The coming of the Lord ushers in the end

[WPM]

Oh yeah, I know for a lot of people it will be that’s what they believe. That’s what they hope to see but I done believe it already happened so I ain’t got nothing to worry about. I’m already dying some type of cancer in my throat so I really don’t care what anyone else has to say God bless.

Does sin still exist? Does death still exist? Is the curse still active?

 

[Lizbeth]

Full Preterists are obsessed with the coming of Titus and AD70. That is all they want to talk about. Christians are obsessed with the coming of Christ in the future. That is what they want to talk about.

I believe there is benefit in rightly dividing what Jesus was talking about in Matt 24 and the other gospels regarding the end, as well as Revelation. He was for sure prophesying to Israel about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and He was right in line with the OT prophets' prophesies about it. As well as interlaced with it so to speak, His words prophesy also to the Gentiles.

I think I'm probably a partial preterist, though I'm not sure of the exact definition. And me, I think we should only be "obsessed" with being ready to meet the Lord whether that is through death (which applies to the very vast majority of Christians down through the centuries) or the very small minority by comparison who will be alive at the coming of the Lord and end of this age.

 

[WPM]

I believe there is benefit in rightly dividing what Jesus was talking about in Matt 24 and the other gospels regarding the end, as well as Revelation. He was for sure prophesying to Israel about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and He was right in line with the OT prophets' prophesies about it. As well as interlaced with it so to speak, His words prophesy also to the Gentiles.

I think I'm probably a partial preterist, though I'm not sure of the exact definition. And me, I think we should only be "obsessed" with being ready to meet the Lord whether that is through death (which applies to the very vast majority of Christians down through the centuries) or the very small minority by comparison who will be alive at the coming of the Lord and end of this age.

Why then do you and your Preterist friends continually go on 99% about AD70 and the coming of Titus? Where are all your recent posts on the coming of Christ? All I see is you cutting across those who have that hope.

 

[MatthewG]

Does sin still exist? Does death still exist? Is the curse still active?

Sin was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. So if you don't believe that Idk what to tell you.

Everyone who ever followed Jesus died.

Jesus died himself.



Does sin exist to you? I was never given the law to live by. Jesus nailed those ordiances to the cross.

I now make my own decisions what is good or bad for me, in the end ill be judged, and im just waiting on that day.


If you don't care though; I don't care either.

I'll just ignore you cause I don't got time to banter about.

PS: No one on here is my friend. I don't have friends; I just come here to a community full of mutual people.

 

[WPM]

Sin was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. So if you don't believe that Idk what to tell you.

Everyone who ever followed Jesus died.

Jesus died himself.



Does sin exist to you? I was never given the law to live by. Jesus nailed those ordiances to the cross.

I now make my own decisions what is good or bad for me, in the end ill be judged, and im just waiting on that day.


If you don't care though; I don't care either.

I'll just ignore you cause I don't got time to banter about.

PS: No one on here is my friend. I don't have friends; I just come here to a community full of mutual people.

Hello!

• Sin still exist!
• Sickness still exists!
• Decay still exists!
• Death still exist!
• The curse still exists!

You are clearly denying reality! That is not a good place to live.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello!

• Sin still exist!
• Sickness still exists!
• Decay still exists!
• Death still exist!
• The curse still exists!

You are clearly denying reality! That is not a good place to live.

It’s all been taken care of by Jesus.

People are awoken from spiritual death to spiritual life, they build their spiritual body in Christ, so…

Whatever. Reality yeah it exist just as much as the spiritual side I believe in faith.

I ain’t expecting those things to ever stop.

I’m sick and evil my self in my own heart and need a solution, Jesus whom spoke spiritual things and life said to worship Yahavah in spirit and in truth.




You’re not gonna change my mind, and I ain’t looking for a perfect earth to live on.x

 

[WPM]

It’s all been taken care of by Jesus.

People are awoken from spiritual death to spiritual life, they build their spiritual body in Christ, so…

Whatever. Reality yeah it exist just as much as the spiritual side I believe in faith.

I ain’t expecting those things to ever stop.

I’m sick and evil my self in my own heart and need a solution, Jesus whom spoke spiritual things and life said to worship Yahavah in spirit and in truth.




You’re not gonna change my mind, and I ain’t looking for a perfect earth to live on.x

You are living in denial!

• Sin still exist!
• Sickness still exists!
• Decay still exists!
• Death still exist!
• The curse still exists!

Perfection is coming. Glorification is coming. Why you would not see that or want that is breathtaking.

 

[MatthewG]

You are living in denial!

• Sin still exist!
• Sickness still exists!
• Decay still exists!
• Death still exist!
• The curse still exists!

Perfection is coming. Glorification is coming. Why you would not see that or want that is breathtaking.

Blah blah blah. You’re ignored. Thanks. It seems you didn’t care to begin with.

All the best I love the ability to close doors.

Something to praise Yahavah for!

 

[WPM]

Blah blah blah. You’re ignored. Thanks. It seems you didn’t care to begin with.

All the best I love the ability to close doors.

Something to praise Yahavah for!

Really? I don't know how I'm going to get through the rest of the day. Stop being childish!

It is the truth that sets men free. You are fighting Scripture and fighting reality.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry I missed this. I was agreeing with you that it will get pretty bad before Jesus returns.

Yeah, I know you agree with that, but it's hard to think it will get quite as bad as in Noah's day in terms of how many people will be saved when Jesus returns. I'm thinking more than 8 people, at least. But, it will be similar in terms of many, many people just going about their lives doing the normal things people do (marrying, eating, drinking, etc.) with no clue about the wrath that is about to come down on them unexpectedly like a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Really? I don't know how I'm going to get through the rest of the day. Stop being childish!

It is the truth that sets men free. You are fighting Scripture and fighting reality.

Yeah, I don't know how you can continue on after a delusional full preterist has decided to not talk to you anymore. Hopefully, you can manage to do so somehow.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

From the beginning of a lengthy era to the end of that era can be called an age in the English language, as far as I know...?

Yes, of course, but we should get our understanding of the Bible from the Bible. Right? Of course. And, as I told you, Jesus talked about this age in terms of this temporal age when people get married and they die and contrasted that with the age to come when people will no longer get married or die (Luke 20:34-36). You are speaking of a supposed "old covenant age" when scripture never does. That's not a good idea. You should speak of the two ages that Jesus spoke about instead.

Yes Jesus instituted the new covenant.......which made the old covenant obsolete and fading away according to Heb 8:13.....it ended finally in 70AD with the destruction of the Temple and removal of the old covenant people.

You are badly mistaken. Do you not know what the word obsolete means? As you said yourself, Jesus made the old covenant obsolete when He instituted the new covenant, which He did by way of His shed blood (Hebrews 8-10). The word obsolete means no longer in effect. It was done for completely at that point. God's people were under the new covenant at that point and not under the old covenant any longer.

So, the old covenant being made obsolete means it was put to an end. No longer in effect. So, you can't say it ended in 70 AD. No, it ended (was made obsolete) when Jesus died on the cross. When Hebrews 8:13 talks about it fading away it's talking about any traces of its existence going away. The temple buildings were still standing so they served as a reminder of the old covenant's existence even though it was ended and no longer in effect (made obsolete). Not long after Hebrews was written, the temple building were destroyed so the traces of the old covenant faded away completely at that point.

 

[WPM]

Yeah, I know you agree with that, but it's hard to think it will get quite as bad as in Noah's day in terms of how many people will be saved when Jesus returns. I'm thinking more than 8 people, at least. But, it will be similar in terms of many, many people just going about their lives doing the normal things people do (marrying, eating, drinking, etc.) with no clue about the wrath that is about to come down on them unexpectedly like a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

I don't think it is talking about scale. I understand it as meaning degree of depravity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't think it is talking about scale. I understand it as meaning degree of depravity.

I agree with that. I don't see anything anywhere suggesting that there would be very few people saved when Jesus returns, at least in relation to Noah's day. Though He did ask if He would find faith on the earth when He comes (Luke 18:8). Paul did talk about a mass falling away occurring before Jesus returns (2 Thessalonians 2:3), so there certainly comes a point (probably already started) when less people are saved than before.

But, I do think it's more about the degree of depravity, like you said. As Paul said, "But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:13). So, it seems to be more about people becoming more evil rather than about how many people are saved, overall. And, I think that's exactly what we're already seeing in the world today.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why then do you and your Preterist friends continually go on 99% about AD70 and the coming of Titus? Where are all your recent posts on the coming of Christ? All I see is you cutting across those who have that hope.

Exactly. I can't recall ever seeing a partial preterist who doesn't talk far more about what happened in 70 AD than about the future blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s all been taken care of by Jesus.

People are awoken from spiritual death to spiritual life, they build their spiritual body in Christ, so…

Whatever. Reality yeah it exist just as much as the spiritual side I believe in faith.

I ain’t expecting those things to ever stop.

I’m sick and evil my self in my own heart and need a solution, Jesus whom spoke spiritual things and life said to worship Yahavah in spirit and in truth.




You’re not gonna change my mind, and I ain’t looking for a perfect earth to live on.x

This is unbelievably sad. You have been deluded by false preterist teaching. And you are blatantly denying what scripture teaches.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I guess all the Premils here have decided to become Amils? I don't see any objections from any Premils to what was said in the original posts. Clearly, there are no arguments that Premils could make to deny the truths that WPM presented there, so this isn't surprising.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't know how bad God will allow it to get before Jesus returns. Jesus did say it will be like the days of Noah, so it seems it will get pretty bad before Jesus returns, if not quite as bad as those days when only 8 people in the entire world were saved.

Luke 18:6-8KJV
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[MatthewG]

Luke 18:6-8KJV
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

If just quote that one verse, you have to take the whole context of the narrative given in the bible.....

Because Revelation stated he was coming quickly.

But alas, people only desire to mess around and just believe whatever they want to despite context because who cares, it's only about what they believe...

 

[Lizbeth]

Why then do you and your Preterist friends continually go on 99% about AD70 and the coming of Titus? Where are all your recent posts on the coming of Christ? All I see is you cutting across those who have that hope.

His word is lamp unto our feet and light unto our path. I'm just pointing out an aspect that not many have cottoned on to, and which the Lord was gracious to open my eyes to fairly recently, just maybe three years ago or so ago. Since what was to the Jew first foreshadows what is coming to the Gentile, I believe this needs to be understood and looked at.

Our blessed hope is the salvation/eternal life that is to be brought to us at His appearing. Christ in us is the HOPE of glory, and who hopes for what he already has? For the vast majority of believers all down through history this will happen after our death so it behooves us all at any time in history to be ready for the Lord at any time because no one knows the day and hour of our death either.