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Well done for recognizing the clay as Israel,(Lam 4 2, Ezek 4.1, Isa 64.8 ) most don't, but it has to be, the final battle is iron verses clay, Exek 4.1-3. With the Lord allowing it as judgment on Israel, but they will be saved out it. That the end of the trouble of Jacob. Then Zech 13.7+
So the surrounding nations against israel
Also I treat Dan 11 the King of the South as Israel, king of the North, the AC as king of Assyria, and the coalition. Nahum 3.18
North and south kings are here in these last days.
 

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North and south kings are here in these last days.
Keiw, not yet I don't believe, the KoS maybe, but under a different leader if Dan 11.22 (both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed) is saying what I believe it is saying, but the KoN appears to begin at Dan 11.4 and the actual AC at Dan 11.21.
In my view we have a time to go before Dan 7.6b occurs. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.
See also Dan 8.8, 22.
 

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North and south kings are here in these last days.
For what it is worth.... I would ask that you might consider why the KOS and the KON are mentioned at the beginning of chapter 11 and then at the end of chapter 11. That might tell you something..... and then you can begin to unpack the large middle section of chapter 11....
 

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For what it is worth.... I would ask that you might consider why the KOS and the KON are mentioned at the beginning of chapter 11 and then at the end of chapter 11. That might tell you something..... and then you can begin to unpack the large middle section of chapter 11....

Are KOS and KON human kings, humm?
 

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No, it isn't. Jesus interpreted Zechariah 13:7 in relation to His first coming, not His second coming, so we should trust that Jesus understood what the verse is about and not try to change it.
Yeah, it is. Prophecies can be re-fulfilled, and this is demonstrated multiple times across the New Testament.

The whole book of Matthew is built around the idea of Jesus fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies. Many of them are plucked out of context. Most of them were already fulfilled before that time. Mark and Luke cover the same material. Paul applies the same principle in his letters.

It appears that (re-)filling the Scriptures was an intent of Jesus and the Apostles. Shall we not use the same guidepost to order our actions?
 

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Below are the relevant verses in Daniel (stopped at Chapter 7) that discuss how many kingdoms are found, and my interpretations on those verses. Please consider.


Chapter 2

Dream Sequence:


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“You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. 32This image’s head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and [k]thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of [l]clay.

Here Daniel is telling us the “structure” of the kingdoms in this great image. Except for the head, each of the next 3 kingdoms are identified with having 2 body parts. The only kingdom that is symbolized with more than one metal component is the 4th which has a “clay” component WITHIN IT. This is because the clay will represent the Jewish people.


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You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.

The “Stone” (Messiah at His first coming) will strike the feet (not the legs) and break “them” (iron and clay components only) into pieces. This will symbolically separate the Jewish people from being encased in pagan Rome. The Jews expected their Messiah to come and destroy the iron legs and feet of pagan Rome, but Jesus did not come to destroy but to “divide.” Symbolically, the cross is the action that would separate the clay into two separate parts: the “pottery clay” would represent those Jews who would accept Him as their Messiah (after the cross) and preach the Good News to the world, while the “ceramic” clay represents those Jews who were “hardened” and would reject Him. And of course, the iron would still be iron along with the rest of the legs of pagan Rome.

Note: 2:35 represents His second coming where all things are destroyed.




Interpretation Sequence:

36...Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold. 39But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.

Within these “interpretation sequence” verses, Daniel identifies the 4 and only 4 kingdoms. And in verse 40, he reveals the 4th kingdom (pagan Rome – iron kingdom) will break in pieces and crush all the others (the other 3 kingdoms… no, they did not directly destroy Babylon, Medes-Persia, or Greece, but they destroyed ALL “OTHER NATIONS). Meaning, 2:34 did not destroy the entire image but only separated the iron and the clay within the feet.


So, within Chapter 2, Daniel reveals twice there are 4 and only 4 kingdoms found in the metal man image. The breaking of the two components of iron and clay within the feet does not create a 5th kingdom. It only separates the two symbolic materials.




Chapter 7

Dream Sequence:


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And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.5“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’6“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet.

Here, Daniel is given his own dream where God reveals the same 4 and only 4 kingdoms that come out of the sea (instability / turmoil). It also confirms the 4th beast kingdom of iron (pagan Rome) is the same 4th kingdom that is so destructive as the 4th kingdom in Chapter 2. And notice, there is no mention whatsoever of a 5th kingdom.



4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome):

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“I watched then because of the sound of the [f]pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

Here, Daniel is telling us the 4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome) will be slain and its body destroyed. The timing of this is approx.. 476 BC. The “rest of the beasts” (Babylon, Medes-Persians and Greece) will never again come to power and rule over another kingdom, but of course, they (people, culture, etc.,) will continue living.

4th beast kingdom (papal Rome):

17‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four [h]kings which arise out of the earth. 19“Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke Daniel 7 NKJVpompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

Once again, Daniel confirm there are 4 and only 4 kingdoms / beasts that come out of the earth (God has selected these 4 and only 4 kingdoms to reveal His plan of salvation in). However, Daniel is having difficulty recognizing this [new / different] 4th beast; it was different from “all the others,” and here “the others” would include pagan Rome which he saw before it was slain. These verses reveal the 4 kingdoms AFTER pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed. Still 4 kingdoms but this [new or replaced power] now is revealed not only with “teeth of iron” but now with “nails of bronze.” Now, this 4th beast kingdom has 10 horns coming out of it and a little horn coming out of it after the 10. This “4th beast” doesn’t look at all like the 4th beast he saw earlier. In Chapter 2, the Stone broke into pieces the iron and clay within the feet. As a consequence of the only event in Chapter 2, we find in Chapter 7 there are now two additional entities that have “come out” of pagan Rome (BEFORE the demise of pagan Rome) – the 10 horns and the little horn.


Interpretation Sequence:

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“Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,


Here is the Chapter 7 interpretation sequence, Gabriel reveals the truth about this [new] 4th kingdom that Daniel does not recognize and wants to know more about. This 4th beast will be different from “all the other kingdoms” – this would include pagan Rome but Gabriel still tells him there are only 4. But there will be 10 kings that WERE earlier referred to as “horns,” and another “little horn” that shall arise after them who will subdue 3 of the 10. Apparently, the “little horn” has grown in power and has now subdued 3 of the 10 that came out of pagan Rome initially.
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Are KOS and KON human kings, humm?
To me yes, and from v 21, the AC will appear even though he doesn't seem to be revealed until v 31 as described in 2 Thess. Maybe only those who are not in darkness will recognize his arrival earlier.
First in the natural, then in the spiritual..
 

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Below are the relevant verses in Daniel (stopped at Chapter 7) that discuss how many kingdoms are found, and my interpretations on those verses. Please consider.


Chapter 2

Dream Sequence:


31
“You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. 32This image’s head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and [k]thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of [l]clay.

Here Daniel is telling us the “structure” of the kingdoms in this great image. Except for the head, each of the next 3 kingdoms are identified with having 2 body parts. The only kingdom that is symbolized with more than one metal component is the 4th which has a “clay” component WITHIN IT. This is because the clay will represent the Jewish people.


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You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.

The “Stone” (Messiah at His first coming) will strike the feet (not the legs) and break “them” (iron and clay components only) into pieces. This will symbolically separate the Jewish people from being encased in pagan Rome. The Jews expected their Messiah to come and destroy the iron legs and feet of pagan Rome, but Jesus did not come to destroy but to “divide.” Symbolically, the cross is the action that would separate the clay into two separate parts: the “pottery clay” would represent those Jews who would accept Him as their Messiah (after the cross) and preach the Good News to the world, while the “ceramic” clay represents those Jews who were “hardened” and would reject Him. And of course, the iron would still be iron along with the rest of the legs of pagan Rome.

Note: 2:35 represents His second coming where all things are destroyed.




Interpretation Sequence:

36...Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold. 39But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.

Within these “interpretation sequence” verses, Daniel identifies the 4 and only 4 kingdoms. And in verse 40, he reveals the 4th kingdom (pagan Rome – iron kingdom) will break in pieces and crush all the others (the other 3 kingdoms… no, they did not directly destroy Babylon, Medes-Persia, or Greece, but they destroyed ALL “OTHER NATIONS). Meaning, 2:34 did not destroy the entire image but only separated the iron and the clay within the feet.


So, within Chapter 2, Daniel reveals twice there are 4 and only 4 kingdoms found in the metal man image. The breaking of the two components of iron and clay within the feet does not create a 5th kingdom. It only separates the two symbolic materials.




Chapter 7

Dream Sequence:


3
And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.5“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’6“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet.

Here, Daniel is given his own dream where God reveals the same 4 and only 4 kingdoms that come out of the sea (instability / turmoil). It also confirms the 4th beast kingdom of iron (pagan Rome) is the same 4th kingdom that is so destructive as the 4th kingdom in Chapter 2. And notice, there is no mention whatsoever of a 5th kingdom.



4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome):

11
“I watched then because of the sound of the [f]pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

Here, Daniel is telling us the 4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome) will be slain and its body destroyed. The timing of this is approx.. 476 BC. The “rest of the beasts” (Babylon, Medes-Persians and Greece) will never again come to power and rule over another kingdom, but of course, they (people, culture, etc.,) will continue living.

4th beast kingdom (papal Rome):

17‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four [h]kings which arise out of the earth. 19“Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke Daniel 7 NKJVpompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.

Once again, Daniel confirm there are 4 and only 4 kingdoms / beasts that come out of the earth (God has selected these 4 and only 4 kingdoms to reveal His plan of salvation in). However, Daniel is having difficulty recognizing this [new / different] 4th beast; it was different from “all the others,” and here “the others” would include pagan Rome which he saw before it was slain. These verses reveal the 4 kingdoms AFTER pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed. Still 4 kingdoms but this [new or replaced power] now is revealed not only with “teeth of iron” but now with “nails of bronze.” Now, this 4th beast kingdom has 10 horns coming out of it and a little horn coming out of it after the 10. This “4th beast” doesn’t look at all like the 4th beast he saw earlier. In Chapter 2, the Stone broke into pieces the iron and clay within the feet. As a consequence of the only event in Chapter 2, we find in Chapter 7 there are now two additional entities that have “come out” of pagan Rome (BEFORE the demise of pagan Rome) – the 10 horns and the little horn.


Interpretation Sequence:

23
“Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25He shall speak ...
If its Rome, why does Dan 8.17,19,26 say its not till the 'time of the end' and even more specifically the 'time of wrath'
 

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Of course God came to set up His earthly kingdom which, according to Daniel, will never be destroyed but that is not what this (Daniel) is speaking about. There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms that come out of the earth or the sea. God's kingdom is not of this

The bit of mine you quoted was about Daniel 11. I know they're pretty close together, but I think Dan 8 is the end of one prophecy and chapter 9 starts a new prophecy. Daniel has several visions throughout those chapters. The symbols from chapter 8 don't necessarily correlate with the symbols in the later chapters.

I think the idea of "the end" and "the last" is pretty fluid in the books of prophecy. An argument can be made for it being "the end of the universe," but "the end of the age" and "the end of the nation" are competing views that shouldn't be trivial.
Daniel 12.13 reading of the term suggests maybe its referring the the very end. Even Dan 11.36 which presumably represents the AC, use the same wording as Dan 8.19. Dan 12.4 is a bit of a clue as well.
 

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FYI, why do you think God placed the KOS and KON at both ends of chapter 11? Who do you think are these entities? Do you think the "times of the Gentiles might be relevant to this?

The placement of the King of the South and the King of the North in Daniel 11 is highly intentional and prophetic. Contrary to the common claim that this chapter is about Antiochus IV Epiphanes and events around 180 BC, the vision is clearly far-reaching and concerns the spiritual conflict during the end times—specifically involving the New Testament Church and the rise of Satan’s final assault before the Second Coming.


Daniel 11 cannot be confined to historical events tied only to the desecration of the Second Temple. The chapter transitions through various ages but climaxes with events leading into the final tribulation. The angel’s explanation in Daniel 10:14 is key: “Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.” This time scope stretches well beyond Antiochus, and into the "time of the end" (Daniel 11:35, 40), or the "time of the Gentiles."

In this context, Media and Persia serve as a type—they represent the transition and blending of earthly kingdoms used by God to accomplish His judgment and purpose. But ultimately, they are shadows of spiritual realities in the New Testament era concerning the Corporate Church and her relationship with Satan.

The King of the South
in this vision symbolizes the Corporate Churchonce the faithful outward institution, but in the end compromised and apostate (cf. Revelation 2–3). The King of the North represents the kingdom of Satan, rising in power and deceit as the restrainer is removed (2 Thessalonians 2:6–10). These two entities—though seemingly opposed—eventually enter into agreement, just as Revelation 17:12–13 describes the ten horns (worldly powers) giving their kingdom to the Beast for a short time: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” In other words, they have joined forces against the Saints!

This spiritual convergence is what Jesus referred to as the Abomination of Desolation, standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15), when Satan takes his seat in the temple of God—that is, within the visible church itself (2 Thessalonians 2:4). This alliance between the King of the South and the King of the North is not political or national—it is spiritual betrayal.

This directly connects with what Jesus called the "times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24)—a period of divine judgment in which the outward, visible form of the church is handed over to be trampled underfoot. This is not referring to foreign armies invading a physical Jewish temple, but rather to false prophets, false christs, and unsaved people infiltrating the church, bringing apostasy and spiritual desolation within her walls. Revelation 11:2 mirrors this imagery, where the holy city is given to the Gentiles to tread underfoot for forty-two months—a symbolic period representing the church’s desecration by those who do not belong to Christ.

So yes, the structure of Daniel 11—North vs. South—ultimately climaxes in a spiritual unity in rebellion, setting the stage for the return of Christ and final judgment. This is not ancient history—it’s a prophecy being fulfilled in the time of the end.
 

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Of course God came to set up His earthly kingdom which, according to Daniel, will never be destroyed but that is not what this (Daniel) is speaking about. There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms that come out of the earth or the sea. God's kingdom is not of this world.

Not quite.

It is "the Old Testament concealed is the New Testament revealed." Yes, God uses the figures of 4 "diverse" beasts in Daniel, representing nations that fight against Israel. But those nations prefigured Satan's kingdom just as Israel prefigured the kingdom of God. This does not mean that Satan's kingdom is literal nations, nor that the one beast in Revelation 13 represents 7 physical or literal nations, nor tha tthe ten horns upon the beast are ten literal men. We cannot go back to the Old Testament earthly "types" to understand New Testament realities in the same way. For example, the literal Egypt is a type of the bondage of Satan's kingdom from where Christ set them free. Same with the literal nation of Babylon, it was a "type" of Satan's kingdom that held the children of Israel captive. Because God used these nations as types, doesn't mean that the types continue into the New Testament as literal nations. In fact, I think if we consider the issue carefully we can see this representation right in the very context of Daniel chapter 7:

Daniel 7:17-18
  • "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
  • But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
Here we have God illustrating these four beasts, and clearly declared that the saints of the most high shall take the kingdom. Now, what kingdom? It certainly cannot be the literal nations of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media, Greece or Rome. For though four kingdoms (four beasts) or tyrant rulers would invade Israel, bring her into captivity, usurp and treat her violently until the coming of John, yet Israel would be delivered and restored by Christ. But not the "Literal nation Israel" but the spiritual nation Israel, which suffered violence from the spiritual kingdom of Satan, which these nations merely "represented." These things are not so cut and dried as they may first appear!
 
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Daniel 12.13 reading of the term suggests maybe its referring the the very end. Even Dan 11.36 which presumably represents the AC, use the same wording as Dan 8.19. Dan 12.4 is a bit of a clue as well.
Most people can't see it, but Daniel 7 is a continuation of Daniel 2. When the great image of ch. 2 is broken apart into its individual components together (Dan 2:35), with the setting up of the KOG, that is timing of when the 4 kings of Dan 7 arise "out off the earth". The 4th king will subdue the other 3 kings for a time and a season. The 3 horns that are rooted up are not the same as the 3 kings that temporarily lose their dominion (for a time and season). The three horns are merely a part of the 4th kingdom of 10 horns. This 4th kingdom will unite with the other 3 kingdoms (refer to the leopard bear and lion of Rev 13) to give rise to the great image of Daniel 2, for a very short time before it is broken into its pieces.
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FYI, why do you think God placed the KOS and KON at both ends of chapter 11? Who do you think are these entities? Do you think the "times of the Gentiles might be relevant to this?
As I see things, the KoN and KoS as different ideologies, spearheaded by different institutions. They are the NT global spiritual counterparts to the OT literal local powers that were enemies to Israel. Today, they are both enemies to spiritual Israel, the church, and to each other.
 
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As I see things, the KoN and KoS as different ideologies, spearheaded by different institutions. They are the NT global spiritual counterparts to the OT literal local powers that were enemies to Israel. Today, they are both enemies to spiritual Israel, the church, and to each other.
That's interesting. Can you say a little more? Name names?
 

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As I see things, the KoN and KoS as different ideologies, spearheaded by different institutions. They are the NT global spiritual counterparts to the OT literal local powers that were enemies to Israel. Today, they are both enemies to spiritual Israel, the church, and to each other.
Thanks for your thoughts! The book of Daniel is extremely difficult to understand and interpret. And chapter 11 clearly surpasses the other 11 chapters... it is on the 100 floor while the others are near the street level.

But it is about the Messiah, His church, the appropriation of His church, the coming of the little horn who will continue until the end. The kingdoms of the Medes and Persians AND the transition to his 4 generals are quickly dispensed with by the end of 11:4. There will be no further discussion on them. And now, God will continue with His plan of salvation that reveals His prohecies after the cross.

In chapter 2, God gave us His blueprint of His plan of restoration and salvation for His people and their return to Jerusalem. His plan would show the travel of His people from their exile to Babylon through the kingdoms (structure) and through the most important prophecy in Daniel - the 70 weeks of years prophecy of chapter 9.

So Daniel is about this path back to Jerusalem and their restoration. It culminates in the full restoration of His people, Jerusalem, the ceremonies, the sabbatical cycles, the 7 feast days, etc. They are now completely back home sitting quite comfortably by the end of the 483 year of the 490 years prophecy. However, we certainly know they are held captive within the 4th kingdom beast of pagan Rome.

Then we find the cross in chapter 9, and then we move on to chapter 11 - this entire chapter except for 11:1-4 which puts the other kingdoms of the metal man behind us, brings us to the time after the cross to the little horn rising to the top of the new / replaced 4th beast kingdom of Rome.... which will become known as papal Rome.
 

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Most people can't see it, but Daniel 7 is a continuation of Daniel 2. When the great image of ch. 2 is broken apart into its individual components together (Dan 2:35), with the setting up of the KOG, that is timing of when the 4 kings of Dan 7 arise "out off the earth". The 4th king will subdue the other 3 kings for a time and a season. The 3 horns that are rooted up are not the same as the 3 kings that temporarily lose their dominion (for a time and season). The three horns are merely a part of the 4th kingdom of 10 horns. This 4th kingdom will unite with the other 3 kingdoms (refer to the leopard bear and lion of Rev 13) to give rise to the great image of Daniel 2, for a very short time before it is broken into its pieces.
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I'd suggest the 3 kings are the same. Probably the three from Dan 11.41 Moab, Ammon and Edom, who are also 3 of the 10 nations from Psalm 83. Also two of them are Lots descendants, Gen 19.38,39. That's identified as the reason for their reprieve in Dan 11.41. Deut 2 explains it. Dan 7.5 could also be indicating who was responsible for their being subdued as stated in Dan 7.24.