Only the Apostles were Predestined

[pandaflower]

No one, and I mean NOT ONE mortal person can be in Christ before the foundation of the world WITHOUT personal repentance towards God.
Please stop insulting God's intelligence as well as ours.

God tells us, not one can repent until the holy spirit changes their natural mortal flesh focused mind so to understand the leading of that holy spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

At the moment, the Holy Spirit can't help you, until you let go of the man made religious doctrine that unrepentant individuals were predestinated to belong to God, long before the world was created.

More error and foolish talk

 

[pandaflower]

At the moment, the Holy Spirit can't help you, until you let go of the man made religious doctrine that unrepentant individuals were predestinated to belong to God, long before the world was created.

The Lambs Book of Eternal Life that contains the names of all whom God saved , was written before the foundation of the world.

 

[David in NJ]

All of them except the son of perdition that the Scriptures may be fulfilled.

You haven't been listening.

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

Only 11 disciples will be raised on the last day?

If you believe this, you have been deceived thru religion and exalting man/pastors above Christ.

The LORD Says: "HE will raise ALL whom the Father has given to Him on the Last Day"

Billions of Blood Washed Disciples will be RAISED by Christ when HE returns = on the Last Day

Reject the doctrines of men which comes from religious pride and intellectualism.

 

[Earburner]

The Lambs Book of Eternal Life that contains the names of all whom God saved , was written before the foundation of the world.

Only AFTER one is born of mortal flesh and then comes to repentance, having faith in the blood of Christ, and is born again of the Holy Spirit, is one's name written in "the book of life", who by the way is Jesus HIMSELF (which is to say that there is NO literal book in heaven called "the book of life").
It is quite evident that some here are trying to sneak into the KoG some other way.
Edit:
Rev. 20:15 has the same meaning as Rom. 8:9
Rev. 20[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rom. 8:9.....Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[pandaflower]

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

Only 11 disciples will be raised on the last day?

If you believe this, you have been deceived thru religion and exalting man/pastors above Christ.

The LORD Says: "HE will raise ALL whom the Father has given to Him on the Last Day"

Billions of Blood Washed Disciples will be RAISED by Christ when HE returns = on the Last Day

Reject the doctrines of men which comes from religious pride and intellectualism.

I'd like to know what denomination teaches the bad information 1st century lady is defending here.

What denomination erases huge parts of the New testament so to lead their believers into damnation?

 

[pandaflower]

Only after one is born of mortal flesh and then comes to repentance, having faith in the blood of Christ, and is born again of the Holy Spirit, is one's name written in the book of life, who by the way is Jesus HIMSELF.

Not true. Not scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

I'd like to know what denomination teaches the bad information 1st century lady is defending here.

What denomination erases huge parts of the New testament so to lead their believers into damnation?

Most likely she follows a Dispensation man-made doctrine.

Dispensation is another 'twist' of the Serpent in the minds of men who claim to know the Holy Scriptures.

It is so evil that it goes to great length by claiming there are two separate gospels - one for the Jew and a different one for the Gentiles

 

[pandaflower]

Most likely she follows a Dispensation man-made doctrine.

Dispensation is another 'twist' of the Serpent in the minds of men who claim to know the Holy Scriptures.

It is so evil that it goes to great length by claiming there are two separate gospels - one for the Jew and a different one for the Gentiles

Thank you. That's the first I've heard of such a thing.

Dispensational doctrine?

 

[Earburner]

Not true. Not scripture.

Please see my edit in post #185.
Thanks.

 

[pandaflower]

@David in NJ , is this what you are referring to?

What is Dispensationalism?

 

[pandaflower]

Only AFTER one is born of mortal flesh and then comes to repentance, having faith in the blood of Christ, and is born again of the Holy Spirit, is one's name written in "the book of life", who by the way is Jesus HIMSELF (which is to say that there is NO literal book in heaven called "the book of life").
It is quite evident that some here are trying to sneak into the KoG some other way.
Edit:
Rev. 20:15 has the same meaning as Rom. 8:9
Rev. 20[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rom. 8:9.....Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Please consider this.

The concept of the Lamb's Book of Life being written before the foundation of the world is primarily referenced in Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 17:8, which state that names were recorded in this book before creation. Additionally, Ephesians 1:4 mentions that believers were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, indicating God's foreknowledge and plan for salvation. corechristianity.com stonebrook.org

Key Bible Verses About the Lamb's Book of Life
Revelation 13:8
"All who dwell on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come."

Ephesians 1:4
"Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love."

Matthew 25:34
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.'"

Revelation 20:15
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:27
"But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."
These verses emphasize the concept that names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world, highlighting God's sovereignty and foreknowledge in salvation.

Church of the Great God
corechristianity.com

 

[Earburner]

Please consider this.

The concept of the Lamb's Book of Life being written before the foundation of the world is primarily referenced in Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 17:8, which state that names were recorded in this book before creation. Additionally, Ephesians 1:4 mentions that believers were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, indicating God's foreknowledge and plan for salvation. corechristianity.com stonebrook.org

Key Bible Verses About the Lamb's Book of Life
Revelation 13:8
"All who dwell on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come."

Ephesians 1:4
"Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love."

Matthew 25:34
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.'"

Revelation 20:15
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:27
"But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."
These verses emphasize the concept that names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world, highlighting God's sovereignty and foreknowledge in salvation.

Church of the Great God
corechristianity.com

Q1. What type of material are the pages of the Book of Life made out of?
Q2. Does God write in a literal book with pen and ink in heaven?
Q3. Did God make the ink(?) and the writing instrument also?
Oh yes, there is that of God writing on the earthen tablets of stone for the 10Cs and then the writing on the literal wall, a warning to king Belshazzar. Dan. 5:24-28.

But..... God literally writing in heaven??
Q4. If Jesus has "the Lamb's Book of Life", why did God the Father need a "Book of Remembrance" for those of faith in Israel?
Mal. 3:16.
Becareful, you just might find out who the symbolic 144,000** really were (you can see them asleep in Jesus under the altar). Rev. 6:9-11.
By the way there was a First resurrection, and many of the (OC) saints (**not all) that slept in the dust rose from their graves after Jesus' resurrection.
Mat. 27:50-54

 

[pandaflower]

Q1. What type of material are the pages of the Book of Life made out of?
Q2. Does God write in a literal book with pen and ink in heaven?
Q3. Did God make the ink(?) and the writing instrument also?
Q4. If Jesus has "the Lamb's Book of Life", why did God the Father need a "Book of Remembrance" for those of faith in Israel?
Mal. 3:16.
Becareful, you just might find out who the symbolic 144,000 really were (you can see them asleep in Jesus under the altar). Rev. 6:9-11.

What's not funny in the least is that your mockery of God's word will be called by God to account,every word,after you die.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ , is this what you are referring to?

What is Dispensationalism?

The link you gave is only part of it, which is not all wrong or in error.

The 'dispensationalists' began with Scripture but then they deviate from it by denying Truth = such as i expressed to you with the two separate gospels.
Furthermore, satan came up with a clever deception whereby they will use the word "context" to further deny the gospel by limiting it to
the days of Christ and/or the Apostles.

While 'context' is important, the abuse of it against Scripture, leads to spiritual blindness of many important Truths in Scripture.

Such is the case with @1stCenturyLady in that she is unwilling to accept the CLEAR words of Christ in John 6:43-44

Dispensationalists have varying degrees of how far they go down this road of denying clear Truth.

The plan and purpose of Dispensation is to separate the Jew and Gentile in Christ.
Once they establish this in their error, then it snowballs into more error = some very serious error.

 

[pandaflower]

The link you gave is only part of it, which is not all wrong or in error.

The 'dispensationalists' began with Scripture but then they deviate from it by denying Truth = such as i expressed to you with the two separate gospels.
Furthermore, satan came up with a clever deception whereby they will use the word "context" to further deny the gospel by limiting it to
the days of Christ and/or the Apostles.

While 'context' is important, the abuse of it against Scripture, leads to spiritual blindness of many important Truths in Scripture.

Such is the case with @1stCenturyLady in that she is unwilling to accept the CLEAR words of Christ in John 6:43-44

Dispensationalists have varying degrees of how far they go down this road of denying clear Truth.

The plan and purpose of Dispensation is to separate the Jew and Gentile in Christ.
Once they establish this in their error, then it snowballs into more error = some very serious error.

Thank you for educating me on that topic.
Now, I have more insight into how there is so much error in the pov of some here.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you for educating me on that topic.
Now, I have more insight into how there is so much error in the pov of some here.

One very important Truth that the Holy Spirit taught me when i was first saved = Proverbs 30:5-6

That most important Truth has kept me from being tossed "to and fro by every wind of doctrine that comes from man."

 

[pandaflower]

One very important Truth that the Holy Spirit taught me when i was first saved = Proverbs 30:5-6

That most important Truth has kept me from being tossed "to and fro by every wind of doctrine that comes from man."

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar."

Thank you. I'm going to add that to my profile in some way.

 

[Earburner]

What's not funny in the least is that your mockery of God's word will be called by God to account,every word,after you die.

I doubt it!! You are not fully understanding John 3:18 about judgment and condemnation.
Jesus spoke to us in parables and symbolism. One good example of that is his message about the "strong man". It's written in three of the gospels, therefore one would think that he expects us to understand the importance about it.

I'm not trying to be funny, I am "deadly" serious. I perceive the KoG to be more spiritual than what most are being led to believe, thinking that it's mostly physical.
John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 

[David in NJ]

I doubt it!! You are not fully understanding John 3:18 about judgment and condemnation.

I'm not trying to be funny, I am "deadly" serious. I perceive the KoG to be more spiritual than what most are being led to believe, that it's mostly physical.

KoG ?

King of Glory???