In the OT, God said do not eat the pork.

[PS95]

And here are some more bloody stuff out of the mouth

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood

Guess who was offended when Jesus said in Matt 15:11

“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”


Matt 15:12
Then the disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?”

 

[Muna]

Guess who was offended when Jesus said in Matt 15:11

“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”


Matt 15:12
Then the disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?”

Right, and I always use the above verses as the obvious exception to this verse

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

 

[Muna]

Bloody and deceitful men

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

 

[PS95]

Right, and I always use the above verses as the obvious exception to this verse

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

stick with me-- (back to foods)

Here is what Jesus said, when the disciples told Him that the Pharisees were offended when He taught that nothing we eat can defile us.

Matt 11;13-20
13But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14Leave them alone; they are blind guides [e]of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16[g]Jesus said, “Are you also still lacking in understanding? 17Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and slanderous statements. 20These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”

 

[quietthinker]

Right, and I always use the above verses as the obvious exception to this verse

James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Ahhhh, bridling!....just make certain it's the right end of the horse you are bridling.

 

[Muna]

Bloody and deceitful men

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

This one fits

Jerm 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

 

[jaybird]

It isn't just pigs that are pumped full of toxins. It's beef too- know where your food comes from.
This is a problem with all of our food- It is the greed of the farmers and the government control over them. Many vegetables are grown in glycosphates (round up) and then drenched with it after harvest to prevent sprouting! GMO food are toxic.
Pork in and of itself is not evil- all food is now clean in God's eyes.
Even our milk when pasteurized is terrible for digestion.
Just do your best to be educated and find a farmer who is ethical and organic/pastured to purchase from. I am fortunate to live near many.
Grown your own if you can- raise chickens- it's not hard. If you can't, then look for farmers- many deliver to your door.
Always pray over your food- giving thanks and asking for blessings of safe foods and never stress.

i was gonna say same thing, i had a service call on a chicken farm years ago, it made me never want chicken again, the way they raise those birds all packed in there, not allowed to give them sunlight which is just straight up weird, and all the toxic garbage they pump in them. very unnatural.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I might ask why the most necessary things would include both things strangled, and blood

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

1Sam 14:32 And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the blood.

The latter you can show with blood, but I have yet to find an example of things strangled, unless I am missing it

A strangled animal was not killed in the correct way, or properly bled.....according to the law, the animal was to be slaughtered, and it’s blood drained out on the ground, symbolically returning its life to God. (Deut 12:15-16)

 

[Muna]

Ahhhh, bridling!....just make certain it's the right end of the horse you are bridling.

There is this one

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

And this one too

Psalm 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

 

[Muna]

A strangled animal was not killed in the correct way, or properly bled.....according to the law, the animal was to be slaughtered, and it’s blood drained out on the ground, symbolically returning its life to God.

Thanks, so it is also speaking concerning the manner which something is killed, that strangling was not proper way to do that.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

I might ask why the most necessary things would include both things strangled, and blood

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Genesis​

And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the blood.

The latter you can show with blood, but I have yet to find an example of things strangled, unless I am missing it

Genesis 9:4​

Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat'' was the first time God's directed against eating blood'' .
that law go's way back .

as for 1Sam 14:32 I could speculate that the animals were killed correctly but the carcass were not hung up to drain the blood completely, they then began cutting with the animals carcass being butchered where it lay on the ground.

 

[Muna]

stick with me-- (back to foods)

Here is what Jesus said, when the disciples told Him that the Pharisees were offended when He taught that nothing we eat can defile us.

Matt 11;13-20
13But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14Leave them alone; they are blind guides [e]of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16[g]Jesus said, “Are you also still lacking in understanding? 17Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and those things defile the person. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, acts of adultery, other immoral sexual acts, thefts, false testimonies, and slanderous statements. 20These are the things that defile the person; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the person.”

Correct, but they still wrote what was considered necessary things

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Then we would just need to close the gaps between these

 

[quietthinker]

There is this one

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

And this one too

Psalm 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

Anyone with a concordance or access to a computer can punch in words and get a truck load of connections with those words.
In the religious world, this is the big 'look at me, look at me, I'm biblically informed'

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thanks, so it is also speaking concerning the manner which something is killed, that strangling was not proper way to do that.

“Kosher” methods of meat slaughter and preparation still apply in many countries.

 

[quietthinker]

“Kosher” methods of meat slaughter and preparation still apply in many countries.

ohhhh, and I thought it was a derivative of celebrity fans saying, go Cher

 

[BlueNightingale]

gasp, why would ya eat raw chicken ?? if you want to eat a rare steak have at it ,as long as it was killed and bled correctly .

Ah, no. Strangulation. Some farms will pull a chicken (I don't know about other poultry) through some funnel type thing and grab the neck and that's just how it is done. (I'm trying to keep this PG.)

I don't believe the FDA in the USA regulates humane slaughter for poultry.

 

[BlueNightingale]

I take the view that most 'food' we purchase through regular outlets are affected by poisons of some sort. What do I do about it? I take calculated risks on some items.

I think the health laws regarding unclean and clean in Leviticus 11 are worth taking note of......and here I am in the golden years getting around spritely and no medications. I put that down to a large extent of being mindful of what I have made a habit over decades, what to ingest and what not ingest.

You probably either read, or would appreciate, the book The Maker's Diet.

 

[quietthinker]

You probably either read, or would appreciate, the book The Maker's Diet.

I'm not familiar with it Fluff fluff

 

[BlueNightingale]

In the OT declares pork unclean,
and I once puzzled over this 'uncleanness'—
until I learned how modern swine
are pumped full of hormones and aphrodisiac drugs.

Now I wonder: when we eat such flesh,
does it stir unnatural lust within us?
Perhaps this is the very defilement
God warned against in His wisdom.

How,do,you think about it?

We don't believe pork is forbidden, but we can't bring ourselves to eat it.

Except bacon. I like making char siu from time to time but I'll probably use beef next time, because it makes everyone uncomfortable.

We definitely do not have ham on Easter, because Jesus was Jewish and it doesn't logically make sense. But we also don't do many traditional eggs and bunnies either, because that has nothing to do with the Bible at all. We don't judge other people who do. We just don't want to participate.

 

[Muna]

Anyone with a concordance or access to a computer can punch in words and get a truck load of connections with those words.
In the religious world, this is the big 'look at me, look at me, I'm biblically informed'

I created my own search engine on this flash drive, where I can pull up any study using a variety of different words, took me all year, preparing for going offline (so I would have it just as I desire it). But that makes perfect sense for me to do because I love sharing the words of God. But more than just a word search, each thing is rewritten many different ways as I have given thought to the word of God so I can provide the same in whatever topic I might decide to partake in.

Now personally I prefer to post the scriptures, over someone who speaks only from themselves, the one I believe glorifies God speaking His words, and the other seeks own glory for themselves

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

"Look at me" or the self glorying comes through the latter, speaking all of their own mind, rather than speaking His words that he mght be glorified.