Learning about Orthodoxy

[Big Boy Johnson]

the Seventh Day Adventists with the same claim

But, Barney Fife claims the Seventh Day Adventists do not believe one has to belong to their cult, uh I mean church, in order to be saved and go to Heaven

 

[Jesus Wept]

I have biblical reasons for not being orthodox myself, and I seriously considered it. That being said, I listen to several Orthodox priests regularly, and have been greatly blessed by their ministries.

Here's a couple videos for those who are interested.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I listen to several Orthodox priests regularly

Well that explains a lot.

Sitting under false doctrine willingly is quite the feat!

 

[David in NJ]

But, Barney Fife claims the Seventh Day Adventists do not believe one has to belong to their cult, uh I mean church, in order to be saved and go to Heaven

SDA believe that if you worship on Sunday you are in dire SIN and are acting as an accomplice to RCC/Vatican

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

SDA believe that if you worship on Sunday you are in dire SIN and are acting as an accomplice to RCC/Vatican

Yeah I think Barney Fife told everyone about that

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah I think Barney Fife told everyone about that

i love @BarneyFife and @Brakelite

Currently they just cannot see that the Word that was God, Him who created all things for His pleasure and His Purpose,
is GREATER then Solomon, the Temple and the sabbath.

One Day they will SEE Him in Glory and then they will know!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

One Day they will SEE Him in Glory

The Lord will make that call and determine if the false teaching they espouse is salvation critical or not.

It's not looking good as SDAs seem to be trying to walk in portions of the old covenant that Jesus took away and is no longer in effect having been replaced by the New Covenant and the Doctrine of Christ

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Apparently the so called "orthodox" church believes anyone that is not a member of the so called "orthodox" church is dammed to hell because they believe their denomination is the only true "church"

So for those that have not joined the so called "orthodox" church, you are on your way to hell!

Yeah that does not sound like most Orthodox I have met or read. It is funny however this actually reflects your opinion of me in your first post. Perhaps there is a bit of Projection going on? At any rate why not get things from the horse's mouth rather than some guy looking to poison the well?

"Separated Brethren" is the more regular view in not just the Eastern Churches and Communion, but even in Catholicism since Vatican II.

I could not find a short little video on YouTube so decided to use Grok to analyze and found this confirmation in its conclusion statement.

Conclusion​

Eastern Orthodoxy views Traditional Protestants and Radical Reformation groups as separated brethren who possess elements of Christian truth but lack the fullness of the Church’s sacramental and apostolic life. While salvation is possible for non-Orthodox Christians through God’s mercy, Orthodoxy teaches that the surest path to salvation is within its communion. The degree of divergence (less for Traditional Protestants, greater for Radical Reformation groups) influences how Orthodoxy perceives their spiritual status, but ultimate judgment is left to God. For further reading, authoritative Orthodox sources include The Orthodox Church by Kallistos Ware or statements from the Orthodox Faith and Order Commission in ecumenical dialogues.

 

[Brakelite]

But, Barney Fife claims the Seventh Day Adventists do not believe one has to belong to their cult, uh I mean church, in order to be saved and go to Heaven

SDA believe that if you worship on Sunday you are in dire SIN and are acting as an accomplice to RCC/Vatican

Your guys' constant misrepresenting of us is perplexing, considering the huge amount of resources available through SDA web sites that will inform you of the truth of what we actually believe. It seems you are afraid to actually investigate in case you may need to retract all your false assertions. Neither of you have ever bothered to read any of Ellen White's materials or books have you. Apart from maybe some out of context quote from our enemies. There is not another church on the planet with as many resources informing anyone openly as to what and why we believe the way we do. Nothing's hidden. What are you afraid of?

 

[Brakelite]

But, Barney Fife claims the Seventh Day Adventists do not believe one has to belong to their cult, uh I mean church, in order to be saved and go to Heaven

You believe Barney? I'm asking because most, if not all, cultists are well known for lying, deceiving, obscuring the truth about their motives and life principles. So if we are a cult, it would be generally expected that not much of what we tell you would be true, and if it were true at all, it would be designed to deceive. So when Barney says there are Christians in all denominations with a genuine and real future in glory, do you believe him, or is he lying to you?

 

[Wynona]

I have biblical reasons for not being orthodox myself, and I seriously considered it. That being said, I listen to several Orthodox priests regularly, and have been greatly blessed by their ministries.

Here's a couple videos for those who are interested.

We have spent time considering the Orthodox faith.

It may not be in the plan to join the Orthodox church. Its a beautiful tradition but we're running into obstacles that we can't easily dismiss.

 

[amigo de christo]

We have spent time considering the Orthodox faith.

It may not be in the plan to join the Orthodox church. Its a beautiful tradition but we're running into obstacles that we can't easily dismiss.

Let not a word of the LORD be dimissed . Many places can have lovely traditions
But there is good reason by grace i have never joined them . And it aint hate either .
My desire is real simple .
I mean very very simple . Fellowship with those whose desire is in all THINGS to Please and honor the glorious LORD .
But often things done , even taught and allowed by many places
BRING great dishonor and encourage only rebellion TO THE VERY GOD we should have loved above all .
And that is not the fellowship i desire . We owe GOD everything . And dishonor and rebellion ought never once
have been allowed or taught by those who lip HIS name . its real simple sister . It really truly is very simple .
SO simple even a wee child of faith could have grasped it .

 

[David in NJ]

The Lord will make that call and determine if the false teaching they espouse is salvation critical or not.

It's not looking good as SDAs seem to be trying to walk in portions of the old covenant that Jesus took away and is no longer in effect having been replaced by the New Covenant and the Doctrine of Christ

You are correct in how SDA combines certain OT law with the FINISHED Work of CHRIST.

God forbids it but i am not the Judge and i only point them to Christ being GREATER then the Temple and the sabbath and all the 7 Feasts.

 

[Brakelite]

SDA believe that if you worship on Sunday you are in dire SIN and are acting as an accomplice to RCC/Vatican

Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to engage with one another, bear false witness, gain courage from one another's cowardice, and ignore what is being said to you by those who actually know. Unless of course you think they are lying, but then you would have to produce some real evidence to justify such a stance, which you cannot do because it doesn't exist.

 

[amigo de christo]

Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to engage with one another, bear false witness, gain courage from one another's cowardice, and ignore what is being said to you by those who actually know. Unless of course you think they are lying, but then you would have to produce some real evidence to justify such a stance, which you cannot do because it doesn't exist.

If i showed up setting a date for the return of Christ
would you follow me . OF course you would not .
Even if another came and told you , HEY amigo had the date right but the location wrong .
SO why follow invesitgative judgment of ellen white .
GOD did not speak to miller about any such thing . Miller set a date brakelite .
HE set a date . Rather than they all repenting of it
Miss ellen comes along and then tries to imply HE had the date right but that the location was wrong .
SORRY but that is NOT how it works . HE was setting dates brakelite .
A date setter should never have been heeded . And no matter what one says about such a man
and tries to then imply something else was meant by it , WE OUGHT NOT to heed such a voice
NO matter how hard they try and make it make sense . Investigative judgment , IS an excuse to cover for a man
who set dates .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are correct in how SDA combines certain OT law with the FINISHED Work of CHRIST.

God forbids it but i am not the Judge and i only point them to Christ being GREATER then the Temple and the sabbath and all the 7 Feasts.

And who fullfills this pattern .
From even the priests washing themselves with water and the cleansing
from the feasts
from even the sabbath
HE who gave them this pattern would later come and fullfill and to offer up a far better sacrifice
than the blood of bulls and of goats .
All things in the law were to make clean as pertains to the flesh
And even in the law and the prophets it can be seen for whom They made ready the people .
One was coming to FINISH the works that no man could .
One was coming to give THE REST to the peoples that by the law they could not attain .
One was coming WHO IS the FIRST FRUIT and that by him we are cleansed and offered up to GOD .
THE FIRSTFRUIT of even those who slept , whose faith had been in HE who both the torah and prophets
SPOKE of .
The earthern was but for a season TILL THE HEAVENLY WOULD BE ESTABLISHED .
There is a REST , a sabbath , a cleansing of the water of the word , a heavenly established
and true . And it be FOUND ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS .
Man failed but GOD prevailed . He has given unto the peoples the WAY
but many reject THE WAY and have reaped major and massive destruction upon themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are correct in how SDA combines certain OT law with the FINISHED Work of CHRIST.

God forbids it but i am not the Judge and i only point them to Christ being GREATER then the Temple and the sabbath and all the 7 Feasts.

Do not begin to say THE TEMPLE , THE TEMPLE
for there is one FAR GREATER THAN THE TEMPLE built by hands .
Many cling to the earthen and unto a way that seems right unto a man
by which they go about to add too the finished works as if HIS work was not enough .
Now we both KNOW JESUS is no ministir of sin either .
And i john saw no temple , FOR GOD and the LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE .
COME ye unto me all you who do labor and are weary and ye shall find REST for your souls .
GOD and CHRIST ARE THE TEMPLE of THE HEAVENLY
JESUS IS OUR REST .
And even the very law and prophets POINT unto HE .
He who cried long ago from a cross at calvary and said , IT IS FINISHED .

 

[David in NJ]

And who fullfills this pattern .
From even the priests washing themselves with water and the cleansing
from the feasts
from even the sabbath
HE who gave them this pattern would later come and fullfill and to offer up a far better sacrifice
than the blood of bulls and of goats .
All things in the law were to make clean as pertains to the flesh
And even in the law and the prophets it can be seen for whom They made ready the people .
One was coming to FINISH the works that no man could .
One was coming to give THE REST to the peoples that by the law they could not attain .
One was coming WHO IS the FIRST FRUIT and that by him we are cleansed and offered up to GOD .
THE FIRSTFRUIT of even those who slept , whose faith had been in HE who both the torah and prophets
SPOKE of .
The earthern was but for a season TILL THE HEAVENLY WOULD BE ESTABLISHED .
There is a REST , a sabbath , a cleansing of the water of the word , a heavenly established
and true . And it be FOUND ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS .
Man failed but GOD prevailed . He has given unto the peoples the WAY
but many reject THE WAY and have reaped major and massive destruction upon themselves .

One was coming to FINISH the works that no man could .

Absolutely True

and yet many cling to the "old wine skins"

 

[David in NJ]

Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to engage with one another, bear false witness, gain courage from one another's cowardice, and ignore what is being said to you by those who actually know. Unless of course you think they are lying, but then you would have to produce some real evidence to justify such a stance, which you cannot do because it doesn't exist.

We judge doctrine, not people.

Have you considered how you are judging Christ???

When SDA says that saturday sabbath is a must for salvation, they make a judgment against Christ.

 

[Brakelite]

If i showed up setting a date for the return of Christ
would you follow me . OF course you would not .
Even if another came and told you , HEY amigo had the date right but the location wrong .
SO why follow invesitgative judgment of ellen white .
GOD did not speak to miller about any such thing . Miller set a date brakelite .
HE set a date . Rather than they all repenting of it
Miss ellen comes along and then tries to imply HE had the date right but that the location was wrong .
SORRY but that is NOT how it works . HE was setting dates brakelite .
A date setter should never have been heeded . And no matter what one says about such a man
and tries to then imply something else was meant by it , WE OUGHT NOT to heed such a voice
NO matter how hard they try and make it make sense . Investigative judgment , IS an excuse to cover for a man
who set dates .

There are two major flaws in your argument.
First, the date is real. 22 October 1844 is a biblical milestone. You guys have no answer as to what it means, therefore I suggest you leave it alone, despite Miller getting the event wrong.
Second, it wasn't the Seventh Day Adventist church that set that date. It was the Bible. Nor was it the Seventh Day Adventist church that claimed it was the date for the second coming. Yes, there were some among those who were disappointed who later became Seventh Day Adventists, but they, through prayer and Bible study, came to an understanding that even for those who were never there, find it very satisfactory as an explanation to why God set that date in scripture.

As for your statement, Miller set a date, it wasn't Miller, it was the prophet Daniel, and as for following people who make mistakes, remember, Paul murdered numerous Christians yet you study and read and recommended his letters to this very day, to everyone on this forum. You follow him and in nearly all your posts suggest others do the same. Those early Adventists murdered no-one. They did nothing except love Jesus and have hope for His return. Oh that more were like them.