Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Behold]

There are quite a few on this thread telling of the truth of scripture.

You're not in that group, of people on this forum or on any forum, who understand God's Blood atonement.

What you should do, is trust in Christ to keep you saved, as this gives Jesus ALL the credit for your Salvation, that He earned.
But you dont do this, you try to take the credit for yourself, by trying to do things to keep yourself saved.
So, this rejects God's Salvation, but proves your incredible self righteousness @GodsGrace .

 

[GodsGrace]

The Christian is "complete in Christ'....Colossians 2:10 (KJV) ... and this means that ALL the born again have received by faith, one time and forever.. = God's Salvation = that is Finished by Jesus on The Cross, 200 yrs ago.
This is why Jesus told you "it is Finished'.
So, when you are trying to keep or finish what He has completed that makes us 'complete in him" then yoiu are certainly not able to understand God's Gift of Salvaiton who IS Jesus on the Cross.
And you'll. keep proving you dont understand it.

Salvation is Eternal Life, and all Christians have received "the Gift of Eternal life".

Eternal Life is not temporary, and its not based on how you behave after you have received it from Jesus, who Himself is our Eternal life.

Salvation is not behavior based, its CROSS of Christ Based........and why this is such a hard thing for most Christians to comprehend, is because they were taught to not understand it by people who didnt and never will.

Unfortunately, the NT does not agree with you.

Hebrews teaches.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.


It is possible to FALL AWAY.


Peter teaches:

2 Peter 2.19-22
19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."


It is possible to know the way of righteousness and then turn away....
like a dog that RETURNS to its vomit.

RETURNS means that a person was there...then left...then RETURNED.
IOW,,,they fell away from the faith.



Jesus taught we could go astray:

Matthew 18:12
12 "What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine * on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying?

 

[GodsGrace]

You're not in that group, of people on this forum or on any forum, who understand God's Blood atonement.

You dont trust in Christ to keep you saved, so you are trying to do it for yourself.

Isn't that right Ms Abiding to try to stay saved?

"But the verse says"..

You have no idea what it means.

What you should do, is trust in Christ to keep you saved, as this gives Jesus ALL the credit for your Salvation, that He earned.
But you dont do this, you try to take the credit for yourself, by trying to do things to keep yourself saved.
So, this rejects God's Salvation, but proves your incredible self righteousness @GodsGrace .

What do you believe the blood atonement accomplished?
WHY did Jesus have to die?

 

[Behold]

What do you believe the blood atonement accomplished?

It accomplished your eternal forgiveness and your eternal salvation.

WHY did Jesus have to die?

Because God so loved the world that He gave us a WAY to be reconciled to Himself forever......and Jesus is the WAY... John 14:6

 

[Behold]

It is possible to FALL AWAY.

You cant fall away from being born again., as this is a spiritual Birth.

However an unbeliever can believe for a little while, and later fall away......and that happens because they were enlightened, and knew the truth, but they didnt mix it with faith........they only came to the knowledge of the Truth and accepted it AS the truth.

These are the people who know its true, the Gospel, but decide to "do that later"......>"I have time".
So, they know its true, but they have not completed this with real faith.
Yet they know to do it.........becasue they know that Jesus is The Savior and they need to be saved.


or/

A Chrisitan can "fall from Grace"........and that means they once understood that Jesus is their entire Salvaiton, but they became deceived, and lost this revelation, and now they are trying to keep themselves saved, vs, trusting in the SAVIOR....who is the only way to be saved and stay saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

It accomplished your eternal forgiveness and your eternal salvation.

How?

Because God so loved the world that He gave us a WAY to be reconciled to Himself forever......and Jesus is the WAY... John 14:6

How?

 

[GodsGrace]

You cant fall away from being born again., as this is a spiritual Birth.

However an unbeliever can believe for a little while, and later fall away......and that happens because they were enlightened, and knew the truth, but they didnt mix it with faith........they only came to the knowledge of the Truth and accepted it AS the truth.

So an UNBELIEVER can be a Christian?
(who then falls away....)

I thought a BELIEVER was a Christian.

So we could have the truth...be a believer for a while....

but we forgot to mix it with faith??

So, a person could BE A BELIEVER
but
NOT HAVE FAITH.

Is there some scripture for the above idea?

These are the people who know its true, the Gospel, but decide to "do that later"......>"I have time".
So, they know its true, but they have not completed this with real faith.
Yet they know to do it.........becasue they know that Jesus is The Savior and they need to be saved.


or/

A Chrisitan can "fall from Grace"........and that means they once understood that Jesus is their entire Salvaiton, but they became deceived, and lost this revelation, and now they are trying to keep themselves saved, vs, trusting in the SAVIOR....who is the only way to be saved and stay saved.

So, Jesus says one could fall away....
but the simple statement needs clarification from you.

And doing the will of God....good works....
is turning away from God.

Is there some scripture for the above idea?

Please post scripture just as I do.

You keep posting YOUR opinions and your opinions may not agree with the NT teachings.

 

[Behold]

So an UNBELIEVER can be a Christian?
(who then falls away....)

A Chritian can become many types of things.

Calvinist.
MaryCult
Mormon
JW
Dead Faith

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Falling from Grace is not the idea of falling from Salvation.

Salvation has an end result that happens as soon as you receive Salvation.. And this end result is that you are BORN.. AGAIN.
So, that never ends, as you cant end a Spiritual Birth.

However, the way you understand Theology.......regarding your Salvation, can become confused and subverted by people who teach wrong theology, who are become ministers of the Devil.
The NT says they are "ministers of righteousness".. yet, they are teaching it according to SELF Righteousness.
This is defined in Heb 13:9 as "doctrines of Devils".

The aim of a Doctrine of Devils is to ruin your understanding of God's Grace, so that you no longer have the Revelation.
And once that happens, then you are deceived, or as Paul defines it....>>"who has BEWITCHED you, so that you no longer obey the Truth".

So what stops this from happening?
Heb 13:9 explains that you must "establish your heart wtih GRACE"...
And that means you have to understand that Jesus not only saved you, but keeps you saved.

See the "keeps you saved" part ??????
This is the part that becomes "broken faith", in a person who is trying to stay saved.
They no longer believe that Jesus keeps them saved., and at that moment, they become "fallen from Grace".

 

[Behold]

Reader,

You are not saved by FAITH.

You are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice, becasue you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God".

Its completed. Colossians 2:10

So........What now?

Your Disciplship begins.
The "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved, but because you ARE SAVED.

You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

 

[nedsk]

Faith does not save anyone.
Did Faith die on The Cross?

Thats a NO...

See, Jesus is the Savior, not faith.

Now.....God accepts our faith, to the GIVE US, = Salvation.

And once we have it, its eternal., because its ETERNAL LIFE.

Later, if you have a faith crisis, you have it, after you already have Salvation which is Eternal Life.

Now if you are just water baptized and religious, then you hvae nothing but a cult teaching.

So, when i say, """you have salvation"""" this means you are BORN AGAIN..........not water bapotized,...... but BORN /Again by the Spirit of God and are become a "new Creation" IN CHRIST".
So, THAT is the proof you have Salvation......as the only proof is that you are BORN AGAIN............not water baptized, but BORN AGAIN.

Now, after you are born again, if you have a faith crisis, then you have it while being BORN AGAIN......so your Salvation never changes., as its an Eternal Gift from God., its Eternal Life.

This is a novel approach. Everyone is saved then because Jesus died on the cross not faith. Excellent.

And once we have salvation we cant lose it because its eternal therefore I can do whatever I please. This is exciting news!

Why does salvation need to be proved? Jesus doesnt know you have faith? And I dont care what you think about whether Im saved or not so why is proof needed?

You people just talk in rote responses and it seems as if you couldnt care less if what you're saying makes any sense or not.

 

[nedsk]

A Chritian can become many types of things.

Calvinist.
MaryCult
Mormon
JW
Dead Faith

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Falling from Grace is not the idea of falling from Salvation.

Salvation has an end result that happens as soon as you receive Salvation.. And this end result is that you are BORN.. AGAIN.
So, that never ends, as you cant end a Spiritual Birth.

However, the way you understand Theology.......regarding your Salvation, can become confused and subverted by people who teach wrong theology, who are become ministers of the Devil.
The NT says they are "ministers of righteousness".. yet, they are teaching it according to SELF Righteousness.
This is defined in Heb 13:9 as "doctrines of Devils".

The aim of a Doctrine of Devils is to ruin your understanding of God's Grace, so that you no longer have the Revelation.
And once that happens, then you are deceived, or as Paul defines it....>>"who has BEWITCHED you, so that you no longer obey the Truth".

So what stops this from happening?
Heb 13:9 explains that you must "establish your heart wtih GRACE"...
And that means you have to understand that Jesus not only saved you, but keeps you saved.

See the "keeps you saved" part ??????
This is the part that becomes "broken faith", in a person who is trying to stay saved.
They no longer believe that Jesus keeps them saved., and at that moment, they become "fallen from Grace".

They also come on the protestant type which is the most sad type. The think volume of content carries an argument and they have a very high regard of themselves. Id say prideful best describes the protestant type of "christian".

 

[ProDeo]

Do you want to show me Daniel and Mark and some others?

No need.



The Trib is not waiting for the born again, its waiting for those who "have not obeyed the Gospel".

Scripture I posted was not about the Matt 24 tribulation, but about the sower (the passages you snipped and did not comment) and the 3 types of Christians Jesus described, 2 of them failed.

The born again have already obeyed it when they BELIEVED IT, as that is how you obey it.

I have seen you arguing that born again can not be unborn and that those sealed with the Holy Spirit can not be unsealed, but those phrases are not in Scripture, in fact the opposite is in Scripture. I already gave King Solomon and Hymenaeus and Alexander.

1Tim 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,
1Tim 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Note among whom, meaning there were more than 2.

Hebr 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Hebr 6:5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Hebr 6:6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

Scriptural examples : King Solomon, Hymenaeus, Alexander among others, just as Jesus said in the parable of the sower. Unborn, unsealed.

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I have seen Christians fall away, become an agnostic and turning against Christ notable in an old no longer existing Bible Forum. Perhaps @shepherdsword will remember ME (his initials only), a brilliant Bible student, I learned a lot from him. A shock wave went through the forum.

I have witnessed 2 cases of pedophiles, church going Christians raping and ruining children, one case even in our own church.

I have witnessed a good friend, a fine Christian, married and leader of a Christian organization to fall in love with his secretary, he divorced his wife and lived together with her in a sinful relationship. Then he came back to his senses, ended the relationship and re-married his wife. The prodigal son came home, so far so good. But no, not so long after he divorced his wife again and went back to her and as today (as far as I know) they continue to live in this sinful relationship.

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Finally let's have a look at the worldwide Church and what we see :

1. Adultery is rampant, how many will repent?
2. Likewise sinful remarriages, how many will repent?

3. Millions and millions lost their faith in the Bible because of Darwin Evolution Theory and thus their faith in Christ.
4. Many, many young enthusiastic Christians who went Bible School and lost their faith of what they learned about the Bible over there. The most known one, Bart Ehrman.

I heard the argument (speaking in general), these millions and millions were never born again.

Fact is, you don't know that, you can't know that, only God knows that.

Hebrew 6 is clear enough.

Hebr 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,

The other side of the OSAS medal.

 

[ProDeo]

You're not in that group, of people on this forum or on any forum, who understand God's Blood atonement.

You dont trust in Christ to keep you saved, so you are trying to do it for yourself.

Isn't that right Ms Abiding to try to stay saved?

"But the verse says"..

You have no idea what it means.

What you should do, is trust in Christ to keep you saved, as this gives Jesus ALL the credit for your Salvation, that He earned.
But you dont do this, you try to take the credit for yourself, by trying to do things to keep yourself saved.
So, this rejects God's Salvation, but proves your incredible self righteousness @GodsGrace .

And there we go again, insults and judgements.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You have twisted the meaning of every one of those verses, in a vein attempt to make them support your Arminian theology.

Matt 7:13-14 does not say that those who enter at the narrow gate can lose their salvation. You just made that up didn't you!

In Matt 13:20-21, you twisted the word of Jesus again to support your false Arminian theology. You quote Jesus as saying "they believe for a while" but Jesus never said anything like that. Jesus never said thewy were saved then they lost their salvation.
He said, "they immediately receive the word with joy", in other word they do what most professing Christian, (false converts) do. They answer the alter call and walk down the isle, where they repeat the sinners prayer and they are told that they are saved.
But it was all a big fake show to fool the public, but God is not fooled, nor is He mocked because each will receive what he has sowed.

Then you go and butcher John 15:6 by falsely claiming that Jesus cuts members of His Body off and casts them into the fire. That would make Him a very sick and twisted psychopath, who is into self mutilation. But thank God He is not how you describe Him.

The Lord never ever cuts off members of His Body to cast into he fire. Jesus said, "if anyone does not abide in Me", but you twisted it to make it support your twisted Arminian theology and make it say that those members of His Body who leave His body will be burned.

The Body of the Lord, is not subject to corruption from within. The Lord doesn't graft the wicked reprobate branches into His Body to begin with, He's not stupid. He can't be fooled by the wicked reprobate, so they can never be added to His body, to begin with.

Then you go and butcher 2 Peter 2:20-21 and twist the meaning to make it say something it's not saying at all. You falsely claim that the verses say that "a person was once saved and returned to sin", but the verses never said any such silly thing.

How did you arrive at the conclusion, that those who escaped the pollution of the word through the knowledge of the Lord and saviour, means that they were saved. The bible never makes any such foolish claims at all, those who heard the gospel escaped the pollution (lies of the word) and heard the truth, but they were not believers and they proved it by going straight back to serving their sin and Satan.

So you can't say that those who were always slaves to sin and Satan, were saved and then abandoned God to serve Satan again, that's just rubbish and it makes a mocker of the work of the Holy Spirit, with is the unpardonable sin. So don't go there

None of those others you mentioned were ever saved, Judas was a false convert. That's why it would have been better that he was never born. The others were all false converts as well. And James 5;19-20 was spoken to the brethren, meaning saved men, who may have back slid but they were never lost because God uses His men to shepherd them back in to the flock every single time.

You won't find a single example in the bible where a born again believer loses their salvation. to suggest such a thing is pure demonic doctrine.

You have twisted the meaning of every one of those verses, in a vein attempt to make them support your Arminian theology.

Matt 7:13-14 does not say that those who enter at the narrow gate can lose their salvation. You just made that up didn't you!

In Matt 13:20-21, you twisted the word of Jesus again to support your false Arminian theology. You quote Jesus as saying "they believe for a while" but Jesus never said anything like that. Jesus never said thewy were saved then they lost their salvation.
He said, "they immediately receive the word with joy", in other word they do what most professing Christian, (false converts) do. They answer the alter call and walk down the isle, where they repeat the sinners prayer and they are told that they are saved.
But it was all a big fake show to fool the public, but God is not fooled, nor is He mocked because each will receive what he has sowed.

Then you go and butcher John 15:6 by falsely claiming that Jesus cuts members of His Body off and casts them into the fire. That would make Him a very sick and twisted psychopath, who is into self mutilation. But thank God He is not how you describe Him.

The Lord never ever cuts off members of His Body to cast into he fire. Jesus said, "if anyone does not abide in Me", but you twisted it to make it support your twisted Arminian theology and make it say that those members of His Body who leave His body will be burned.

The Body of the Lord, is not subject to corruption from within. The Lord doesn't graft the wicked reprobate branches into His Body to begin with, He's not stupid. He can't be fooled by the wicked reprobate, so they can never be added to His body, to begin with.

Then you go and butcher 2 Peter 2:20-21 and twist the meaning to make it say something it's not saying at all. You falsely claim that the verses say that "a person was once saved and returned to sin", but the verses never said any such silly thing.

How did you arrive at the conclusion, that those who escaped the pollution of the word through the knowledge of the Lord and saviour, means that they were saved. The bible never makes any such foolish claims at all, those who heard the gospel escaped the pollution (lies of the word) and heard the truth, but they were not believers and they proved it by going straight back to serving their sin and Satan.

So you can't say that those who were always slaves to sin and Satan, were saved and then abandoned God to serve Satan again, that's just rubbish and it makes a mocker of the work of the Holy Spirit, with is the unpardonable sin. So don't go there

None of those others you mentioned were ever saved, Judas was a false convert. That's why it would have been better that he was never born. The others were all false converts as well. And James 5;19-20 was spoken to the brethren, meaning saved men, who may have back slid but they were never lost because God uses His men to shepherd them back in to the flock every single time.

You won't find a single example in the bible where a born again believer loses their salvation. to suggest such a thing is pure demonic doctrine.

You claim that no true believer can fall away, yet Jesus Himself warned many times about the danger of turning back. In Matthew 7:13-14 He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” He spoke of a way that must be walked, not a one-time event. If all who enter are guaranteed salvation, why warn that the way is hard and few find it?

In Matthew 13:20-21, Jesus clearly says of the rocky-ground hearer, “he hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.” He believed and endured for a while—but then fell away. Jesus did not call them “false converts.” He said they received the word with joy but later abandoned it.In John 15:6, Jesus speaks to His disciples, the branches already in Him: “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.” It is not I who say a branch once in Him can be cut off—Jesus Himself says so. A branch cannot be cast out of the vine unless it was first in the vine.

Peter warns in 2 Peter 2:20-21: “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.” Peter speaks of those who knew Christ, escaped sin, and then returned—proving that falling away is possible and dangerous.

You say Judas was never saved, yet Jesus chose him, called him, gave him power to heal, and sent him to preach the kingdom. He fell not because Jesus was fooled, but because he turned aside. And James 5:19-20 warns believers, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.” Why would James speak of saving a soul from death if wandering believers could never truly be lost?

You say the Bible has no example of a believer losing salvation, yet Jesus Himself says, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). Salvation is promised to those who continue, not those who begin and later turn back. To deny this is to contradict Christ.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus put these conditions in place. I would be careful.
1) My sheep hear my voice
2) I know them
3) They follow me

But those are not conditions. They are all things which Jesus says are true of His sheep but are not true of those who are not His sheep. In John 10 He wasn't giving instructions about how to become one of His sheep. Indeed, He actually told some of His hearers that they did not believe because they were not His sheep:

““But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.” (Joh 10:26 NKJV)

He didn't say, "You can become My sheep if you believe."

 

[Behold]

This is a novel approach. Everyone is saved then because Jesus died on the cross not faith. Excellent.

What you posted is "Universalism".....= that everyone is automatically saved, based on being Born.
And this is of course a lie, because the gospel of Universalism is a "doctrine of devils".
Jesus corrects this CULT lie and tells us that we must be "born again" to become "Saved".
Not water baptised, but BORN.... again... Spiritually.

A.) God has offered Jesus as the Universal OFFER of Salvation, and "all who will believe", shall be saved"...... John 3:16-17

 

[Behold]

They also come on the protestant type which is the most sad type. The think volume of content carries an argument and they have a very high regard of themselves. Id say prideful best describes the protestant type of "christian".

What is more prideful then a cult member who believes that their denomination is the "one true church" and all others are not?

And the pathetic thing, is that they are taught this PRIDE, by their MaryCult.

 

[shepherdsword]

But those are not conditions. They are all things which Jesus says are true of His sheep but are not true of those who are not His sheep. In John 10 He wasn't giving instructions about how to become one of His sheep. Indeed, He actually told some of His hearers that they did not believe because they were not His sheep:

““But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.” (Joh 10:26 NKJV)

He didn't say, "You can become My sheep if you believe."

Of course they are conditions. If they are not met then you are not his sheep

 

[Behold]

Scripture I posted was not about the Matt 24 tribulation, but about the sower (the passages you snipped and did not comment) and the 3 types of Christians Jesus described, 2 of them failed.

Salvation can't fail the Christian.
But the Christian can fail to understand their Salvation.
Forums like this one, are infected with these diaper baby believers.

Hebrews 6:1 defines this type of spiritual infant.

I have seen you arguing that born again can not be unborn and that those sealed with the Holy Spirit can not be unsealed, but those phrases are not in Scripture, in fact the opposite is in Scripture. I already gave King Solomon and Hymenaeus and Alexander.

The verse "sealed unto the day of Redemption" is a bible verse.
So, if you buy yourself a bible, you may go and find that NT verse.

1Tim 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

And Christians who are teaching that God's Salvation is only as good as their behavior, are being "handed over" all the time... so that they "learn not to blaspheme".
Are you next, as you seem to want to find out. @ProDeo

Note among whom, meaning there were more than 2.

Hebr 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened,

Your verse says they were ""enlightened"", it does not say they became Christians.
It does not say they were born again.
Can't you read @ProDeo ??????????

Your verse is talking to unsaved JEWS (Hebrews) who are rejecting their Messiah, while the Apostle is warning them not to do it.

Read Acts 28:28, as its the same thing.

I have seen Christians fall away,

A Christian who believes they can lose their salvation has "Fallen From Grace"

 

[shepherdsword]

If you are a Christian, born again, then you are born again into God........as "One with God"......."in Christ".
So, you are now "seated in heavenly places"......"translated from darkness, to Light".

See what has happened?
The sinner, has been born again SPIRITUALLY... = as a "new Creation", into the KOG, which is a Spiritual Kingdom.
This is why Jesus said that the "KOG" is "within you"......as He's speaking of Himself.

Jude speaks of those "Twice dead" and plucked by the roots. Those are ones who did not bear any fruit. This is inline with what Jesus said about those who do not bear fruit:

Jude 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;