Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Zao is life]

Had you forgotten act 15:7? is it why you are angry? and No I never contradict Christ that I follow, all I write is to call back people to Christ that they have forgotten and have replaced by another to such an extent that they have forgotten the words of Christ and believe false doctrine invented by men.

Let's go to Acts 15:10:

Now therefore why tempt ye YHVH, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter was speaking to the Jews about a yoke that neither the fathers of the Jews nor the Jews of their generation were able to bear.

The purpose of the commandments is to:-

1. Teach us the difference between what is wrong and what is right and to do what is right: "All scripture is given by inspiration of YHVH, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of YHVH may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

2. Expose us as sinners whose breaking of the commandments brings us death, not life, and thereby to teach us to come to Christ (who fulfilled the law) for our salvation.

Obviously this does not mean that we willfully go disobeying the commandments by living as we please, but the way to obey the commandments is to fulfill the commandments the way Jesus did - by loving our neigbors as ourselves to the point of loving even our enemies, and to love one another,

and the only way that sort of fruit can be produced in us is not through our flesh obeying the commandments, but by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which is given to us through faith in Him, which changes our hearts from within and writes God's law of love on our hearts, and putting it in our minds.

I'm sure you love God. But the things you are arguing for shows that you're placing your faith in the shadow and on obedience by the flesh to the shadow.

Let the commandments teach you to come to Christ, who says to you,

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.(Matthew 11).

The first of the commandments is about love for God. The rest are about love for neighbor - but Jesus was telling us that it is impossible for human flesh to perfectly obey - which is why He said that whoever looks on a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery in his heart, and why He said that all sins and evil words come from the heart.

Let the shadow contained in the 10 commandments teach you what is right and wrong, holy and unholy, good and evil, but let the Holy Spirit take control instead of turning the representation of the real thing that God wants to place in your heart, be what you seek.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of Elohim, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Can we agree that Christianity started while Christ walked the earth?

And yet according to Jesus the Law of the prophets ceased with the coming of John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

 

[LoveYeshua]

Let's go to Acts 15:10:

Now therefore why tempt ye YHVH, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter was speaking to the Jews about a yoke that neither the fathers of the Jews nor the Jews of their generation were able to bear.

The purpose of the commandments is to:-

1. Teach us the difference between what is wrong and what is right and to do what is right: "All scripture is given by inspiration of YHVH, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of YHVH may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

2. Expose us as sinners whose breaking of the commandments brings us death, not life, and thereby to teach us to come to Christ (who fulfilled the law) for our salvation.

Obviously this does not mean that we willfully go disobeying the commandments by living as we please, but the way to obey the commandments is to fulfill the commandments the way Jesus did - by loving our neigbors as ourselves to the point of loving even our enemies, and to love one another,

and the only way that sort of fruit can be produced in us is not through our flesh obeying the commandments, but by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which is given to us through faith in Him, which changes our hearts from within and writes God's law of love on our hearts, and putting it in our minds.

I'm sure you love God. But the things you are arguing for shows that you're placing your faith in the shadow and on obedience by the flesh to the shadow.

Let the commandments teach you to come to Christ, who says to you,

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.(Matthew 11).

The first of the commandments is about love for God. The rest are about love for neighbor - but Jesus was telling us that it is impossible for human flesh to perfectly obey - which is why He said that whoever looks on a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery in his heart, and why He said that all sins and evil words come from the heart.

Let the shadow contained in the 10 commandments teach you what is right and wrong, holy and unholy, good and evil, but let the Holy Spirit take control instead of turning the representation of the real thing that God wants to place in your heart, be what you seek.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of Elohim, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6.

You are misreading Peter’s words and turning them into something he never said. In Acts 15:10, Peter was not calling the commandments of God a burden or a yoke too heavy to bear. The discussion in that chapter was about whether Gentile converts needed to be circumcised and follow the man-made traditions of the Pharisees—not whether they should obey the Ten Commandments given by God.

Jesus never said His commandments were too hard to follow. In fact, He said the opposite: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He even listed some of them: “You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal...” showing He meant the Ten Commandments, not just some vague law of love. He summed them up by saying: “You shall love the Lord your God... and your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37–40), but He never replaced or removed the commandments. Love is the foundation, but obedience is the proof: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). Jesus never said the Ten Commandments were a shadow. That idea comes from misused texts, mostly from Paul. Jesus taught the law, fulfilled it by living it perfectly, and told His disciples to teach it to all nations: “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). The Holy Spirit does not write a different law on our hearts. As the prophet Jeremiah said, speaking of the New Covenant: “I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts” (Jeremiah 31:33). That law was the same law given from the beginning.

The idea that the Ten Commandments are a shadow or that they are too hard to keep is not from Jesus, but from men who twist His words. Jesus never said, “You cannot keep the law,” but rather He said, “Be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). He showed us how to keep the commandments from the heart—deeply, not just outwardly. You quote Jesus saying, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” This rest is not the freedom to sin but the peace that comes from being cleansed, forgiven, and given the strength to walk in righteousness. Jesus also warned: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom... but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21).

The will of God has never changed. Jesus said clearly: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law... Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law” (Matthew 5:17–18). Heaven and earth are still here. So is His law.

Yes, we are saved by grace through faith, but faith without obedience is dead. The rich young ruler asked Jesus what to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe.” He said, “Keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Don’t let anyone take away the holiness of God’s law and reduce it to a shadow or a burden. The burden Jesus lifted was the man-made rules of the Pharisees, not the commandments of His Father. He came to magnify the law, not to erase it. He lived it, taught it, and told us to follow Him.

“Whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). Let us be among those who love God enough to obey Him, not in the flesh only, but with hearts renewed by the Spirit, just as the prophets and Jesus said.

 

[LoveYeshua]

And yet according to Jesus the Law of the prophets ceased with the coming of John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

To me from scripture the new covenant was announced by Jesus at the lase supper when Jesus did and said;

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

But It did start when Jesus died on the cross for us and the veil of the temple was rent in two, and at his resurrection with him given all authority in heaven and on earth, and ascended to heaven from where Jesus promised the Holy spirit to his believers and who do god's will. This is how I see it.

 

[Zao is life]

You are misreading Peter’s words and turning them into something he never said. In Acts 15:10, Peter was not calling the commandments of God a burden or a yoke too heavy to bear. The discussion in that chapter was about whether Gentile converts needed to be circumcised and follow the man-made traditions of the Pharisees—not whether they should obey the Ten Commandments given by God.

Jesus never said His commandments were too hard to follow. In fact, He said the opposite: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He even listed some of them: “You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal...” showing He meant the Ten Commandments, not just some vague law of love. He summed them up by saying: “You shall love the Lord your God... and your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37–40), but He never replaced or removed the commandments. Love is the foundation, but obedience is the proof: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). Jesus never said the Ten Commandments were a shadow. That idea comes from misused texts, mostly from Paul. Jesus taught the law, fulfilled it by living it perfectly, and told His disciples to teach it to all nations: “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). The Holy Spirit does not write a different law on our hearts. As the prophet Jeremiah said, speaking of the New Covenant: “I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts” (Jeremiah 31:33). That law was the same law given from the beginning.

The idea that the Ten Commandments are a shadow or that they are too hard to keep is not from Jesus, but from men who twist His words. Jesus never said, “You cannot keep the law,” but rather He said, “Be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). He showed us how to keep the commandments from the heart—deeply, not just outwardly. You quote Jesus saying, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” This rest is not the freedom to sin but the peace that comes from being cleansed, forgiven, and given the strength to walk in righteousness. Jesus also warned: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom... but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21).

The will of God has never changed. Jesus said clearly: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law... Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law” (Matthew 5:17–18). Heaven and earth are still here. So is His law.

Yes, we are saved by grace through faith, but faith without obedience is dead. The rich young ruler asked Jesus what to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe.” He said, “Keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Don’t let anyone take away the holiness of God’s law and reduce it to a shadow or a burden. The burden Jesus lifted was the man-made rules of the Pharisees, not the commandments of His Father. He came to magnify the law, not to erase it. He lived it, taught it, and told us to follow Him.

“Whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). Let us be among those who love God enough to obey Him, not in the flesh only, but with hearts renewed by the Spirit, just as the prophets and Jesus said.

Your religion and your god is the 10 commandments which are there to prove that you are a transgressor worthy of the death which the commandments bring you, and your obedience produced by the flesh which convicts you of your sin at the same time.

The mercy seat that covered the testimony which was sprinkled with blood once a year to atone for the sin which the commandments exposed, is no longer there. But instead of trusting in Christ and the blood of His once-for-all atonement and walking by the Spirit, you walk by the flesh, hanging on in obedience of the flesh to the Old Covenant and to what condemns you, unable to place your faith in the blood of Christ and learn to walk by the Spirit so that the fruit produced by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which will be abiding in you can fulfill the ten commandments which Christ has already fulfilled on your behalf.

And your theology and arguments you put forward exposes your faith in your god for what it is - which is why you reject Paul's doctrine.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Your religion and your god is the 10 commandments which are there to prove that you are a transgressor worthy of the death which the commandments bring you, and your obedience produced by the flesh which convicts you of your sin at the same time.

The mercy seat that covered the testimony which was sprinkled with blood once a year to atone for the sin which the commandments exposed, is no longer there. But instead of trusting in Christ and the blood of His once-for-all atonement and walking by the Spirit, you walk by the flesh, hanging on in obedience of the flesh to the Old Covenant and to what condemns you, unable to place your faith in the blood of Christ and learn to walk by the Spirit so that the fruit produced by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which will be abiding in you can fulfill the ten commandments which Christ has already fulfilled on your behalf.

And your theology and arguments you put forward exposes your faith in your god for what it is.

Thank you for the nice chat, I see you still do not understand scripture and that Christ said "If you Love me, Keep my commandments." it is I choice I made to follow Christ and do as he says because I love God and Christ. you belong to Paul and HIS gospel so it is. This was our last conversation as i will do what Jesus asked when he said in Matthew 7:6;"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

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[Zao is life]

Thank you for the nice chat, I see you still do not understand scripture and that Christ said "If you Love me, Keep my commandments." it is I choice I made to follow Christ and do as he says because I love God and Christ. you belong to Paul and HIS gospel so it is. This was our last conversation as i will do what Jesus asked when he said in Matthew 7:6;"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

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Those who reject any part of New Testament scripture (in your case, the theology of Paul) do not realize that they are rejecting Christ.

Matthew 7:6 is pointing to those such as the one who seeks to turn people from trusting in the Holy One and in the righteousness of the One who is the LORD our righteousness, to trust rather in his own "holiness" produced by the flesh in his obedience to the commandments.​

That obedience of the flesh to the commandments was the way to God (Old Covenant) which was abolished in the flesh of Christ the moment He died for OUR sin, which is the transgression of the law and the commandments.

The commandments are the shadow of the real holiness of the Spirit of Christ in those who believe in Him - a holiness that fulfills the law and the commandments the way Christ did:

John 15
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this: Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

It's only the fruit of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus in the one who abides in Him through faith in Him alone that can do this.

But those who reject this (one and only) gospel seek instead to "ascend to heaven" by their obedience to the commandments which are the shadow of the Holiness of Christ and the fruit of the Spirit - an obedience which can only be produced of their own flesh, though Jesus said,

"No one has ascended up to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven, the Son of man who is in Heaven. But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him." (John 3:13-16).

Look unto the cross and unto Christ because this will save you - but looking unto your obedience to the commandments which are a testimony against you (and needed a mercy-seat covering them in the Ark of the Testimony - which needed to be sprinkled with blood once a year to atone for your sins) - will never give you life - just as Christ's apostle Paul taught us.

As for the person who names his own "holiness" produced by his own obedience to the commandments as true holiness and then says it should not be given to the dogs (meaning, in this case, me), well (LOL) I really do not want his "holiness" because it will convict me of his sin as much as it does him - I much rather prefer to continue to trust in Christ and His Holiness and in His blood which He has shed for my sins, and to walk by the Spirit, so that HE can fulfill the law and the commandments through me, and I can fulfill them in Him.

As for @LoveYeshua , I will now do as Jesus told His apostles to do with those who reject His gospel:

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words (the words of the apostles appointed by Christ - which includes Paul), when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet." (Matthew 10:14).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

But It did start when Jesus died on the cross for us

OK, so you believe Jesus lied in Luke 16:16 then?

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

How much deception does one need to choose to reject what Jesus is clearly saying???

This is how I see it.

Too bad you haven't decided to see it the way Jesus sees it.

Jesus very clearly tells us the law and the prophets stopped with the beginning of John the Baptists ministry

The devil seeks to get people to believe differently so he can trick them in to rejecting Jesus' teachings which are a major major portion of the New Covenant.

His teachings are the foundation of the New Coven ant and those not accepting His teachings have built their lives upon sinking sand, see Matthew 7:24-27

Those rejecting Jesus' teachings as being under the New Covenant have been deceived by the devil and the Lord tells us about these people thru the Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[LoveYeshua]

OK, so you believe Jesus lied in Luke 16:16 then?

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

How much deception does one need to choose to reject what Jesus is clearly saying???







Too bad you haven't decided to see it the way Jesus sees it.

Jesus very clearly tells us the law and the prophets stopped with the beginning of John the Baptists ministry

The devil seeks to get people to believe differently so he can trick them in to rejecting Jesus' teachings which are a major major portion of the New Covenant.

His teachings are the foundation of the New Coven ant and those not accepting His teachings have built their lives upon sinking sand, see Matthew 7:24-27

Those rejecting Jesus' teachings as being under the New Covenant have been deceived by the devil and the Lord tells us about these people thru the Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

You must know by now, I do not believe Jesus lied at all, why would you say such a thing?

In Luke 16:16, He did not say the New Covenant began with John, only that “the law and the prophets were until John; since that time the kingdom of God has been preached.” John marked the end of the prophetic era and began to announce the coming kingdom, calling people to repent and prepare for the Messiah.

The New Covenant, however, was not yet established. Jesus Himself said at the Last Supper, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28). A covenant is sealed by blood, and this happened only at the cross. It was confirmed by His resurrection and fully inaugurated when He sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, fulfilling Jeremiah 31:33 where God promised to write His law on our hearts.

John prepared the way, but Jesus, the Lamb of God, established the New Covenant by His own blood. Luke 16:16 marks a shift in the message being preached, not the moment the covenant itself began. unless you can prove otherwise? perhaps I am missing a key element I do not understand? In that case please explain further because i cannot link Luke 16:16 with the start of new covenant.

Peace brother lets keep cool heads and move forward.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In Luke 16:16, He did not say the New Covenant began with John

Keep reading, He specifically says the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached starting with John going forward.

The New Covenant, however, was not yet established.

from the Lord's point of view the New Covenant started with the ministry of John because all teaching coming to man from the Lord was New Covenant teaching from John going forward.

This is why Jesus said the law and the prophets were UNTIL John.

This means ALL teaching from Jesus is under the New Covenant and the Lord verifies this thru Paul in 1 Timothy 6:3-5

Those claiming Jesus' teachings are not under the New covenant are (according to the Lord) proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness

And we are instructed to withdraw from these people because they are not of the Lord.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Keep reading, He specifically says the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached starting with John going forward.






from the Lord's point of view the New Covenant started with the ministry of John because all teaching coming to man from the Lord was New Covenant teaching from John going forward.

This is why Jesus said the law and the prophets were UNTIL John.

This means ALL teaching from Jesus is under the New Covenant and the Lord verifies this thru Paul in 1 Timothy 6:3-5

Those claiming Jesus' teachings are not under the New covenant are (according to the Lord) proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness

And we are instructed to withdraw from these people because they are not of the Lord.

I agree all teachings of Jesus were of/about the new covenant certainly, now I understand what you meant, see the was it necessary to use 1 tim 6:3-5? against me?... No.

Now I have a question for you,
For those and there are many, that say the commandments are abolished, are these people under the New Covenant ( jer 31:31-33) or do they reject it?

 

[shepherdsword]

I agree all teachings of Jesus were of/about the new covenant certainly, now I understand what you meant, see the was it necessary to use 1 tim 6:3-5? against me?... No.

Now I have a question for you,
For those and there are many, that say the commandments are abolished, are these people under the New Covenant ( jer 31:31-33) or do they reject it?

The new covenant of Jer 31:33 is not the Mosiac covenant. (focus on the word "new") The priesthood has changed and so has the law:

Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Changed? to what?

Read Matthew 5-7
sample:
Mt 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Rockerduck]

I've said it before; you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself. They are a good example of what we can try to achieve.

 

[LoveYeshua]

God's moral law that was in effect before the Law of Moses was given still are.

10 Commandments are repeated in the New Testament under the Law of Christ which is what Christians live under today.

The new covenant of Jer 31:33 is not the Mosiac covenant. (focus on the word "new") The priesthood has changed and so has the law:

Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Changed? to what?

Read Matthew 5-7
sample:
Mt 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

yes, thank you, i know and I explain this in the opening post that we are not discussing the Mosaic laws but the Ten Commandments also called the Moral law and defined by GOD as the covenant that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. please refer to post #1 for more .

 

[shepherdsword]

yes, thank you, i know and I explain this in the opening post that we are not discussing the Mosaic laws but the Ten Commandments also called the Moral law and defined by GOD as the covenant that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. please refer to post #1 for more .

Paul associated the 10 commandments with the Mosaic law.

Ro 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

For those and there are many, that say the commandments are abolished, are these people under the New Covenant ( jer 31:31-33) or do they reject it?

They don't know that 9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant and it's not called the "sabbath" in the New Covenant but we have far superior rest under the New Covenant that just observing Saturday sabbath


10 Commandments Repeated in the New Testament

#1 - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37)

#2 - Dear children, keep yourself from idols (1 John 5:21)

#3 - Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything else (James 5:12)

#4 - No Saturday sabbath commanded in the New Testament (sorry bout that SDA peoples!)

#5 - Honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21)

#6 - You shall not murder (Matthew 19:16-21)

#7 - You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21)

#8 - You shall not steal (Matthew 19:16-21)

#9 - You shall not give false testimony (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8)

#10 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)

Concerning the sabbath in the New Testament, Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament

These are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant and there's no way around it that under the New Covenant it's a sin to: have other gods before the Lord (Matthew 22:37), to engage in idolatry (1 John 5:21), engage in swearing (James 5:12), to not abide in Christ where our rest is found (Matthew 11:28-30), to not honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21), to do murder (Matthew 19:16-21), to commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21), to steal (Matthew 19:16-21), to be a liar (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), to covet (Colossians 3:5)

I've said it before; you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself.

Ah but we can thru the Lord and His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Notice 2 Peter 1:4 says we can access God's divine nature thru God's Word?
This thought makes religious people's head explode

Psalm 19:7
The Word of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul

 

[LoveYeshua]

They don't know that 9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant and it's not called the "sabbath" in the New Covenant but we have far superior rest under the New Covenant that just observing Saturday sabbath


10 Commandments Repeated in the New Testament

#1 - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37)

#2 - Dear children, keep yourself from idols (1 John 5:21)

#3 - Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything else (James 5:12)

#4 - No Saturday sabbath commanded in the New Testament (sorry bout that SDA peoples!)

#5 - Honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21)

#6 - You shall not murder (Matthew 19:16-21)

#7 - You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21)

#8 - You shall not steal (Matthew 19:16-21)

#9 - You shall not give false testimony (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8)

#10 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)

Concerning the sabbath in the New Testament, Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament

These are not suggestions but are actually commandments in the New Covenant and there's no way around it that under the New Covenant it's a sin to: have other gods before the Lord (Matthew 22:37), to engage in idolatry (1 John 5:21), engage in swearing (James 5:12), to not abide in Christ where our rest is found (Matthew 11:28-30), to not honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21), to do murder (Matthew 19:16-21), to commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21), to steal (Matthew 19:16-21), to be a liar (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), to covet (Colossians 3:5)

Jesus spoke of the sabbath and explained at length how to follow it, Jesus explained also the rest of the commandments, to say the sabbath is no longer is NOT what God said and what the bible teaches;

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 1-Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 2-Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exo 20:7 3-Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Exo 20:8 4-Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exo 20:12 5-Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Exo 20:13 6-Thou shalt not kill.

Exo 20:14 7-Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Exo 20:15 8-Thou shalt not steal.

Exo 20:16 9-Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Exo 20:17 10-Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

you went to a point where you changed God's commandments the real ones listed above it what GOD wants us to follow, God did say about the commandments that they are the covenant. No One has the authority to change any of these commandments in any way.

About the sabbath, the fourth commandment also part of the covenant;

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck heads of grain and eat. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless? Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:1-8).

Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue. And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other. Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him (Matthew 12:9-14).

Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?” But Jesus answered them and said, “Have you never read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?” And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:23-28).

And it happened, as He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath, that behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.” And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.” The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him (Luke 13:10-17).

In these passages, it is clear that Jesus was not abolishing or dismissing the Sabbath but instead teaching its true, God-intended purpose. The Pharisees had added heavy, rigid rules to the Sabbath, focusing on legalistic observance, but Jesus reminded them that the Sabbath was meant to be a day of mercy, rest, and doing good. By healing on the Sabbath, Jesus demonstrated that acts of compassion and care were in perfect harmony with God's intentions for the day. He emphasized that the Sabbath was created for human benefit, not as a burdensome rule. Therefore, Jesus showed that the Sabbath is not only a day of rest but also a day to serve and heal, aligning with God's heart of mercy and love for His people.

To say Jesus never mentioned it is not true.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The Ten Commandments directly apply to evangelism. Without them, evangelism has no effect. This is why people who ask, "What do I need to be saved from?" They won't know they are sinners deserving hell without being confronted with the Ten Commandments and ow they are breaking them every day.

Paul says in Romans that he didn't know he was dead in his trespasses and sins until he was confronted with the Ten Commandments. Telling people that Jesus loves them without showing them how they are breaking the Commandments produces easy believerism.

Also, the reason why so many reject the Gospel preached to them is the preaching of Jesus is "an offense to the Jews, and foolishness to the Greeks (gentiles). The Gospel is not good news to those who don't know they are sinners deserving of hell. Most sinners think they are good people. It is only when they are confronted with the Ten Commandments and shown how they break them every day, that they realise they are breaking God's law, and condemning themselves to hell. They then know that if they appear before God at the judgment, they will be found guilty. It is only then, when they realise that they are condemned, that when presented with the Gospel of Christ as their only "parachute" they will see it as good news, and be much more likely to believe it and embrace Christ as Saviour.

Also, the law brings us to Christ through effective evangelism, we are continually reminded that we are sinners under the law, and therefore this keeps us holding on to Christ in faith and depending on His righteousness and the work of the Holy Spirit to develop sanctification in us. As long as we have a sinful flesh, we will always see ourselves as sinners until we are glorified and receive our new sinless immortal body.

 

[Rockerduck]

The Ten Commandments directly apply to evangelism. Without them, evangelism has no effect. This is why people who ask, "What do I need to be saved from?" They won't know they are sinners deserving hell without being confronted with the Ten Commandments and ow they are breaking them every day.

Paul says in Romans that he didn't know he was dead in his trespasses and sins until he was confronted with the Ten Commandments. Telling people that Jesus loves them without showing them how they are breaking the Commandments produces easy believerism.

Also, the reason why so many reject the Gospel preached to them is the preaching of Jesus is "an offense to the Jews, and foolishness to the Greeks (gentiles). The Gospel is not good news to those who don't know they are sinners deserving of hell. Most sinners think they are good people. It is only when they are confronted with the Ten Commandments and shown how they break them every day, that they realise they are breaking God's law, and condemning themselves to hell. They then know that if they appear before God at the judgment, they will be found guilty. It is only then, when they realise that they are condemned, that when presented with the Gospel of Christ as their only "parachute" they will see it as good news, and be much more likely to believe it and embrace Christ as Saviour.

Also, the law brings us to Christ through effective evangelism, we are continually reminded that we are sinners under the law, and therefore this keeps us holding on to Christ in faith and depending on His righteousness and the work of the Holy Spirit to develop sanctification in us. As long as we have a sinful flesh, we will always see ourselves as sinners until we are glorified and receive our new sinless immortal body.

It is God who saves through Jesus Christ. I saw a woman get convicted in her heart watching a baptism in a church and get saved. Jesus pursues us and finds us where we are to call us to Him. If you walk the streets in a city and tell individuals about the 10 commandments, they will avoid you. If you tell them about Jesus, they tend to listen. It is all about Jesus and His saving Grace. Been there and done it. This is why the gospel is foolishness to the unsaved, they think you are foolish for preaching. You have to not look and talk foolish. Evangelism is a gift, not everyone can do it.

 

[MatthewG]

Absolutely not.

It’s where a lot of churches mess up and put bondage on you to keep you coming back to them and to continue to repent when you already changed your mind and started having faith that God exist and you have a personal relationship with him. Through Jesus alone… in faith which pleases God….

The commandments in the bible in the Old Testament is strictly to the people of Israel in that day that made up those twelve tribes.

The outsiders had no law to live by and they governed themselves.

Thankful for government and jails, prisons and mental institutions out there…

But many people will suggest you need to live by those commandments which is not true by any means…

The only commandment I remember that could relate to us is to believe in the son, and to love one another as yourself.