son of Man to the Son of God with Power!

Everything the Bible taught about the Christ was true and it was apostate Christianity was change him into a lie?

 

[Hiddenthings]

yes..

But Christ was not just mere man. he was not born with a sin nature, he was not in adam.

He is God come to earth.

In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul writes: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

@pandaflower, notice how some Christians in this forum say one thing, while the Bible clearly teaches the opposite.

Now, Panda, I can almost guarantee that Eternally will either dismiss this entirely or respond with a deflection. The truth is, the inspired apostles no longer serve as their teachers concerning the true Christ. Instead, they've chosen blind guides, which is why Eternally can write the post above with no real understanding of the true nature of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I promise you the more you start to see this happen you can't unsee it.

 

[MatthewG]

While Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which is located in the geographical region of Israel, and is considered by Christians to be the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies regarding Israel, the concept of Jesus as "true Israel" is a theological one. It signifies that Jesus embodies the faithfulness and righteousness that the nation of Israel was meant to embody but ultimately failed to fully achieve.


@Truly.

 

[marks]

.When they don't accept Jesus was God,the word,in human form how can they think God saves their soul?

Not everyone who claims faith is reborn, and some are indeed intent on deceiving. This may not be their concern, only to pull Christians away from their faith.

Anyone who does not recognize that Jesus is God Himself come to earth as a man lets me know in that way their fundamentaly flawwed way of reading the Scriptures.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Not everyone who claims faith is reborn, and some are indeed intent on deceiving. This may not be their concern, only to pull Christians away from their faith.

Anyone who does not recognize that Jesus is God Himself come to earth as a man lets me know in that way their fundamentaly flawwed way of reading the Scriptures.

Much love!

Out of interest Marks, if you discovered this to be false?

 

[MatthewG]

While Jesus' sacrifice on the cross atoned for the sins of the world, Christians hold differing views on the extent of its impact. Some believe that Jesus' sacrifice atoned for the sins of all humanity, past, present, and future, while others believe it atones only for those who accept Jesus as their savior.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul writes: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

@pandaflower, notice how some Christians in this forum say one thing, while the Bible clearly teaches the opposite.

Now, Panda, I can almost guarantee that Eternally will either dismiss this entirely or respond with a deflection. The truth is, the inspired apostles no longer serve as their teachers concerning the true Christ. Instead, they've chosen blind guides, which is why Eternally can write the post above with no real understanding of the true nature of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I promise you the more you start to see this happen you can't unsee it.

If Jesus was a mere man he could pay for one persons sin. His righteous life for one other

Not the whole human race

 

[pandaflower]

Not everyone who claims faith is reborn, and some are indeed intent on deceiving. This may not be their concern, only to pull Christians away from their faith.

Anyone who does not recognize that Jesus is God Himself come to earth as a man lets me know in that way their fundamentaly flawwed way of reading the Scriptures.

Much love!

Excellent truth right there. Amen brother.Amen!

I believe God tasks us with the responsibility to recognize such deceit. And not let it go without our saying something so to correct that. And insure those true in heart are not deceived.

That what is hidden in the darkness will always come to be exposed through the light of Christ.

 

[pandaflower]

While Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which is located in the geographical region of Israel, and is considered by Christians to be the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies regarding Israel, the concept of Jesus as "true Israel" is a theological one. It signifies that Jesus embodies the faithfulness and righteousness that the nation of Israel was meant to embody but ultimately failed to fully achieve.


@Truly.

Google AI is a great resource isn't it?

 

[Hiddenthings]

If Jesus was a mere man he could pay for one persons sin. His righteous life for one other

Not the whole human race

@pandaflower see!

The type of response a disciple of Christ would respond is:

Acts 17:11 (ESV): "Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."

Eternally didn’t engage with the Word or show any genuine effort to understand the mind of the Apostle Paul. She’s already made up her mind, and no matter what the Bible actually teaches, her belief won’t change.

They could ask the question "why was it important Jesus be the last Adam?" or "what is the connection between the first and last Adam"

The answers could bring them closer to the Word of God in the Last Adam.

 

[MatthewG]

Google AI is a great resource isn't it?

It's a great benefit.

 

[pandaflower]

@pandaflower see!

The type of response a disciple of Christ would respond is:

Acts 17:11 (ESV): "Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."

Eternally didn’t engage with the Word or show any genuine effort to understand the mind of the Apostle Paul. She’s already made up her mind, and no matter what the Bible actually teaches, her belief won’t change.

They could ask the question "why was it important Jesus be the last Adam?" or "what is the connection between the first and last Adam"

The answers could bring them closer to the Word of God in the Last Adam.

Here's the thing,as I see it.

Jesus,also called Immanuel,meaning,God with us,was born without a sin nature.
He understood and related to human suffering because being in his divine nature he was well aware of the human condition. Which is why he was here.

In the beginning.

See that?

Was the word. And the word was with God.

See that?

And the word was God.
​

And the word became flesh. And dwelt among us.

And you shall call his name,Immanuel . Meaning,God with us.

See that?

He,Jesus,Immanuel,became sin in taking the sins of the world upon himself at Calvary. He,who knew no sin. Because he was the unblemished,sinless,lamb slain for the sins of the world before this world came to be.

If you don't see that in my Father's words,you don't know my Jesus at all.

I do.

I pray you learn to accept,humble yourself,that what you think you know is an error that will cost you for eternity.

If you do not hear God calling you to his truth.

I promise. You will feel better if you find him.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here's the thing,as I see it.

Jesus,also called Immanuel,meaning,God with us,was born without a sin nature.
He understood and related to human suffering because being in his divine nature he was well aware of the human condition. Which is why he was here.

In the beginning.

See that?

Was the word. And the word was with God.

See that?

And the word was God.
​

And the word became flesh. And dwelt among us.

And you shall call his name,Immanuel . Meaning,God with us.

See that?

He,Jesus,Immanuel,became sin in taking the sins of the world upon himself at Calvary. He,who knew no sin. Because he was the unblemished,sinless,lamb slain for the sins of the world before this world came to be.

If you don't see that in my Father's words,you don't know my Jesus at all.

I do.

I pray you learn to accept,humble yourself,that what you think you know is an error that will cost you for eternity.

If you do not hear God calling you to his truth.

I promise. You will feel better if you find him.

I wasn't asking you to try and prove your beliefs, Panda.

I was demonstrating how a Christian can say one thing and then the Word can teach another.

You have fell into the same trap as Eternally.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@pandaflower see!

The type of response a disciple of Christ would respond is:

Acts 17:11 (ESV): "Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."

Eternally didn’t engage with the Word or show any genuine effort to understand the mind of the Apostle Paul. She’s already made up her mind, and no matter what the Bible actually teaches, her belief won’t change.

They could ask the question "why was it important Jesus be the last Adam?" or "what is the connection between the first and last Adam"

The answers could bring them closer to the Word of God in the Last Adam.

lol. You did not even come back

Is it because you know I am
Right.

Yes Jesus is the second Adam. He was fully human

But he was not a mere
Man.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I wasn't asking you to try and prove your beliefs, Panda.

I was demonstrating how a Christian can say one thing and then the Word can teach another.

You have fell into the same trap as Eternally.

You have not posted scripture which shows us wrong. You posted 1 passage. Which did not refute anything we said

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have not posted scripture which shows us wrong. You posted 1 passage. Which did not refute anything we said

All you need is a little humility Eternally. I don't need to draw attention to what you said and what the Bible teaches.

Be honest.