Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

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Christian Soldier

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Your opinion, which has zero effect on me.



Your error, not mine.

A man is Wise and Nobel To SEARCH and Verify what he Hears.

God IS Wise, Nobel, Just… and SEARCHES, Looks, VERIFIES A Mans Belief, or Lack thereof…BEFORE giving or withholding Salvation.

Jer. 17:10
1Sam 16:7
1Cor 2:10
Rev 2:23




Hogwash!




Your error.
Your problem of Imagining, rather that hearing, reading, verifying,

Gods Offering IS Free. Costs you Nothing to hear.

Accepting His Offering Requires your Belief.
Accepting His Salvation Costs your bodily Life.

Freedom is not free. It costs Lives.
Salvation is NOT Free, it costs Your Bodily Life.



LOL… human bodys, human souls, human spirits….to be thrown …IN the Lake of Fire ARE:
LIFE-LESS.

Seriously, what is your testimony to HAVE EVER SEEN, HEARD any thing, any Human without LIFE…. Screaming? LOL





My belief is Not made up or what you say for me.
I only believe and quote what Jesus said, while you reject everything He said, by twisting what He said to force into your own made religious views.

God doesn't kill anyone to save them, you just made that up. So you're saying that Jesus is a liar, when He said those whom He will cast into the lake of fire while they beg for mercy are just corpses of flesh being burned up.

You obviously don't believe what God has said, so I can't agree with anything you say and believe. I'd best sum it up as "doctrine of Demons". I'm convinced that God has handed you over to serve sin and Satan. You're not fooling anyone, except yourself with that nonsense
 

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For anybody that has ever committed sin

This doesn't mean they are automatically saved, but it does mean the Lord has bought salvation for every person.

Unless someone wants to claim to be calvinist, then in that case they falsely claim salvation is for them and it's God's will for everyone else to burn in hell which is of course doctrines of demons
I would cross the floor and join you Arminians, if you could find a single verse in the Bible to support your doctrine of Demons, which teaches the heresy that Christ died for everyone.

I can save you the time searching and confirm that no such Demonic Doctrine is in the Bible. That one came straight from the pits of hell, in order to damn all those who fall for it to the lake of fire.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by His body was offered for "Believing/Agreeing" people now.


Addressing step by step your post.

Is your BODY, dead NOW?
IF Yes? Why?

Is your SOUL saved NOW?
IF yes, Why?

Is your SPIRIT born again NOW?
If yes, Why?
 

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I only believe and quote what Jesus said,


Obviously Not…
Moving on…
Jesus did not say the following, You did.

while you reject everything He said, by twisting what He said to force into your own made religious views.

No where Have I ever said that.
Your lack of understanding, does Not give you free reign to speak for me or make false allegations.


God doesn't kill anyone to save them, you just made that up.

Quote me saying anything about God killing…

So you're saying that Jesus is a liar,

Quote me saying that.

when He said those whom He will cast into the lake of fire while they beg for mercy are just corpses of flesh being burned up.

He said men in the Lake of fire will be begging for mercy…?

Why did you not Quote Him, as you just claimed, that is what you do?

You obviously don't believe what God has said,

You have spoken for Jesus…with your words.
You have spoken for me …with your words.

Do you think being a gaslighter and false accuser is glorifying to God?
 

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Time (yesterday, today, tomorrow) is an illusion.

The hold matter--Just as the Lamb was slain before time--so is salvation.
This is just the rolling of the credits, the reading of the last will and testament--and yes, many who are sleeping will not know the truth of it until they awaken, until the morning after this present darkness.
 

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I only believe and quote what Jesus said,


False.

God doesn't kill anyone to save them, you just made that up.

Get a q-tip.
God saves Souls of Body’s That are accounted DEAD.
Scripture speaks of the Foolish to not KNOW THAT!

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Cor 15:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Duh!
 

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Yes, the eternal security of the born-again believer is entirely and explicitly biblical.
 

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Addressing step by step your post.

Is your BODY, dead NOW?
IF Yes? Why?

Is your SOUL saved NOW?
IF yes, Why?

Is your SPIRIT born again NOW?
If yes, Why?
There are three types of death described in the Bible, so I don't know which one you're referring to in your first question.

There is the first death, that everyone since Adam born into. It's a spiritual death, a separation from God.

Then there's the bodily death, which everyone since Adam also experiences. That's when your body returns to soil, so those who die in their natural state are now dead spiritually and physically, (spiritually dead, being separated from God).

Those who were born again, during their lives on earth,, inherit eternal life in paradise. But those who died and weren't born again during their lives on earth will experience the second death, and that is permanent separation from God. They will spend eternity being tormented in hell.

There is no such thing as annihilation, or ceasing to exist. Both the born again and the damned continue to exist in their state forever. Death in the Bible never means cessation of existence, it only describes the state of the soul. Eternal death is the permanent state of separation, the individual experiences the horror of dying and separation forever.

My soul is saved now, because God has quickened me to life from my natural sate. I didn't have the option to chose to make myself alive as a dead man, since a dead man can do nothing to make himself alive. God had to make the first and final move to save me.

God gave me a new Spirit, but the old man/spirit hasn't been fully removed. The work of transformation and sanctification is ongoing and it will be completed when I receive my glorified sinless body in the life to come.
In the meantime, I die daily to self and wrestle against thew flesh. We don't achieve sinless perfection in this life.

 

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Obviously Not…
Moving on…
Jesus did not say the following, You did.



No where Have I ever said that.
Your lack of understanding, does Not give you free reign to speak for me or make false allegations.




Quote me saying anything about God killing…



Quote me saying that.



He said men in the Lake of fire will be begging for mercy…?

Why did you not Quote Him, as you just claimed, that is what you do?



You have spoken for Jesus…with your words.
You have spoken for me …with your words.

Do you think being a gaslighter and false accuser is glorifying to God?
I don't want to go back over all the previous comments to find these, there is no need to tell you about your own theology and doctrines. But you obviously can't see your errors, so you take correction as personal attacks.

You stated something to the effect that a sinner must first die before they can saved. I pointed out your error there, by reminding you that everyone is born dead already so statement didn't make sense.

Matt 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

Matt 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels',"

If you took the time to read about the Bible doctrine of hell, you would find that nobody jumps into the lake of fire willingly. Jesus has to grab them and throw them in there Himself, of 'course they beg for mercy while He throwing them, b ut He shows no mercy at all
 

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Websites have the capability…
What is True… is they reveal no Evidence for their ridiculous outlandish claims.

Not any different than what you do.
A wise man loves you for correcting him, but a FOOL HATES YOU FOR IT. I have been correcting you all along and you can't handle being exposed, so the bible describes you very well.
 

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A wise man loves you for correcting him, but a FOOL HATES YOU FOR IT. I have been correcting you all along and you can't handle being exposed, so the bible describes you very well.

* A wise man will know WHAT he believes and WHY.
* A wise man will KNOW his Standing WITH the Lord God and WHY.
* A wise man will REJECT an other man “speaking falsely FOR him, against him, with false accusations and claims.

You do not “EXPOSE” my Beliefs, I Do.
You Speak FOR me, things, I do NOT BELIEVE, Then Think you are WISE to Disagree with, that which YOU SAY FOR me.

I disagree with many of YOUR Beliefs, YOUR Gaslighting, YOUR False Claims.

You only EXPOSE yourself.
The Evidence in in your own posts.
 

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I don't want to go back over all the previous comments to find these, there is no need to tell you about your own theology and doctrines.


The posts are the Evidence you evade.
I know my own Beliefs.

But you obviously can't see your errors, so you take correction as personal attacks.

You re-writing what I say, to what YOU Say for me, then Disagreeing What you say FOR me…. IS NOT Correction…!!

You stated something to the effect that a sinner must first die before they can saved.

I pointed out your error there, by reminding you that everyone is born dead already so statement didn't make sense.

Disagree with you.
Everyone is NOT (born dead).
Making Sense IS a Carnal minded View, Not a Spiritual View.

If you took the time to read about the Bible doctrine of hell, you would find that nobody jumps into the lake of fire willingly. Jesus has to grab them and throw them in there Himself, of 'course they beg for mercy while He throwing them, b ut He shows no mercy at all

Lake of Fire, “screaming, begging for mercy”, IS False.
 

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There are three types of death described in the Bible,


You say: First Death

There is the first;
spiritual death, a separation from God.

You indicate: Second Death

Then there's the bodily death,
… your body returns to soil.


so those who die in their natural state are now dead spiritually and physically, (spiritually dead, being separated from God).

A repeated of # 1 and # 2 = the Third Death?

Your following Belief, SEEMS to be your View…according to your (Carnal (logical, makes sense) Understanding)

Those who were born again, during their lives on earth,, inherit eternal life in paradise. But those who died and weren't born again during their lives on earth will experience the second death, and that is permanent separation from God. They will spend eternity being tormented in hell.

There is no such thing as annihilation, or ceasing to exist. Both the born again and the damned continue to exist in their state forever. Death in the Bible never means cessation of existence, it only describes the state of the soul. Eternal death is the permanent state of separation, the individual experiences the horror of dying and separation forever.

My soul is saved now, because God has quickened me to life from my natural sate. I didn't have the option to chose to make myself alive as a dead man, since a dead man can do nothing to make himself alive. God had to make the first and final move to save me.

God gave me a new Spirit, but the old man/spirit hasn't been fully removed. The work of transformation and sanctification is ongoing and it will be completed when I receive my glorified sinless body in the life to come.
In the meantime, I die daily to self and wrestle against thew flesh. We don't achieve sinless perfection in this life.

Will address my Belief with my words.
 
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BORN ( BIRTH) must occur BEFORE a Death.

BORN… is SOMETHING ALIVE, coming forth OUT FROM SOMETHING Alive/Living.

A human Born Alive…is Mortally, Physically, Naturally Alive.

Mans Spiritual (Birth)) IS (Not physical, mortal, nor accomplished by a man coming forth OUT from God.)
Mans Spiritual Birth IS accomplished…
By, through, of Gods Declaration / Effecting His Spiritual Works.
* WHEN GOD SAYS… IT IS DONE, Accomplished.
* Gods Works IN a Man, Does Not present such Works as Visible to be Seen, by the EYES of physical Human Sight.

LIFE - natural
* There must BE Life Before there can be a Death.

* In the Womb… a develop-ing human HAS LIFE… (Life of a human body IS BLOOD)…
* A miscarriage, Abortion, Kills the Life, and the Dead Develop-ing Thing IS NOT Born Alive.

Born Alive - Naturally, is the Birth Required to Experience…a FIRST natural bodily Death.

Born alive naturally, is an Earthly BIRTH.
That Body has NOT experienced…
A Spiritual BIRTH.

A natural body IS Born of THE SEED of a human man, SEED of a human woman and The human man IS his father, and human woman is his mother.

The Born Thing/ babe/ child IS “separated from God spiritually”…
* That “child”…. Has a “Grace period / time”…
To Hear, Learn, About God….TASTE, experience…
Blessing From God…
AND
experience…
Love, Hate, Tribulations, wrath, scorn, threats, Lying, Theft, Cheating, Fighting, Oppression, exaltation, Justice, Injustice…
From OTHER MEN.


THAT child… like it or Not… will Grow…
AND… Freely Choose IN his OWN “inner self”, A BELIEF, a Path, a Way, for his OWN mortal Life to Live his natural Life…
* With or Without The Lord Jesus.
…. Gods Word.
* With or without Christ.
…. Gods Power.
* With or without God.
…. Heavenly Father.
* With or without other gods.
…. mens invented declarations for worship.
* With or without Idols.
…. Mens worshiped objects.
* With or without ministering Holy angels.
… God Sent to Earth.
* With or without deceiving fallen, unholy angels
…. God sent/ cast to Earth.

Key being…
Individuals Choose “for their OWN inner self”…. IF or What… THEY CHOOSE…


One individual Does Not Choose for Another.
Ding, ding, ding….
You Do Not Choose For me!
 

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You said Three types of Death, and expressly named Two.

1 Death.
Of Human Physical/mortal Body Natural Life (Blood) Required (by God).

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

2 DEATH
Human DEAD body’s … having their Living soul, Returned to their Physically Dead Body’s.
Their Body’s thus (have Soul Life , not Blood Life in Them.)
They Raised up.
They See the Judge before them.
They confess Belief.
They Bow / Worship their Judge.
Gods Evidence Books Are Opened.
* Gods Book of Life … Had their Name in the Beginning, but their Name was Blotted out When their Body DIED, not believing IN God.
* Lambs Book of Life … Reveal ONLY Names of men Baptized with Gods Holy Spirit, while the mans Body was Alive In his Bodily Life (Blood).


- Names Blotted out of Gods Book of Life AND names Never entered into the Lambs Book of Life…and Names …
Is the Lack of Evidence For them to Be Claimed by God… of such individual being Included with “Gods eternal People.”

Their First DEATH … blood dying, thus body dying.
Their Second DEATH … is Life IN The SOUL, returning to God…
WHAT is LEFT / Remains…
* a natural dead lifeless BODY
* a natural dead lifeless SPIRIT
* an unsaved Lifeless SOUL…

It IS :
The Lifeless Body, Soul, Spirit of Man…
That IS which “IS Destroyed IN HELL” …
Destroyed….Not Burned in Fire for ever and Ever.
Destroyed… no longer a human body, but Returned to Dust.
Destroyed… no longer with a living soul in a body that no longer exists, but is Dust.
Destroyed… no longer a heart, (natural truth) in a body that no longer exists.

For Ever… Shall that body, soul, spirit Be Dust.

Yet you Have … all unsaved human “men” alive, being Thrown INTO the Lake of Fire, screaming and pleading to God for Mercy for their agony to cease.

AND YOU Add … God shows their cries, No Mercy.


Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Dead Bodys Do Not scream and cry in fear or Pain… good grief… dead bodys’ are autopsied, cut, diced, cremated, eaten by animals…

Gods Mercy… FOR those AGAINST Him
IS to NOT Give THEM A “born again Spirit”, that Lives Forever”!!!


Spiritual LIFE, is given a man, AFTER a natural Bodily DEATH Occurs.



All human Body’s Shall Die
Their Blood Life Cease.

Soul “Life” (Gods Breath)… is not mortal, NEVER Dies.
Souls (Without) Gods Breath, ARE “lifeless souls”.

Spirit Life, IS TRUTH, And exists IN the Heart.
Natural spirit Life, is a mans Natural TRUTHS.
Example:
Your identity, your WORD, your belongings, your gifts, your blessings, your body, your blood, your beliefs, (which can change daily), your accomplishments, belong to YOU.

You CAN Freely Choose and AGREE (or Not) to have The Lord God…MAKE “your natural SPIRIT (Truth) circumcised”…
Cut OFF…
Regarding your Natural Truths ABOUT The Lord God AND ( in place thereof) RECEIVE Gods SEED, a Born Again SPIRIT, Gods WORD of TRUTH (that which APPLIES TO The Lord God…According “TO” God.).

A BORN AGAIN SPIRIT in a man… CAN NOT come to Pass:
Until AFTER:

* the mans Heartful Natural SPIRIT Believes;
* the mans BODY experiences a Death;
* the man IS Forgiven; for Having HAD “NOT Believed” ( in his natural spirit)
* the mans SOUL is Saved…
* the man RECEIVES Gods SEED.


You mix natural and spiritual things…
You have Living men AGAINST God experiencing LIFE Forever.

Humans HAVE a natural SPIRIT.
Humans CAN receive / A Supernatural SPIRIT.
Natural SPIRITS Can Die.
Natural SPIRITS Must be Circumcised, Before they can Become MADE a Spiritual Spirit ( that can Never Die).

Angels ARE SPIRITS. The can Never Die.
Angels, like mankind Have FREEWILL and Can , remain WITH God, or Stand AGAINST God.
The Lake of Fire is the Final Eternal PLACE FOR LIVING Angel Spirit, Against God.

You should take your own advice and actually read and study Gods Word…. And stop Speaking FOR And making Declarations FOR others.
 

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Yes: Our salvation from sin and eternal death is not dependent upon ourselves. Death cannot give itself life. Our salvation is from God, and it comes to us through our faith (believing) in Jesus Christ, who said:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned. (John 3:16-18a).


No: We have a responsibility: "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me." (John 15:4).

Satan's survey: Eve, now that I've told you all this, do you believe that if you disobey God's commandment you will surely die?

Eve: No! I will continue to be able to eat of the tree of life and live forever!

Life: The source of Immortality
The source of all life: God.


There is a long list of verses in the New Testament talking about the resurrection of the human body from the dead. Why would this be such an important subject in the Bible?

The Bible teaches us about the living [zao] God, who has life [zoe] in Himself, creating human beings and breathing life [zoe] into them in order that they may become living [zao] souls [psyche], so that they may live | may be alive [zao], each one in his own created body on the created earth.

The Bible does not teach us that God created human beings so that Adam or anyone else should "die and then go to heaven when they die" (that was not, and never has been God's purpose).

The resurrection of the human body from the dead is an integral part of the gospel:

In 1 Corinthians 15:26 we read that death is the enemy of God.

In Ezekiel 18:32 God says, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."

Paul said, "In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28); and "To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE [ZOE]
AND BEING ALIVE [ZAO]

zoe: Life (life itself). aionios zoe: eternal life. Source of life [zoe]: God.

God exists and has always existed. He exists from eternity unto eternity. The life [zoe] that is in God, which God alone possesses in Himself, is eternal life. The Bible tells us the following about Him:

"In the beginning was the Logos (Word), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life [zōḗ], and the life [zōḗ] is the light of men." (John 1:1-4).

"And the Logos (Word) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we (John the apostle and his companions) beheld his glory (the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.)" (John 1:14).

Jesus is the Logos (Word) of God in whom is life [zoe] who became flesh (a human being): He is the Son (of God).

zao: To live | to be alive (Zoe = life. Zao = to live | to be alive):

"In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).

"To us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:6).

Note: In the Greek New Testament eternal life [aionios zoe] is never called aionios zao:

Scripture also NEVER refers to a human being whose body has died as someone who is "zao" (as someone who is alive | living), but the Bible calls God "the living God" (the God who is zao: alive).

IMMORTALITY

God is a Spirit. When used in reference to God, the word zao is not associated with a human body. When used in reference to the resurrected Man Jesus Christ, the word zao is associated with His resurrected, glorified human body.

Jesus has eternal zoe | life in Himself and He is zao | alive forevermore, possessing His immortality:

-- "I am the First and the Last, and the Living [zao] One,
and I became dead [nekros], and behold, I am alive [zao] to the ages of the ages, Amen.
And I have the keys of hades and of death." (Revelation 1:17-18).​

Paul wrote, "He (Christ) alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen." (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

Immortality: To live | be alive [zao] forever (the body never dying or decaying).

Jesus alone has life [zoe] in Himself:

"For as the Father has life [zoe] in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life [zoe] within Himself" (John 5:26).


"God hath given to us eternal life [zoe], and this life [zoe] is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life [zoe]; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life [zoe]." (1 John 5:11-12).

In the Messiah we have eternal life. Only in the Messiah. Eternal life exists in the Messiah alone.

"When the Messiah, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." (Colossians 3:4).

The source of immortality is the continual supply of eternal life. The source of the continual supply of eternal life, is God. The analogy Jesus gives us of this, is living [zao] water (water that is alive). (John 4:10-11; John 7:38), fountains of living waters (Revelation 7:17), a river of water of life [zoe]; the tree of life.

"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life [zoe] - water as clear as crystal - pouring out from the throne of God and of the Lamb. On each side of the river is the tree of life [zoe] producing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month of the year. Its leaves are for the healing of the nations." (Revelation 22:1-2).

The water of life [zoe] flows continually. This implies that created human beings need to continually drink of the living [zao] water, because unlike Jesus, we do not have life [zoe] in ourselves.

Jesus said, "The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life [zoe]." (John 6:63).

Paul said, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of the LORD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Another analogy Jesus gave of this is what He called "abiding in the Vine":

--- I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you, because if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned, and as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. --- (John 15:4-6, verses rearranged).

Jesus has eternal zoe | life in Himself and He is zao forevermore, possessing His immortality:

Can created human beings possess their own immortality?

Created human beings do not possess eternal life [zoe] in ourselves. The Bible teaches us about the living [zao] God, who has life [zoe] in Himself, creating human beings and breathing life [zoe] into them in order that they may become living [zao] souls [psyche], so that they may live | may be alive [zao], each one in his own created body on the created earth.

Adam and Eve were the first created human beings, and they represent all created human beings, all other human beings having been procreated from the same genetic seed.

After creating Adam, God commanded him: "Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof dying you will die." (Genesis 2:17).

But "the serpent said to the woman, 'You shall NOT surely die.'" (Genesis 3:4).

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Life [zoe] is in the Word of God (John 1:4).

It is the Word of God Himself that the first created human beings sinned against by believing the lie.
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Adam evidently did not possess (his own) immortality, or have eternal life IN HIMSELF, because the moment he disobeyed the commandment, his body began to slowly die.

He was also prevented from eating from the tree of life [zoe] and living [zao] forever after this (Genesis 3:22-24).

In Romans 5:12 Paul explains that "sin entered the world through one man (Adam), and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned";

and in 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 Paul tells us that "since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also came through a man. For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]" - and it's the quickening of the dead body that Paul is referring to.

In the last chapter of the Bible the tree of life is seen as having been made available to created human beings again (Revelation 22:1-22).

THE SOURCE OF LIFE IS GOD. WE NEED TO CONTINUALLY DRINK OF THE LIVING WATER OF THE WORD OF GOD IN WHOM IS ETERNAL LIFE [ZOE] BY ABIDING IN JESUS.​
 
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* A wise man will know WHAT he believes and WHY.
* A wise man will KNOW his Standing WITH the Lord God and WHY.
* A wise man will REJECT an other man “speaking falsely FOR him, against him, with false accusations and claims.

You do not “EXPOSE” my Beliefs, I Do.
You Speak FOR me, things, I do NOT BELIEVE, Then Think you are WISE to Disagree with, that which YOU SAY FOR me.

I disagree with many of YOUR Beliefs, YOUR Gaslighting, YOUR False Claims.

You only EXPOSE yourself.
The Evidence in in your own posts.
You haven't defended a single charge I made against your unbiblical doctrines. Simply denying the charges and accusing me of making false allegations, doesn't help your case at all. It just makes it worse
 

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The posts are the Evidence you evade.
I know my own Beliefs.



You re-writing what I say, to what YOU Say for me, then Disagreeing What you say FOR me…. IS NOT Correction…!!
God said it, but God is a liar according to you. Wow!!!
 

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BORN ( BIRTH) must occur BEFORE a Death.

BORN… is SOMETHING ALIVE, coming forth OUT FROM SOMETHING Alive/Living.

A human Born Alive…is Mortally, Physically, Naturally Alive.

Mans Spiritual (Birth)) IS (Not physical, mortal, nor accomplished by a man coming forth OUT from God.)
Mans Spiritual Birth IS accomplished…
By, through, of Gods Declaration / Effecting His Spiritual Works.
* WHEN GOD SAYS… IT IS DONE, Accomplished.
* Gods Works IN a Man, Does Not present such Works as Visible to be Seen, by the EYES of physical Human Sight.

LIFE - natural
* There must BE Life Before there can be a Death.

* In the Womb… a develop-ing human HAS LIFE… (Life of a human body IS BLOOD)…
* A miscarriage, Abortion, Kills the Life, and the Dead Develop-ing Thing IS NOT Born Alive.

Born Alive - Naturally, is the Birth Required to Experience…a FIRST natural bodily Death.

Born alive naturally, is an Earthly BIRTH.
That Body has NOT experienced…
A Spiritual BIRTH.

A natural body IS Born of THE SEED of a human man, SEED of a human woman and The human man IS his father, and human woman is his mother.

The Born Thing/ babe/ child IS “separated from God spiritually”…
* That “child”…. Has a “Grace period / time”…
To Hear, Learn, About God….TASTE, experience…
Blessing From God…
AND
experience…
Love, Hate, Tribulations, wrath, scorn, threats, Lying, Theft, Cheating, Fighting, Oppression, exaltation, Justice, Injustice…
From OTHER MEN.


THAT child… like it or Not… will Grow…
AND… Freely Choose IN his OWN “inner self”, A BELIEF, a Path, a Way, for his OWN mortal Life to Live his natural Life…
* With or Without The Lord Jesus.
…. Gods Word.
* With or without Christ.
…. Gods Power.
* With or without God.
…. Heavenly Father.
* With or without other gods.
…. mens invented declarations for worship.
* With or without Idols.
…. Mens worshiped objects.
* With or without ministering Holy angels.
… God Sent to Earth.
* With or without deceiving fallen, unholy angels
…. God sent/ cast to Earth.

Key being…
Individuals Choose “for their OWN inner self”…. IF or What… THEY CHOOSE…


One individual Does Not Choose for Another.
Ding, ding, ding….
You Do Not Choose For me!
All of the above is utter foolish unbiblical nonsense, you invented your own religion and it has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.

None of what you say and believe is true, all of that is your own foolish imagination. The Bible doesn't support a single point you tried t make, all of it is hogwash from start to finish.

It's evident that you can't receive spiritual things, as they are spiritually discerned and you are carnal. God says you are born dead, but as usual you reject everything God said because you have created your own false god, who is your idol.

you claim that a dead man can choose to make himself alive, but God's Word shows that you're a liar. Because God said dead men can do nothing. And I would put it to you that a dead man can do nothing other than stink.

There's no need to correct the rest of your silly points, they expose you much better than I could.