When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

[3 Resurrections]

It is future as anyone can plainly see.

No, the prophecy of the two witnesses lying dead and unburied in the streets of Jerusalem is not future. It happened during the Idumean invasion of Jerusalem in either AD 67 or 68, depending on your source. The names of those two men were Ananus ben Ananus and Joshua ben Gamaliel. Both men were former high priests, and were desperately trying to retain a measure of sanity and their control over Jerusalem against the fanatical Zealot factions. After lengthy messages of reproof against the Zealots (recorded in Josephus), both men were murdered and left naked and unburied in the streets of Jerusalem by the invading Idumean horsemen (20,000 of them under four leaders). The Idumean army of horsemen had been tricked into staging that invasion of Jerusalem by John of Gischala, one of the Zealot leaders who wanted to get rid of the restraining influence of the high priests in Jerusalem. The Zealots rejoiced once their two high priesthood opponents were slain.

Every single detail of that particular sixth trumpet judgment was fulfilled in this past episode which took place during Jerusalem's "last state" between AD 66 and AD 70, with Josephus unknowingly recording the details of that sixth trumpet judgment which we can review today.

 

[HappyOma]

Quote:
"5. The "dead bodies" in the streets of Jerusalem (Sodom and Egypt)--"where also their Lord was crucified." (Rev. 11:8). After the War, the Jerusalem of THAT day was completely destroyed. Where is it found SHORTLY affer A. D. 95? Josephus (an eyewitness to the destruction of A. D. 70), wrote the following about the demolished Jerusalem in his work, Wars of the Jews: "There was nothing left to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This is the end which Jerusalem came to . . . a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind" (Wars, 7:1:1). The Book of Revelation was written before A. D. 70!"

Huh???
Really???
That is laughable.
You really should not go there.
Plain dumb.
It is future as anyone can plainly se

Yep. Absolutely irrefutable. More specifically, the internal evidence within Revelation itself pins down that composition date to a very narrow window of time between late AD 59 and early AD 60, just before the catastrophic AD 60 Laodicean earthquake which overwhelmed the city. John was writing to the seven churches just before that earthquake in Laodicea took place in AD 60, which is why God said that "I am ABOUT TO spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev. 3:16).

 

[WPM]

WPM, God never says that there will be an end to "time". Jesus never said He would "put a stop to time" at His return. And there are ages in eternity. Paul wrote about this from his perspective on the timeline. "That in the ages to come..." That is plural "ages" that Paul expected, that flow onward through history, and on into eternity.

I don't regard the KJV as the ultimate authority on their translation of "there shall be time no longer" as meaning the cessation of time altogether. Did you mom never tell you as a youngster, "Time's up!"? It didn't mean the end of time altogether at that point, but the end of a time-limited activity. Same thing is being referred to in Revelation. A more proper translation of this verse is "there shall be delay no longer". The power of Israel as a nation of tribes was going to be shattered at that point, (just as Daniel 12 foretold), and the mystery of God would be finished. This "mystery" was the open manifestation to all that God had established the "One New Man" reality, which did not have any tribal, gender, class, or racial distinctions in the body of Christ as children of God.

Full Preterists live in an alternative reality. Chronos is time. Hello! You twist and manipulate every Scripture to support your heresy. As you examine Preterism, nothing actually ends in AD70. It is not the end of the old covenant. It ended at the cross. It is not the end of time, this current fallen state, and human existence as we know it. That occurs at the climatic return of Jesus Christ.

Chronometry is derived from two root words, chronos (sometimes spelt kronos) and metron meaning "time" and "measure." The combination of these is taken to mean time measuring.

Wikipedia states: “Ancient Greek makes a distinction between two types of time, chronos, the static and continuing progress of present to future, time in a sequential and chronological sense … Kairos … carries little emphasis on precise chronology, instead being used as a time specifically fit for something, or also a period of time characterized by some aspect of crisis.”

Jeffrey Bilbro explains: “Chronos … refers to time as duration or sequence, and kairos names a seasonal, cyclic kind of time: it’s the right time to plant tomatoes or to make dinner or to go to war.” (Reading the Times: A Literary and Theological Inquiry into the News).

The Greek City Times explains: “Chronos refers to time as we usually mean it: a sequence of equal parts. There are twenty-four hours in a day, and each hour is the same length of time. It’s what a clock measures, basically. Kairos measures the ‘importance’ of a particular moment in time, rather than its duration … Kairos refers to the way in which certain moments are more important or influential than others. A clock can’t measure that, but it’s undeniable that some times are much more significant than others.”

The removal of the heavenly luminaries removes the natural tools to gauge time.

One thing that is truly amazing is how perfectly Scripture fits together to present a harmonious message, free of any contradictions. This is seen the climactic detail that is attributed to the coming of Christ. Whatever angle you look at it, you realize that the coming of Christ is the end. It is the conclusion of history. It is the end of time. It is the end of corruption (decay and death). It is the beginning of eternity.

As we have seen, Genesis 1:14-18 makes it clear that God has furnished mankind with the sun, moon and stars to give light and heat and also to gauge time. But there will be a time in the future where day and night will come to an end. Scripture links that to the lifespan of the host of heaven. That is because one produces the other. Remove the host of heaven and you remove measurable time.

Genesis 8:22 tells us, as long as this current earth (that is now fallen) exists we will have the varying time, seasons and night and day. We learn: “While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.”

While we remain in this mortal body, while we abide on this current fallen earth, time and seasons will continue.

But, Job 26:10 tells us: “He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.”

Here we have it! There is a day coming when “day and night” will “come to an end.” This would lend weight to the idea that the existence and role of the sun and moon is going to come to an end. There will be a day in the future when the sun and moon will conclude their function.

When is this going to happen?

When Jesus comes these are rendered unnecessary and redundant. That is because God is the eternal light that will light eternity. We find support for this throughout the Word of God. Let us look at the evidence.

Isaiah 34:1-4, 8 would seem to fit the thesis that the second coming is the end of time. The shows the removal of the starry host. We learn: “Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree … For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.”

Scripture teaches that this current fallen creation will not last forever. According to the prophet, the current “host of heaven” (the sun, moon and stars) are all going to be dissolved when Jesus comes. That is because their work has finally been fulfilled. There was no longer any need for them. This is the end!

Joel 2:10-11 teaches: “The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?”

Here again, we see a vivid description of the great all-consummating conflagration effecting the heavenly luminaries. This is shown to occur of “the day of the LORD.”

It is not hard to get the message here. Withdrawing their light can only mean one thing. This is the termination of their function. After all, if the sun cease to radiant its light and the moon stops radiating light then they cease to be the sun and the moon. They serve to useful purpose. Day and night comes to a sudden end.

Isaiah 13:9-11: “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars (kowkab) of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

The current universe and stars are all going to be changed when Jesus comes. Christ will be the eternal light on the new earth!

 

[WPM]

WPM, God never says that there will be an end to "time". Jesus never said He would "put a stop to time" at His return. And there are ages in eternity. Paul wrote about this from his perspective on the timeline. "That in the ages to come..." That is plural "ages" that Paul expected, that flow onward through history, and on into eternity.

I don't regard the KJV as the ultimate authority on their translation of "there shall be time no longer" as meaning the cessation of time altogether. Did you mom never tell you as a youngster, "Time's up!"? It didn't mean the end of time altogether at that point, but the end of a time-limited activity. Same thing is being referred to in Revelation. A more proper translation of this verse is "there shall be delay no longer". The power of Israel as a nation of tribes was going to be shattered at that point, (just as Daniel 12 foretold), and the mystery of God would be finished. This "mystery" was the open manifestation to all that God had established the "One New Man" reality, which did not have any tribal, gender, class, or racial distinctions in the body of Christ as children of God.

Scripture shows Jesus one and only coming to be totally climactic. When Jesus comes that is it – men are either caught up or caught on, saved or lost, eternal bliss or eternal torment. It is the end. No one survives.

Revelation 20:9-15 – 21:1-5: “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth [Gr. gē] and the heaven [Gr. ouranos] fled away [Gr. pheugo]; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”

Read Revelation 21:23: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Revelation 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

In the eternal state there is absolutely no further requirement for the sun, moon and stars. That means there is no day or night in eternity. That means there is no such thing as time in eternity. There is no divisions of years, months, days, hours and seconds. We are looking at one eternal unbroken day/age.

 

[rwb]

WPM, God never says that there will be an end to "time".

That's not true! A thousand years most assuredly represents time. Regardless of whether one believes it to be literally ONE thousand years or believes is symbolizes all time beginning with the advent of Christ. Still a thousand years equates to TIME. This time, according to what has been written has an end.

It is the time Satan is or shall be bound that shall be fulfilled [end/concluded/finished].

Revelation 20:2-3 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It is time that when finished, John says "This the first resurrection."

Revelation 20:5 (KJV) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

It is time given for the blessed and holy to overcome the second death, they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and reign with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When this time (a thousand years) is finished, Satan is loosed out of his prison. It is also at the end of a thousand years (TIME) the dead shall be called before the great white throne to be judged according to what is found written in the books and the book of life. Also after a thousand years has expired death and hell are cast into the lake of fire (second death) along with whosoever at the judgment was not found written in the book of life.

Revelation 20:7 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:11-15 (KJV) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Clearly when you say "God never says that there will be an end to "time", you have no understanding of the time that shall be no longer. Remember after time represented a thousand years is finished, Satan is still given "a little season", which also represents some amount of time.

When the seventh/last trumpet begins to sound, time for building the Kingdom of God through the gospel preached unto all the earth, and people from every nation (Gentiles & Jews) are saved, TIME represented "a thousand years" shall be no longer! Why? Because then the Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete, the last man/woman shall have been eternally saved. The mystery of God should be finished!

 

[rwb]

with Josephus unknowingly recording the details of that sixth trumpet judgment which we can review today.

This is why Preterists cannot be taken seriously! Your doctrine is not from the Word of God, but comes from the writing of Josephus, a Jewish historian without faith in the Word of God, having NOT the Spirit of Christ to teach him.

 

[WPM]

This is why Preterists cannot be taken seriously! Your doctrine is not from the Word of God, but comes from the writing of Josephus, a Jewish historian without faith in the Word of God, having NOT the Spirit of Christ to teach him.

Hey bro. They have zero biblical proof. They depend upon their own imaginations and what they have been taught.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That's not true! A thousand years most assuredly represents time. Regardless of whether one believes it to be literally ONE thousand years or believes is symbolizes all time beginning with the advent of Christ. Still a thousand years equates to TIME. This time, according to what has been written has an end.

It is the time Satan is or shall be bound that shall be fulfilled [end/concluded/finished].

Revelation 20:2-3 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It is time that when finished, John says "This the first resurrection."

Of course a thousand years represents time. I do believe Revelation 20 is speaking of a literal thousand years duration. It ended with the "FIRST resurrection", which was of "Christ the FIRST-fruits" in AD 33. Time did not end then.

Clearly when you say "God never says that there will be an end to "time", you have no understanding of the time that shall be no longer. Remember after time represented a thousand years is finished, Satan is still given "a little season", which also represents some amount of time.

Of course Satan's "short time" represented some amount of time. Satan's "short time" and "little season" lasted from when the millennium ended in AD 33 with the "First resurrection" until Satan and all the Satanic realm was imprisoned in Jerusalem in AD 66 for the duration of the war. John warned his own first-century generation in Rev. 12:12 that Satan had already come down to plague the inhabitants of the earth and the sea in "great wrath" at that time, knowing that he only had a "short time" left back then to operate after the millennium had ended.

When I say that Scripture does not speak of "an end of time" I am not denying that certain designated periods such as Satan's "short time" and the literal thousand year millennial period do have ending points. They did. But that has no bearing on the question of whether the general passage of time has an ending. Even if you were to eliminate the literal sun and moon, those are merely clocks or time-keepers which measure the passage of time. They do not determine whether time exists or not.

This is why Preterists cannot be taken seriously! Your doctrine is not from the Word of God, but comes from the writing of Josephus, a Jewish historian without faith in the Word of God, having NOT the Spirit of Christ to teach him.

This is rather presumptuous of you to state someone's salvation status so far removed in time from yourself. That is God's prerogative to determine. Josephus was an eye-witness of those "days of vengeance" and an active participant in those events himself. And his record is backed up by other historians of the times as well. I do not read the bible using Josephus as a yardstick. God's word is the yardstick, and where Josephus backs that message up with agreement, I can accept his record as being true wherever it matches God's words.

 

[rwb]

Hey bro. They have zero biblical proof. They depend upon their own imaginations and what they have been taught.

Exactly! They read the writings of Josephus into the text, that's why the doctrine is so full of falsehoods! Heresy, provided by a heretic!

 

[rwb]

Of course a thousand years represents time. I do believe Revelation 20 is speaking of a literal thousand years duration. It ended with the "FIRST resurrection", which was of "Christ the FIRST-fruits" in AD 33. Time did not end then.

I'm not interested in what you believe, unless what you believe aligns with what sayeth the Scriptures! Prove from the Bible a thousand years of time ended with Christ becoming the first resurrection, the firstfruits of the dead!

Of course Satan's "short time" represented some amount of time. Satan's "short time" and "little season" lasted from when the millennium ended in AD 33 with the "First resurrection" until Satan and all the Satanic realm was imprisoned in Jerusalem in AD 66 for the duration of the war. John warned his own first-century generation in Rev. 12:12 that Satan had already come down to plague the inhabitants of the earth and the sea in "great wrath" at that time, knowing that he only had a "short time" left back then to operate after the millennium had ended.

Prove what you allege, otherwise I'm really not interested!

When has there been a time given since the creation that Satan has not plagues the inhabitants of the earth and sea?

When I say that Scripture does not speak of "an end of time" I am not denying that certain designated periods such as Satan's "short time" and the literal thousand year millennial period do have ending points. They did. But that has no bearing on the question of whether the general passage of time has an ending. Even if you were to eliminate the literal sun and moon, those are merely clocks or time-keepers which measure the passage of time. They do not determine whether time exists or not.

Prove from the Word of God this period represented by "a thousand years" is literally one thousand years! Remember after a thousand years expires and Satan's "little season" comes the great white throne judgment when ALL the dead shall be judged. How can time continue if these timekeepers, the sun and moon, no longer give the earth light?

 

[Scott Downey]

Sun, moon, stars no longer shine when Christ returns. Stars fall to the earth.
But Christ is the Light, and He is shining bright at His returning.
Every eye shall see Him returning on the clouds of Heaven.
He shall be clothed in light in a visibly massive revealing of the power of God.

For everyone to see Him in this way, it is fantastic miraculous event, as a ball shaped world would block all from seeing His return at the same time. Therefore something happens to the earth here. Maybe it goes flat, I don't know, but reality of all things is being changed at the return of Christ, and all the inhabitants of the world see Him at the same time. The powers of the heavens are shaken apart basically. The natural order of all things is being destroyed for something better.

This is the end. The Last Day. All the dead will rise from their graves and be judged.
NONE of this happened in 70AD.

Matthew 24:28-30
New King James Version
28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[WPM]

Of course a thousand years represents time. I do believe Revelation 20 is speaking of a literal thousand years duration. It ended with the "FIRST resurrection", which was of "Christ the FIRST-fruits" in AD 33. Time did not end then.


Of course Satan's "short time" represented some amount of time. Satan's "short time" and "little season" lasted from when the millennium ended in AD 33 with the "First resurrection" until Satan and all the Satanic realm was imprisoned in Jerusalem in AD 66 for the duration of the war. John warned his own first-century generation in Rev. 12:12 that Satan had already come down to plague the inhabitants of the earth and the sea in "great wrath" at that time, knowing that he only had a "short time" left back then to operate after the millennium had ended.

When I say that Scripture does not speak of "an end of time" I am not denying that certain designated periods such as Satan's "short time" and the literal thousand year millennial period do have ending points. They did. But that has no bearing on the question of whether the general passage of time has an ending. Even if you were to eliminate the literal sun and moon, those are merely clocks or time-keepers which measure the passage of time. They do not determine whether time exists or not.

This is rather presumptuous of you to state someone's salvation status so far removed in time from yourself. That is God's prerogative to determine. Josephus was an eye-witness of those "days of vengeance" and an active participant in those events himself. And his record is backed up by other historians of the times as well. I do not read the bible using Josephus as a yardstick. God's word is the yardstick, and where Josephus backs that message up with agreement, I can accept his record as being true wherever it matches God's words.

The reality is: time is just a fragment of eternity. It had a beginning, just like this world had a beginning. Time will also have an end, just like this current corrupt earth will have an end. Eternity, on the other hand, has neither a beginning nor an end. Eternity always was, and always will be. Eternity has no measure of anything, including time and seasons, because it is forever. God lives in eternity and His perspective of time far exceeds the finite mind of man. He lives outside of time, space and matter. Time is nothing with the Lord. A ‘thousand years’ in this life is but a flash in the light of eternity.

Before the beginning (the first 7 days) there was simply space and eternity. After the return of Christ, we enter into the eternal realm. Basically: (eternity and space) – time – (eternity and space).

Of course, God gave the sun, moon and stars to give physical light to the earth. But they were also given to measure the progression of time. These brought distinct order, systematic structure and identifiable chronology. It is from this that we get classifiable years, months, days, hours and seconds.

Genesis 1:14-18: “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.”

The sun and moon were created to provide light, measure the progression of time, give man reliable structure and maintain order. Time revolves around day and night, and is determined by the movements of the earth, sun, and moon. Earth's rotation dictates our days, its orbit around the sun defines our years, and the moon's orbit around earth influences our months.

This is a product of the earth circling the sun, while, at the same time, rotating on its own axis. It takes a little more than 365 days for the earth to make a complete trip around the sun.

God has created natural forces in the solar system to keep the earth, and the other planets, locked into predictable orbits around the sun. This in turn produces identifiable order and regularity.

The Bible makes clear: just like there was a beginning to time (with the creation of light and the creation of the sun and moon), so there will be an end of time.

 

[WPM]

Of course a thousand years represents time. I do believe Revelation 20 is speaking of a literal thousand years duration. It ended with the "FIRST resurrection", which was of "Christ the FIRST-fruits" in AD 33. Time did not end then.


Of course Satan's "short time" represented some amount of time. Satan's "short time" and "little season" lasted from when the millennium ended in AD 33 with the "First resurrection" until Satan and all the Satanic realm was imprisoned in Jerusalem in AD 66 for the duration of the war. John warned his own first-century generation in Rev. 12:12 that Satan had already come down to plague the inhabitants of the earth and the sea in "great wrath" at that time, knowing that he only had a "short time" left back then to operate after the millennium had ended.

When I say that Scripture does not speak of "an end of time" I am not denying that certain designated periods such as Satan's "short time" and the literal thousand year millennial period do have ending points. They did. But that has no bearing on the question of whether the general passage of time has an ending. Even if you were to eliminate the literal sun and moon, those are merely clocks or time-keepers which measure the passage of time. They do not determine whether time exists or not.

This is rather presumptuous of you to state someone's salvation status so far removed in time from yourself. That is God's prerogative to determine. Josephus was an eye-witness of those "days of vengeance" and an active participant in those events himself. And his record is backed up by other historians of the times as well. I do not read the bible using Josephus as a yardstick. God's word is the yardstick, and where Josephus backs that message up with agreement, I can accept his record as being true wherever it matches God's words.

When was the beginning of the millennium and what happened there?

 

[3 Resurrections]

When was the beginning of the millennium and what happened there?

The literal thousand years of Satan's deception of the nations being bound lasted from 968 / 967 BC until AD 33. It was dated from the foundation stone of Solomon's physical temple being laid down until Christ became the "chief cornerstone" of the spiritual temple not made with hands, composed of "living stones". FIRST the "natural" type, THEN that which is the "spiritual" antitype. Scripture names the day on the calendar for each of those foundation stones being laid down (1 Kings 5:17, 6:1, 2 Chron. 3:2, and on Christ's resurrection-day ascension - Acts 4:2).

The fame of the God of Israel began to go abroad throughout the nations during the glory of Solomon's reign. (Think of the Queen of Sheba, for example.) Even after Solomon fell into sin, and after the nations went into exile, God was able to use even those means to continue spreading the knowledge of Himself throughout the nations and empires of the known world. (Think of the humbled Nebuchadnezzar's empire-wide decree, and that of Darius lauding the power of Daniel's God, and of Cyrus testifying to God's having commanded Him to return the Israelites to their homeland and to build a temple.) The surge in the number of the prophets' ministries during this time also aided in spreading the knowledge of the God of Israel abroad.

This was always Satan's main tool of deception - to keep the nations in deluded ignorance of the God of Israel. (Think of Paul's reference to the past "times of this ignorance" that God "winked at", but after Christ's sacrifice, He commanded all men everywhere to repent.)

The Rev. 20 language describing the literal millennium period does NOT require that everyone who became aware of the God of Israel automatically became a child of God by believing what they heard. The nations were still capable of deceiving themselves, in spite of Satan's deception of them being bound. Neither does the Rev. 20 language describing the millennium require that Satan be physically immobilized during that time, or even that he would not make an effort to try to deceive. (Think of Satan's attempt to trick Christ in the wilderness.) The only thing Rev. 20 tells us is that Satan himself would not succeed in deceiving the nations during that literal thousand years.

 

[rwb]

The literal thousand years of Satan's deception of the nations being bound lasted from 968 / 967 BC until AD 33. It was dated from the foundation stone of Solomon's physical temple being laid down until Christ became the "chief cornerstone" of the spiritual temple not made with hands, composed of "living stones". FIRST the "natural" type, THEN that which is the "spiritual" antitype. Scripture gives us the precise dates on the calendar for each of those foundation stones being laid down.

Once again, not one verse from Scripture to PROVE what you say! You must PROVE what you believe. If you cannot PROVE what you allege to be truth, you remain an unbiblical heretic spreading false doctrine to deceive!

 

[3 Resurrections]

For everyone to see Him in this way, it is fantastic miraculous event, as a ball shaped world would block all from seeing His return at the same time. Therefore something happens to the earth here. Maybe it goes flat, I don't know, but reality of all things is being changed at the return of Christ, and all the inhabitants of the world see Him at the same time.

The prediction was not that everybody on the entire globe would see that second coming return to the Mount of Olives. That "every eye" is specifically limited to "NAMELY, those who pierced Him". That is limited to the first-century generation of Jews and their time frame, as they were the ones who were the "betrayers and murderers" of Christ, as the martyr Stephen accused them.

It would be the tribes of the nation of Israel who would mourn at seeing their Messiah returning. Zechariah even gives us the names of some of the families and tribes of Israel who would be seeing this (Nathan, David, Shimei, Levi). None of those tribes have existed since the AD 70 genealogical records were burned up - which God fully intended to get rid of those "unprofitable and vain" genealogies.

This is the end. The Last Day. All the dead will rise from their graves and be judged.
NONE of this happened in 70AD.

Then you don't believe Paul meant what he said to Felix in Acts 24:15 around AD 60, "That there is ABOUT TO BE a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust..." This warning of "judgment about to be" caused Felix to tremble with fear. And again to Timothy in 2 Tim. 4:1, written around AD 67, "I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign..."

 

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Once again, not one verse from Scripture to PROVE what you say! You must PROVE what you believe. If you cannot PROVE what you allege to be truth, you remain an unbiblical heretic spreading false doctrine to deceive!

There is an article on this year's summer issue of the "Fulfilled!" magazine website that lists all the pertinent Scripture passages proving these inclusive dates for the past millennium between 968 / 967 BC until AD 33. It's a lengthy article with plenty of the related Scriptures - too many pages to repeat here, but I would suggest you read the Scripture proofs there for yourself. Nobody has the time to read a dissertation-length comment on these forums (especially when its kind of off-topic to this post).

 

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How in the world can anybody be a preterest? History totally destroys any notion that these things have already happened.
It just gets totally destroyed with a history book.
How in the world can someone look at the Bible through that type of PRISM?
I suppose a question ,at this point is, what does a preterist say, is future?

I guess the New Jerusalem isn't coming down?
or maybe it already came down?

. Maybe the great white throne judgement already happened?
....and we're not aware of it?
Maybe we're living in some kind of fifth ,sixth, or seventh dimension and we don't know anything.
Maybe We don't have any future, and it is just gonna continue exactly like this until the sun burns out?

 

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There is an article on this year's summer issue of the "Fulfilled!" magazine website that lists all the pertinent Scripture passages proving these inclusive dates for the past millennium between 968 / 967 BC until AD 33. It's a lengthy article with plenty of the related Scriptures - too many pages to repeat here, but I would suggest you read the Scripture proofs there for yourself. Nobody has the time to read a dissertation-length comment on these forums (especially when its kind of off-topic to this post).

Nothing new.
You are proving that if you torture the bible long enough you can make it fit any doctrine.

 

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There is an article on this year's summer issue of the "Fulfilled!" magazine website that lists all the pertinent Scripture passages proving these inclusive dates for the past millennium between 968 / 967 BC until AD 33. It's a lengthy article with plenty of the related Scriptures - too many pages to repeat here, but I would suggest you read the Scripture proofs there for yourself. Nobody has the time to read a dissertation-length comment on these forums (especially when its kind of off-topic to this post).

Why would I waste my time on doctrines coming from the unbiblical teachings of Preterits? Here is an example about the magazine of what I would get if I desired to spend my time reading heresy: "Fulfilled! Magazine is the only full-color magazine from a full preterist perspective. Published quarterly (Lord willing), Fulfilled! covers a multitude of preterist topics from a variety of preterist authors, pastors, and speakers."