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[Behold]

and does forever extend to the afterlife?

When we Give God our Faith in Christ........God gives us some Eternal Gifts.

1.) "The Gift of Salvation"

2.) "THe Gift of Righteousness"

3.) "THe Gift of Eternal Life".....and eternal life "extends" forever.

sounds like you are calling faith "good" and 'doubt' bad, but you don't think you will care in the afterlife?

God requires that we Give Him our Faith in Christ, as this is why God will give a sinner the Salvation that Jesus has completed on The Cross.

Christians are "JUSTFIED< by Faith" "without works or deeds of the Law".

 

[Gottservant]

When we Give God our Faith in Christ........God gives us some Eternal Gifts.

1.) "The Gift of Salvation"

2.) "THe Gift of Righteousness"

3.) "THe Gift of Eternal Life".....and eternal life "extends" forever.

Gifts, yes - I believe that. I believe it now and in expectation of later.

God requires that we Give Him our Faith in Christ, as this is why God will give a sinner the Salvation that Jesus has completed on The Cross.

Christians are "JUSTFIED< by Faith" "without works or deeds of the Law".

Yes, but I am asking you why you care now, but not later? Heaven is not done, simply because we die.

 

[One 2 question]

Certainly you understand that if you discovered A deceived person who would be found teaching the false Gospel = "Universalism".. on a "christian" forum or in a Church Pulpit or on a Youtube Video, or a commentary..... a False Gospel that is designed by the demonic, then this person will not be receiving visions or revelations from God.
You would certainly understand that their very Salvation is unlikely, at best.
And i know that you can realize, that God who wrapped Himself in Human flesh and became one of US< to offer the Sacrifice of Jesus's Body and blood to ALL of us.. will not be giving Revelations and "Visions' to someone or anyone who shares a false Gospel that insults the very Cross of Christ, itself, and is designed to lead unbelievers into HELL.

God would never give "visions" to that False one... , and im sure you understand this, perfectly. @One 2 question .

I will focus on visions, dreams, prophecies which Jesus gives to His body, the church to build her up as she becomes more mature and complete.

I'm not interested in any that don't come from Jesus. The indwelling Spirit ensures we know what is from the Good Shepherd and what's from a stranger.

And if a tare (untruth) is sown in with the wheat (truth) then as the Spirit has in the past, He will continue to identify and expose them.

The truth will be made know by whatever means He chooses. This I'm certain of.

 

[One 2 question]

Gifts, yes - I believe that. I believe it now and in expectation of later.

Yes, but I am asking you why you care now, but not later? Heaven is not done, simply because we die.

Yes, the greatest life is in the eternal life to come when we not only get to restore and fully develop this planet but all of creation that is currently groaning while it is subject to decay. We get to answer the prayers of the whole of creation. Isn't this awesome! What a fantastic hope we have!!

 

[Behold]

Yes, but I am asking you why you care now, but not later? Heaven is not done, simply because we die.

You question makes no sense.

You are asking me if i "care now".......

So care about what?

 

[Behold]

I will focus on visions, dreams, prophecies which Jesus gives to His body, the church to build her up as she becomes more mature and complete.

The NT tells you to study the Bible to learn what God wants you to know.

You're not interested, i noted.

I'm not interested in any that don't come from Jesus.

You wont be able to tell the difference between the voice of a demon in your head and what you think is the HS.
The Demonic counterfeits the HS, as "visions" and "inner leading" and "inner voices".

So....Let me ask you a question for you to explain.

Explain why Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved no matter how you behave..

Explain that.

 

[Webers_Home]

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It's one thing to discuss Hell from the perspective of an armchair expert with
no emotional attachment, while quite another when one of your own might
be down there.

My kid brother decided early to live life on his own terms and not allow
religion to get in his way. As a result, he was secular his entire life before
passing away back in March of 2016 at 71 of pancreatic cancer. Well; if
there's a Hell, it's pretty certain my brother is down there; and that
suspicion has a very strong effect on my thoughts and feelings about eternal
suffering.

The thing is; my brother isn't just another nondescript skull in the gene
pool: he's my kin, my very next of kin actually, We were born the same
year: me in January and him in December. We grew up in the same home,
were nurtured by the same parents, ate the same foods, attended the same
church, and slept in the same bed for a while till dad got us some bunks. We
had mostly the same friends, and kept each other company and were
playmates together for quite a few years throughout childhood. Our life
together as juniors joined us at the hip, so to speak: forging a lifelong bond
that no amount of disagreement had ever broken.

My brother is a pretty tough guy, but Hell is designed to break people down,
and I fear that today my once-fearless adventuresome brother is now a
squeaky little gerbil wishing he'd taken an interest in religion when it
mattered the most.

There's an incident depicted in the 16th chapter of Luke wherein folks on
both sides of the afterlife are able to communicate. Well; I hope that's still
possible because I'd really like to visit my brother as often as I can before
he's transferred to the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15 because after
that, it's very likely I'll never get to see him ever again. And it appears from
Rev 21:3-5 that we're in for a memory wipe so I'll not even remember his
name and it'll be like he never existed; which is actually a blessing because
it would be very unpleasant to have thoughts of my kid brother haunting me
forever.

Pop Clock Update: 4,858 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 267,656,368
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Gottservant]

You question makes no sense.

You are asking me if i "care now".......

So care about what?

The difference between this life and the next. You can't just say "I am focussing on the next life" that is disingenuous - the difference between this life and the next matters as much as the next.

You are basically saying "I don't need wisdom, I will be in Heaven"?

 

[Webers_Home]

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The way I understand it; Hell isn't only about retribution. It's also a
containment utilized for quarantine. In other words: the supreme being
doesn't want folks around Him that are capable of theft any more than folks
capable of dishonesty.

Books to be opened at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15
will not only determine folks' just deserts, but the sins inventoried therein
will quite possibly be entered into evidence as proof they are capable of
unacceptable behaviors.

Pop Clock Update: 4,863 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 267,931,848
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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● Rev 21:3-4 . . Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with
them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be
their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more
death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed
away.

Much of the tears, the mourning, the crying, and the pain will most certainly
be related to the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, which
will likely be a public spectacle.

In other words: people will have to watch as friends, family, associates, and
loved ones are literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to
speak, shrieking, sobbing, screaming, weeping, yelping, and bellowing like
wounded dogs as their eyes dart about in sheer white-knuckled panic,
desperately looking for someone, anyone, to help them as powerful celestial
beings drag them off to death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of
molten iron.

The Bible says the lost will be given a fair trial (Jude 1:14-15) which
suggests some of us might be subpoenaed as witnesses for the prosecution
where we will have to testify, not for but instead against, people we know
and love; including our own, i.e. moms, dads, brothers, sisters,
grandparents, and quite possibly spouses too.

When I was a child, perdition was academic, i.e. an article of faith. But not
anymore because now I'm 81+ and most of my family has passed on. It's
very, probable that my mom and two of my three brothers will have to face
justice at the great white throne event. Somebody else's kin facing that
throne is one thing, but quite a different feeling about it when it's likely to be
your own in that fix.

Now; whether the lake of fire speaks of termination plus suffering, or only
termination, is debatable; but one thing is for sure: according to Dan 12:2
and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted per person.
Therefore nobody is coming back from the second death because the dead
will use up their one and only resurrection to face justice.

Pop Clock Update: 4,868 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 268,207,328
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Webers_Home]

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When the dead stand to face justice per Rev 20:11-15, they won't be
disembodied, rather, they'll be physical due to the process of restoring their
remains to life, i.e. resurrected.

● Dan 12:2 . . And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
contempt.

● John 5:28-29 . . A time is coming when all who are in their graves will
hear the voice of the Son of Man and come out-- those who have done good
will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

The two physical resurrections are somewhat juxtaposed by Rev 20:4-6 &
Rev 20:13

* I'd imagine the lake of fire will be a terrible disappointment for the
beautiful people. It's bad enough they lose their looks the first time around:
losing their looks all over again will be devastating.

Pop Clock Update: 4,877 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
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There may be, might be, some consolation relative to the lake of fire
depicted by Rev 20:11-15. The reason that I suspect so is because not only
will people's resurrected bodies be destroyed in the lake, but also their
souls.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather,
be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Hell." (Matt
10:28)

The human soul makes its first appearance in Gen 2:7 whereby Adam
became a being as opposed to a vegetable, viz: soul is that portion of
Adam's existence that made him a conscious individual.

Down in the netherworld, disembodied people exist as souls. (e.g. Isa 14:9
10, Ps 16:8-10, Luke 16:19-31, and Acts 2:25-31) but that situation is
temporary. The souls of the lost will eventually be destroyed by the hand of
God.

Well; I'm seriously puzzled about something. If people cast into the lake of
fire will be there sans a living body and a living soul, i.e. won't be there as
conscious individuals, then how am I supposed to describe their situation
without bucking conventional Christianity's traditional belief that the lost are
on track to everlasting conscious suffering?

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● Rom 5:10 . .We shall be [protected] by his life.

Folks unified with Christ are not only reckoned joint principals with him in his
crucifixion but also joint principals with him in his resurrection. (Rom 6:3-11)

In a nutshell: Jesus went to the cross laden with sin but came back from the
grave completely free of sin. The same goes for folks unified with him, to
wit: they went to his cross laden with sin but came back from his grave
completely free of sin.

Also: Jesus went to the cross with mortality but came back from the grave
with immortality. The same goes for folks unified with him, to wit: they went
to his cross with mortality but came back from his grave possessing
immortality.

Seeing as how folks unified with Jesus are completely free of sin, then it
would be futile to put them on trial at the great white throne event depicted
by Rev 20:10-15 because it would be equivalent to putting Jesus on trial.

Also; seeing as how folks unified with Jesus possess immortality, then it
would be futile to toss them into the lake of fire because it would be
equivalent to throwing Jesus in there.

All in all, his life is a very valuable asset because of the benefits he makes
possible for those who possess it.

Pop Clock Update: 4,888 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
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[Jack]

In a nutshell: Jesus went to the cross laden with sin ...

Are you saying Jesus sinned?

 

[Webers_Home]

Are you saying Jesus sinned?

No.
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[Jack]

No.
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Thank God!

 

[Webers_Home]

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I was thoroughly catechized by my childhood religion, but not once did
someone tell me that belief in Christ not only makes it possible to share in
his crucifixion, but also possible to be credited with his righteousness.

In other words: were Jesus subpoenaed to appear before the great white
throne depicted by Rev 20:11-15, he would walk away acquitted because
Jesus never once committed a personal sin of his own to answer for. (John
8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22)

In point of fact, it was impossible for Jesus to commit personal sins of his
own.

● 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now; I haven't a clue how God pulls this off without cooking the books, but
according to Rom 5:12-21 He has a way to credit folks with His son's sinless
perfection so that they too can walk away from the great white throne
acquitted.

There are men going about identifying as women so they can compete with
women in women's sports. Of course they are not really authentic women,
i.e. they're artificial women. Well; in a manner of speaking, folks unified with
Christ have a God-given right to identify with His son as 100% perfectly
sinless creatures though on a personal level they are definitely not so.

● 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we
have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

NOTE: The pronouns "we" & "ourselves" & "us" include the epistle's author
as those who would be fooling themselves were they to claim personal
perfection; plus he would be insinuating that God is a person of marginal
integrity who cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

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FAQ: According to Col 1:19-20, God reconciled everything to Himself by
means of Christ’s blood on the cross-- all things in Heaven, and all things on
Earth. If that's so, then why are some people ending up in Hell?

REPLY: This is not something that people dare take for granted when so
much is at risk. God has expressed His desire for peace and given His own
son over to death as proof of his willingness to bury the hatchet, so to
speak, and He would like a response. In other words: many are ending up
on the wrong side of the afterlife because they neglected to contact God
about this, viz: reconciliation doesn't work to people's advantage apart from
diplomacy.

● 2Cor 5:19-21 . . God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word
of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God
did beseech you by us, to wit: we pray you in Christ's stead: be reconciled to
God. For He has made him who knew no sin to be sin for us; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him.

If perchance someone out there favors the idea of reconciling with God;
here's a suggestion.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a
sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like
--that you have never yet measured up to His standards and you're pretty
sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage of His son's
death as a means of bring you and He to the table as friends and allies
instead of strangers and foes.

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I'm basically a yellow-bellied kind of guy. Although I was a paratrooper with
the 101st Airborne division from Mar 1962 to Aug 1964, my enlistment was
during a time of mostly peace when soldiering was more like scouting.

I'm pretty certain that any "valor" I might've had at the time would've
succumbed to blind panic had the Army taken me to Viet Nam before I got
out. So; when I found out that Jesus was willing to take a fall for me I
jumped at the chance-- no hesitation.

Now, I've known some really stand-up guys, both in and out of the Army,
who would be utterly disgusted with me for taking a coward's way out of
retribution because not on your life would they pass the buck like I did. If
there's hell to pay; they'll be paying it themselves-- their choice --because in
their mind's eye; death without honor is unacceptable.

It's ironic that strong men and women determined to stand on their own two
feet before God are fools, whereas chicken-livered weaklings like myself,
who've traded our dignity for the safety of the cross, are wise.

Pop Clock Update: 4,906 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
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