KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

[Doug]

[Matthew 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This verse demands some evaluation. Was Jesus saying to keep the commandments to have eternal life? Israel failed to keep the law. No one can keep the law.

[Galatians 3:24 KJV] 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[Rom 3:20 KJV] 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

The law was our schoolmaster to give the knowledge of sin and bring us to Christ.

[Matthew 19:18-19 KJV] 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man asked Christ what commandments did he have to keep. Jesus states that the commandments are the Mosaic law.

[Matthew 19:20-21 KJV] 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

The young man said he kept the law's commandments and Jesus did not refute him.

Jesus told him that what he lacked was to sell all he had. This command is not in the law of Moses so why does Jesus say he needed to sell all he had?

[Mark 10:17, 19-21 KJV] 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? ... 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Here in Mark we find the same account. The young man was told to sell all his possessions.

[Mark 10:23-25 KJV] 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Here we have an explanation as to what Jesus meant by saying to keep the commandments to "enter into life". Jesus commanded to sell all to enter the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom is the earthly Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

[Matthew 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

To enter the kingdom believing Israel had to be righteous by keeping the law and sell all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Matthew 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This verse demands some evaluation. Was Jesus saying to keep the commandments to have eternal life? Israel failed to keep the law. No one can keep the law.

[Galatians 3:24 KJV] 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[Rom 3:20 KJV] 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

The law was our schoolmaster to give the knowledge of sin and bring us to Christ.

[Matthew 19:18-19 KJV] 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man asked Christ what commandments did he have to keep. Jesus states that the commandments are the Mosaic law.

[Matthew 19:20-21 KJV] 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

The young man said he kept the law's commandments and Jesus did not refute him.

Jesus told him that what he lacked was to sell all he had. This command is not in the law of Moses so why does Jesus say he needed to sell all he had?

[Mark 10:17, 19-21 KJV] 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? ... 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Here in Mark we find the same account. The young man was told to sell all his possessions.

[Mark 10:23-25 KJV] 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Here we have an explanation as to what Jesus meant by saying to keep the commandments to "enter into life". Jesus commanded to sell all to enter the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom is the earthly Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

[Matthew 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

To enter the kingdom believing Israel had to be righteous by keeping the law and sell all.

No to be righteous, Israel had to trust in teh death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin tobecome righteous. You also omitted the most important thing that Jesus said to the rich young ruler- follow me.

If what you espoused is what God required, there are no righteous Israelites on earth today that we know of.

 

[Doug]

No to be righteous, Israel had to trust in teh death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin tobecome righteous. You also omitted the most important thing that Jesus said to the rich young ruler- follow me.

Good point
Yes they would have to follow him to show the way to the kingdom

 

[Doug]

If what you espoused is what God required, there are no righteous Israelites on earth today that we know of.

The kingdom is not being offered in this dispensation

There are none righteous, so both jews and gentiles need the redemption found in Christ in this dispensation which is freely given us

 

[pandaflower]

Be mindful of morality.

Imagine insisting that isn't necessary when a person is saved in Christ.

 

[Doug]

Be mindful of morality.

Imagine insisting that isn't necessary when a person is saved in Christ.

we find our commandments in this regard in Paul

 

[pandaflower]

we find our commandments in this regard in Paul

As you wish.

I find the commandments in Jesus,the giver of them.

 

[Doug]

As you wish.

I find the commandments in Jesus,the giver of them.

Paul says what he gives are the commandments of Christ

[1Co 14:37 KJV] 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Jesus did indeed try to teach us Israelis to seek the keeping of the Law of Moses. In the seeking, THAT is where our faith was to be demonstrated, even though, as some have stated, we could not keep the Law in the perfection as did Yahshuah.

Given that the Lord looks upon the heart, our ancient brethren who are said to have found forgiveness of their sins through attempts at keeping the Law, it is the rebellions against the Law and Yah that they were destroyed and scattered.

Today, we who are of believing Israel, we are joined together with Gentiles into one body, with salvation offered to all because of the indistinguishable nature of salvation under the Gospel of Grace, to both Jew and Gentile now that salvation has come unto the Gentiles apart from having to join with Israel to partake of the blessings and promises in Abraham.

BTW

 

[Jack]

"KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS"

Yep, the New Covenant!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

"KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS"

Yep, the New Covenant!

1. Definition & Context​

When Jesus spoke of “the cup of the new covenant” at the Last Supper (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25), He was referring to the covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31–34 — made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not with the Gentiles or the Body of Christ; even though many congregations of Evangelicals who follow replacement theology in its various forms and divergences firmly are of the opinion that it applies to them.

• Jeremiah 31:31–34
  • Written to Israel.
  • Involves God writing His law on their hearts (which still has not happened dare one look at modern Israel and their continued rejection of Christ).
  • All will know the Lord — no need to teach each other (which clearly is not at all the case today while looking at modern Israel).
  • Sins forgiven and remembered no more (which are still upon all the unbelieving Jews in Israel and around the world).
• This covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant (the Old Covenant) that will once again become a reality after the Gospel of Grace is no more because of the fullness of the Gentiles be coming in.
• The “cup” symbolized His blood as the covenant’s sacrificial basis, but not its immediate establishment as is believed by some.

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2. The Cup at the Last Supper​

• When Jesus offered the cup to His disciples, it was prophetic, not immediately enacted.
• His death at Calvary would provide the legal and spiritual basis for the covenant — but the covenant itself will be ratified with Israel in the Millennial Kingdom, not in the present church age.
• At that point in Luke 22:18, He says:
  

  "I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
  This shows there’s a future fulfillment.

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3. Why It’s Not Fully Realized Now​

• Although Christ’s blood has been shed (the price paid), the new covenant’s promised blessings — restored national Israel, the outpouring of the Spirit on all Israel, the knowledge of God filling the land — have not yet been experienced. For those who think otherwise, go to Israel and see for yourself how pagan they still are in this very day, for they even allow celebration of homosexuality and all that is couched within DEI - which should be DIE
• Israel as a nation is currently in blindness (Romans 11:25).
• The Body of Christ enjoys salvation and spiritual blessings by the blood of Christ, but we are not under the covenant — we are a “mystery” program outside Israel’s prophetic covenants (Ephesians 3:2–9).

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4. Future Fulfillment at the Second Coming​

When Jesus returns to establish His Millennial Kingdom:

• Israel will be completely regathered (not partially as is the case today) (Jeremiah 32:37–41).
• The Spirit will be poured out (which is not at all evidenced today) (Ezekiel 36:24–27; Joel 2:28–32).
• The land will be restored (which has not happened as of yet in the midst of the trampling of Gentiles) (Amos 9:13–15).
• The “cup” — symbolizing the blessings secured by His blood — will be fully enjoyed in fellowship with Him in the Kingdom not yet realized.
  This is why Matthew 26:29 says:
  

  “I will drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

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5. Prophetic Significance​

The cup, when finally “drunk” in the Kingdom, will mean:

• National forgiveness for Israel (not yet fulfilled) (Romans 11:26–27).
• Perfect fellowship with the Messiah (not yet happening in their rejection).
• Covenant law written on their hearts — no more rebellion (which is still ongoing today).
• A restored creation under Christ’s reign (which fully addresses that cup not yet fulfilled).

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In Summary​

The cup of the new covenant was secured at Calvary but awaits its full realization at the second coming of Christ, when the Lord will personally drink it with redeemed Israel in the Kingdom.

Right now, the body of Christ benefits from the blood of the covenant (salvation, reconciliation) AND the fall of Israel, but are not the covenant partners. The prophetic promise will be fulfilled with Israel when Christ returns to reign. The idea it has already been fulfilled, that's willful ignorance in the place of reality. The ignorant who act and believe only on the basis of their emotions and what they want to consider to be true, they fool only themselves and those ignorant enough to give no rip snort about the truth...the blind leading the blind. Dare they go into the Jewish sectors of Jerusalem and preach their beliefs, and they will find themselves ostracized, beaten and hated by my fellow Israelis. The Evangelicals who live there know better, FAR better than the ignorant runts over here in America who have no experience with the harsh realities that buck their pet doctrines.

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[Jack]

Stick with the New Covenant. It can save you from everlasting Hell fire!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Stick with the New Covenant. It can save you from everlasting Hell fire!

Nope. The New Covenant is not yet in effect. Stick with the Gospel of Grace given to Paul for all of us today in this dispensation of grace.

BTW

 

[Jack]

Nope. The New Covenant is not yet in effect. Stick with the Gospel of Grace given to Paul for all of us today in this dispensation of grace.

BTW

So you don't believe in John 3:16! You have my sympathy.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Many Christians are taught that the Church today—the Body of Christ—is “under the New Covenant,” but this idea creates doctrinal confusion when examined in light of Pauline truth.

Here are some key falsehoods tied to that belief, with Scripture to contrast them:

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Falsehood: The New Covenant is made with the Church​

• Truth: The New Covenant is explicitly made with Israel and Judah (Jer. 31:31–34; Heb. 8:8–10).
• Paul never says the Body of Christ is under it; instead, we are part of the “mystery” revealed to him (Eph. 3:2–9), not prophecy.
• Israel’s covenants are earthly and national; the body of Christ's blessings are heavenly (Eph. 1:3; Phil. 3:20).

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Falsehood: The New Covenant is in effect today for all believers​

• Truth: The New Covenant belongs to Israel in their future kingdom, after their national salvation at Christ’s Second Coming (Rom. 11:25–27).
• Today, Israel is blinded and cast away in part, until the “fulness of the Gentiles” is complete.
• Our salvation is not covenant-based, but grace-based, apart from Israel’s Law system (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 2:21).

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Falsehood: The Lord’s Supper proves we're under the New Covenant​

• Truth: Paul repeats Jesus’ words about “the new testament in my blood” (1 Cor. 11:25) as a memorial, not as our covenant terms.
• The blood of Christ has value for both Israel’s future covenant and our present dispensation—but our relationship is not covenantal; it’s according to the dispensation of grace (Eph. 3:2).

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Falsehood: Covenant promises apply to the Church​

• Truth: Confusing Israel’s covenant promises with the Church’s calling leads to false expectations—such as thinking we should expect land promises, miraculous healings on demand, or a Spirit-empowered law written on our hearts in the same way Israel will have in the kingdom.
• Our walk today is by the Spirit through renewed minds (Rom. 12:1–2), not through the fulfillment of a national covenant.

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Falsehood: Grace is just a “new covenant upgrade” of the law​

• Truth: The New Covenant still involves Law—God writes His law on Israel’s hearts (Jer. 31:33)—whereas Paul says we are “not under the law” (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 5:18).
• Mixing these destroys the distinctiveness of the mystery and leads to legalism disguised as spirituality.

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Summary:
The New Covenant is part of Israel’s prophetic program, not the mystery program for the Body of Christ. We benefit from Christ’s shed blood (the basis of all salvation), but we are not “under” any covenant. Our standing is in the unprophesied grace of God revealed to Paul, not in Israel’s covenant promises.

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[BeforeThereWas]

So you don't believe in John 3:16! You have my sympathy.

Please quote from there where it allegedly claims that we today are under the fullness of the New Covenant. Stick to context please, rather than to add to it something that's not stated. John wrote that to Israel given that he was one of the apostles to Israel, not the Gentiles. If you believe Paul was a liar when he declared that he was THE apostle to the Gentiles, then please make your case.

You Gentiles trying to steal from Israel what is Israel's, that's not going to change scripture to conform to your warped theologies.

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[Jack]

Please quote from there where it allegedly claims that we today are under the fullness of the New Covenant. Stick to context please, rather than to add to it something that's not stated.

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Christians have the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood!

Mark 14:24
24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Now you know!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Christians have the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood!

Mark 14:24
24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Now you know!

Given that you failed to answer my question about John 3:16 that you threw out there in hopes that all would swallow it blindly, not noticing your blind indifference to what scripture actually states, I'm seeing your position more clearly. You appear to have swallowed replacement theology crap right along with some others within Evangelicalism. You all think it's all about you. How pathetic!

Come on. Let's be intellectually honest here, shall we?

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[BeforeThereWas]

Christians have the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood!

Mark 14:24
24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Now you know!

Since you ignored my asking you about John 3:16, let's show here how you have twisted the scriptures by adding your own spin to it by way of eisegetical hermeneutics:

Notice in that verse and its surrounding context that His blood is the only aspect of that cup that has spilled out upon us all. The rest of the context is yet to be fulfilled after His Second Coming.

Why do some of you Gentiles like to force yourselves in some contrived gap between God and Israel where you think that you fit in?

BTW

 

[Jack]

Given that you failed to answer my question about John 3:16 that you threw out there in hopes that all would swallow it blindly, not noticing your blind indifference to what scripture actually states, I'm seeing your position more clearly. You appear to have swallowed replacement theology crap right along with some others within Evangelicalism. You all think it's all about you. How pathetic!

Come on. Let's be intellectually honest here, shall we?

BTW

John 3:16 applies to all who believe it! Hope you understand soon!