Nebuchadnezzar's Statue vs. Heads of the Beast - How Would You Link Them?

[Wish-it]

In John 5:43, Jesus said to the Jews of his day that they reject him as their king although He comes in the name of the Lord. But another coming in his own name (i.e. someone that God did not send to be their king) they would accept. The another will be the Antichrist.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their King of Israel, messiah - someone other than Jesus. The Antichrist will be that person - until he reveals himself to be the man of sin, by committing the act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

I do consider the Jews will be looking for their Messiah, as they obviously missed him last time. But like Islam, the Jews will expect a Messiah, but will be incorrectly identified. Id put the antichrist to be Islamic. I wouldnt consider the scriptures supplied to be indicating he will be Jewish. With regards to the passage from Dan 11.37.

In John 5:43, Jesus said to the Jews of his day that they reject him as their king although He comes in the name of the Lord. But another coming in his own name (i.e. someone that God did not send to be their king) they would accept. The another will be the Antichrist.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their King of Israel, messiah - someone other than Jesus. The Antichrist will be that person - until he reveals himself to be the man of sin, by committing the act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

So how do you consider Dan 11.37 He will show no regard to the gods of his ancestors?

 

[Jay Ross]

The short answer is that there has never been any way to link Daniel 2 with Daniel 7. The linkage was forced to demonise the RCC and the Pope. The reformation father's understanding has unfortunately taken a stronghold in the minds of many "christians" in todays' world and as such they are chasing illusions as to the true entities of the respective beasts. The beasts are the four winds of heaven i.e. fallen angels.,

 

[Douggg]

So how do you consider Dan 11.37 He will show no regard to the gods of his ancestors?

Daniel 11:36 picks up in the end times, after the person has become the beast-king - "36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. kjv

The Daniel 11:37 segment of "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers" indicates that the person will be a Jew. Jews have the saying "the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob" taken from Exodus 3:6.

 

[Wish-it]

Daniel 11:36 picks up in the end times, after the person has become the beast-king - "36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. kjv

The Daniel 11:37 segment of "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers" indicates that the person will be a Jew. Jews have the saying "the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob" taken from Exodus 3:6.

My reading is that he will come from Abraham's family, which includes Ishmael and Esau, who werent jewish, and whose very blessings by Abraham and Isaac (Gen 16.11,12, Gen 27.39,40 and Gen 25.23) indicate who the final battles will be between, Israel and the Islamic nations. Zech 12, Ezek 38,39.

 

[Douggg]

The short answer is that there has never been any way to link Daniel 2 with Daniel 7. The linkage was forced to demonise the RCC and the Pope. The reformation father's understanding has unfortunately taken a stronghold in the minds of many "christians" in todays' world and as such they are chasing illusions as to the true entities of the respective beasts. The beasts are the four winds of heaven i.e. fallen angels.,

During the reformation break away from the control that the Vatican held over the RCC, there was much persecution of those persons breaking away. For the reason, many of the reform leaders reasoned (incorrectly) that the papacy/popes was the Antichrist. The Antichrist will not be a pope.

However, that incorrect reformers reasoning has nothing to do with the ten toes kings of Daniel 2 being the same ten kings of Daniel 7 and the same ten kings of Revelation 17.

The Roman Empire manifested in the end times is the EU. The EU is where the ten kings (leaders) will emerge and the little horn person.

 

[Douggg]

My reading is that he will come from Abraham's family, which includes Ishmael and Esau, who werent jewish, and whose very blessings by Abraham and Isaac (Gen 16.11,12, Gen 27.39,40 and Gen 25.23) indicate who the final battles will be between, Israel and the Islamic nations. Zech 12, Ezek 38,39.

There is a view that the Antichrist will be the Muslim Mahdi. I don't agree with that view for many reasons. One being that the beast-king will require worship - which is fundamental against muslim belief. So the Mahdi cannot be the Antichrist who later becomes the beast-king.

Also, the religion of Islam will be discredited when the Gog/Magog event will take place. And will basically end at that point.

Islam will have a significant role in leading up to the Gog/Magog attack on Israel. But not following the Gog/Magog event.

 

[Jay Ross]

During the reformation break away from the control that the Vatican held over the RCC, there was much persecution of those persons breaking away. For the reason, many of the reform leaders reasoned (incorrectly) that the papacy/popes was the Antichrist. The Antichrist will not be a pope.

However, that incorrect reformers reasoning has nothing to do with the ten toes kings of Daniel 2 being the same ten kings of Daniel 7 and the same ten kings of Revelation 17.

The Roman Empire manifested in the end times is the EU. The EU is where the ten kings (leaders) will emerge and the little horn person.

Dougggggggg, the Roman Empire had no dominion over the Land of Babylon because the Seleucid Empire around the year 120 BC had desolated and devastated the Land of Babylon some 60 years before the Roman Empire became a dominate power around the Mediterranean Sea. In Rev 16:19b we are told that the Land of Babylon was remembered once more to receive God's cup of wrapth once more in 1926 Ad.

The ten toes has nothing to do with the ten kings of the Beast in Rev 17.

 

[Wish-it]

There is a view that the Antichrist will be the Muslim Mahdi. I don't agree with that view for many reason. One being that the beast-king will require worship - which is fundamental against muslim belief. So the Mahdi cannot be the Antichrist who later becomes the beast-king.

Also, the religion of Islam will be discredited when the Gog/Magog event will take place. And will basically end at that point.

Islam will have a significant role in leading up to the Gog/Magog attack on Israel. But not following the Gog/Magog event.

When islamists sceam out Allah Akbar is that worship of some kind? I agree the battles will end at the Lords coming, read the Islamic shahada it seems to be something believers hopefully won't agree to.
Dan 2 shows a fourth kingdom shown in Dan 7, 8 to be a coalition which will attack Israel before the Lords coming. Dan 2 shows that iron and clay will not remain united. Then the Lord with his army will strike the feet.

 

[Douggg]

When islamists sceam out Allah Akbar is that worship of some kind? I agree the battles will end at the Lords coming, read the Islamic shahada it seems to be something believers hopefully won't agree to.
Dan 2 shows a fourth kingdom shown in Dan 7, 8 to be a coalition which will attack Israel before the Lords coming. Dan 2 shows that iron and clay will not remain united. Then the Lord with his army will strike the feet.

In Muslim end times view, their version of the Antichrist is called the dajjal. Their description of the dajjal is that he will be one eyed, with the other eye deformed, swollen and bulging the size of a grape, and on his forehead will be written the name "kafur".

You can do a you tube search on the dajjal to learn more.

There is no person in bible prophecy that matches the physical description of the muslim dajjal. Another reason to disregard Islam as being around after the Gog/Magog event, as a widespread religion.

After Gog/Magog, there may be some pockets of Muslims in the middle east who are going to respond when the Jews lead by the Antichrist start tearing down the dome of the rock and al-aqsa mosque and start building their temple on the temple mount.

Any muslim resistance will be put down by the Antichrist

The Revelation 6:2 rider on the white horse, the Antichrist, will do the conquering of them.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

[Wish-it]

In Muslim end times view, their version of the Antichrist is called the dajjal. Their description of the dajjal is that he will be one eyed, with the other eye deformed, swollen and bulging the size of a grape, and on his forehead will be written the name "kafur".

You can do a you tube search on the dajjal to learn more.

There is no person in bible prophecy that matches the physical description of the muslim dajjal. Another reason to disregard Islam as being around after the Gog/Magog event, as a widespread religion.

After Gog/Magog, there may be some pockets of Muslims in the middle east who are going to respond when the Jews lead by the Antichrist start tearing down the dome of the rock and al-aqsa mosque and start building their temple on the temple mount.

Any muslim resistance will be put down by the Antichrist

The Revelation 6:2 rider on the white horse, the Antichrist, will do the conquering of them.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The king of Assyria seems to fit closely to an Islamic Messiah. Nahum 3.18,19, Zech 11.17, Rev 13.3.
Rev 6.2 could also be Muslim.
Reading Dan 11 is useful.

 

[Douggg]

The king of Assyria seems to fit closely to an Islamic Messiah. Nahum 3.18,19, Zech 11.17, Rev 13.3.
Rev 6.2 could also be Muslim.
Reading Dan 11 is useful.

There is no longer a country of Assyria.

 

[ewq1938]

The Daniel 11:37 segment of "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers" indicates that the person will be a Jew.

It does not indicate that at all. It only says that person will not be following the God that his ancestors did but does not state which people or which God is being addressed.

 

[Wish-it]

It does not indicate that at all. It only says that person will not be following the God that his ancestors did but does not state which people or which God is being addressed.

To me, its a clue that he will be related to Abraham and Isaac, but not follow the royal line ie the line of Judah. Hence from the nations surrounding Israel.

 

[ewq1938]

To me, its a clue that he will be related to Abraham and Isaac, but not follow the royal line ie the line of Judah. Hence from the nations surrounding Israel.

It's not a clue that identifies any of his relatives. You are merely assuming his relatives are Hebrew.

 

[Wish-it]

It's not a clue that identifies any of his relatives. You are merely assuming his relatives are Hebrew.

No but if you follow the origins of the AC in Dan 2,7,8,11 there's clues as to where he originates.
Javan was a son of Japheth.

 

[ewq1938]

No but if you follow the origins of the AC in Dan 2,7,8,11 there's clues as to where he originates.
Javan was a son of Japheth.

That won't be able to identify who his relatives are though. People migrate so places cannot properly determine the race of people who lived there long ago. The middle east has had nearly every race of people at one time or another. Again, the text does not identify the race of anyone in that particular passage. The race of the AC is unknown and un-mentioned in the bible.

 

[Wish-it]

That won't be able to identify who his relatives are though. People migrate so places cannot properly determine the race of people who lived there long ago. The middle east has had nearly every race of people at one time or another. Again, the text does not identify the race of anyone in that particular passage. The race of the AC is unknown and un-mentioned in the bible.

So the author of the scriptures, just put that stuff there for no reason? Scripture shows the race of the AC.

 

[Mark51]

I view the Little Horn in Daniel 7 as coming in the future, somewhere in the 'toes' part of the statue timeline:



The Little Horn in Daniel 8 however, appears to have come and gone a long time ago:



What do you think?

The beast described at Daniel 7:6 and 8:21 refers to the Greek Empire. Later, the four sub-kingdoms that arose out of Alexander’s kingdom (Daniel 8:8, 22), and they were absorbed/conquered by Rome-becoming the sixth world power of Bible prophecy. (Daniel 7:7; Revelation 17:10) The “small horn” was an offshoot of one of the “ten horns” arising out of the Roman Empire.-Daniel 7:8; 8:8, 9, 21, 22.

Britain was a northwestern offshoot of the Roman Empire. As history shows, the Roman Empire declined, but the influence of the Greco-Roman civilization continued in Britain and in other parts of Europe that had been under Roman dominion.

The British Empire eventually defeated three powerful rivals: Spain, France and the Netherlands. (Daniel 7:8) After it dominion and influence started to spread over a large areas of the world, it ultimately became the foundation of a world power of Bible prophecy. Its strength eventual grew greater after the United States of America collaborated with Britain. This new relationship now became the seventh world power of -Bible prophecy-a dual world power.-Revelation 17:10.

 

[Bladerunner]

I am curious as to how you would link Nebuchadnezzar's statue with the heads of the beast in Revelation.

Here is my list:

• Head of Gold = 3rd Head of the Beast = King of Babylon
• Breast/Arms of Silver = 4th Head of the Beast = King of Medo-Persia
• Belly/Thighs of Brass = 5th Head of the Beast = King of Greece
• Legs of Iron = 6th Head of the Beast = King of Rome
• Feet of Iron and Clay = 7th Head of the Beast = Hitler
• Toes = 8th Head of the Beast = Image of the Beast (Final Antichrist)

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I see Hitler as being a good fit for the Seventh Head. The Image of the Beast will be the final 'Eighth of the Seven'. These are just my opinions of course.

Would you link any of the Little Horns in Daniel to these 'heads'? Are they the same? Different?

Do these even link together in the first place?

Please post your thoughts.

The miry feet and toes are not told to us and we will not know them until Dan 70th week begins.. and no, Hitler a antichrist to be sure does not factor in the last days. His time ended in 1945.

 

[Timtofly]

Would you link any of the Little Horns in Daniel to these 'heads'? Are they the same? Different?

Do these even link together in the first place?

The horns refer to individuals. The seperate heads refer to world powers. Nebuchadnezzar was never called a horn, but was the head, not his kingdom.

Daniel 2:37-39

"Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,"

According to the Word of God given to Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar was the only kingdom, and the second head of the dragon, the sea beast, and the scarlet colored beast. No person would ever be that powerful and great again. All would be inferior.

The primary head in Revelation is Satan as depicted by the dragon. Also, denying that fact, would leave one with 6 useless heads in Revelation 12.

The ten horns in Revelation cannot be the same as those mentioned anywhere in Daniel. So Revelation does not talk about the little horn once, nor covers any historical person covered by Daniel. Revelation 17:12.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

They have never had nor been any nation ever in history. I am not sure why so many just gloss over this verse as if it does not exist. These ten horns, individuals, only rule for a short period of time, with Satan, who is one of the heads, and one of the kingdoms, ie, the 8th kingdom to be exact.

Are there ten horns in Revelation 12? Yes, but Revelation 12 does not tell us who they are. Are there ten horns in Revelation 13? Yes, send once again, no explanation of who they are. So the only explanation of these ten horns, can only be found in Revelation 17. Are they historical, kingdoms? No, because they only have power when Satan is the King of the world as the head of the dragon, sea beast, and scarlet beast, the last historical king of kings, like Nebuchadnezzar was the first king of kings, per Daniel 2.

As for who and when these other 6 heads, are and the time frame is irrelevant to Revelation. 5 have fallen. We are in the 6th head time frame, which will be restored at the Second Coming, not any time frame sooner, because no way would any nation rule over all other nations in our current society. Something happens, that brings Satan onto the world scene, and heals the 6th world kingdom. The only thing that comes to mind is the second coming, which will unite the world more than any other thought up scenario.

Most agree with Medes/Persians as one head. Greece as one head. Rome as one head. The Holy Roman Empire took over until the 15th century as the ten toes. That makes the 5 that have fallen. We have been in the mortally wounded defunct 6th head. There has not been one single nation since the 15th century, and some would question how much power the 5th head had. There are 5 covered in Daniel 2. The 6th one was defunct and John told every one that in the first century. The 7th head is Satan, who is the 8th kingdom if it even happens.

Jesus is the 7th Kingdom per Revelation 11, and the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Which gives time for the 6th head to be restored and then removed from power.