Every rapture position is new

[rebuilder 454]

Hi rebuilder 454,

The person who becomes the Antichrist can be determined ahead of his becoming the Antichrist by his becoming the leader over a panel of ten EU leaders. Revealing himself as the little horn person (stage 1).

The revealing of the person as the man of sin (stage 4) will not be until around 3 years into the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.


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In revelation, it says the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Any believer, that has an ounce of discernment, will see that the guy who is right now being groomed to be a one world leader....
Will show his face, long before taking power....
I know for a fact I will see who he is by the Spirit of God operating in me.
Obama was a fore runner.
He had many, many characteristics of the AC.

Half of America fawned over that evil man.
That is a VIVID example of "REVEALED."
Obama was "REVEALED" to the men/women of God.

Ahem....way way way before he took power.

 

[David in NJ]

I think what's important to note, is that God rarely reveals to us something, that doesn't have relevance in a number of ways.

We should be asking God to use the notion of the rapture, to give coherence and meaning to our lives (in readiness and spiritual discipline, for example).

If we chop and change what we think the rapture is, God will never be able to bless us, with preparation for it.

If we chop and change what we think the rapture is, God will never be able to bless us, with preparation for it.

@Gottservant, Please elaborate on this - thank you


@Jericho

 

[Gottservant]

@Gottservant, Please elaborate on this - thank you


@Jericho

I am just saying "God knows how to interpret the Rapture, we should be relying on Him"

Can't you see? Every nation has a different kind of Rapture to believe in!

 

[David in NJ]

I am just saying "God knows how to interpret the Rapture, we should be relying on Him"

God has interpreted the timing of the Rapture in the Gospel and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians and Revelation and OT Daniel

Every person who claims to know Christ must obey/submit to what the Holy Spirit wrote down in the Scriptures which a child can understand.

LOOK how easy God Said it for us = 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


Does the Rapture precede the Coming of Christ and the Resurrection??? = Absolutely Not

SEE how God Speaks for a child to understand.

 

[Gottservant]

God has interpreted the timing of the Rapture in the Gospel and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians and Revelation and OT Daniel
[...]

What I said still stands: every nation will interpret the Rapture differently.

Only the Holy Spirit has the power, to rule every nation.

The Return of Jesus, is on the foundation of the Holy Spirit.

 

[IndianaRob]

God has interpreted the timing of the Rapture in the Gospel and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians and Revelation and OT Daniel

Every person who claims to know Christ must obey/submit to what the Holy Spirit wrote down in the Scriptures which a child can understand.

LOOK how easy God Said it for us = 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


Does the Rapture precede the Coming of Christ and the Resurrection??? = Absolutely Not

SEE how God Speaks for a child to understand.

I’m curious David, how does “it is appointed unto man once to die…” fit the rapture doctrine?

 

[David in NJ]

What I said still stands: every nation will interpret the Rapture differently.

Only the Holy Spirit has the power, to rule every nation.

The Return of Jesus, is on the foundation of the Holy Spirit.

What God Says STANDS

Nations DO NOT have say over God

The Return of JESUS is Written in the Holy Scriptures and cannot be overturned = Matthew 24:29-31 and Daniel 12:1-3

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

The pride of men who thinks they know better then God = that did not go well for the Jews, did it now!!!

 

[David in NJ]

I’m curious David, how does “it is appointed unto man once to die…” fit the rapture doctrine?

Great Question

i could elaborate on this but will first point you to the words of Christ for you to dwell on concerning this.

Matthew 24:21-22
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I’m curious David, how does “it is appointed unto man once to die…” fit the rapture doctrine?

Enoch
Elijah
Never died
At the rapture, In 1 cor, it says "we will changed."
The living receive glorified bodies.
The dead in Christ are raised ,and those living beings that come to life, receive glorified bodies.
In both instances the living receive glorified bodies.

 

[IndianaRob]

Enoch
Elijah
Never died
At the rapture, In 1 cor, it says "we will changed."
The living receive glorified bodies.
The dead in Christ are raised ,and those living beings that come to life, receive glorified bodies.
In both instances the living receive glorified bodies.

Enoch’s death is recorded in Hebrews.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth

 

[Douggg]

Enoch’s death is recorded in Hebrews.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth

Rob, Hebrews 11:5 says that Enoch was translated and taken from this earth, and did not die.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[IndianaRob]

Rob, Hebrews 11:5 says that Enoch was translated and taken from this earth, and did not die.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Yes that’s correct and the Bible is using the same tactics here that are used in the Abraham was saved by grace / Abraham was saved by works contradiction. The same tactics are used all over the Bible to mislead those who are not diligently seeking the truth.

Anyone who reads the Bible should understand this tactic and recognize it when they see it.

In Enochs case, your theology requires Enoch to be raptured so God has given you enough information here to lead you down that path. In other words you got caught in the trap that God laid for those who are not seeking the truth.

The verse you quoted does not say Enoch did not die, it says Enoch did not SEE death. Enoch was taken out of his body and then his body died. Its the same thing that happens with all believers. “It appointed unto man once to die.”

Everybody knows that the whole purpose of that chapter is to show that all of the Old Testament believers DIED in faith without receiving the promises.

Enoch wasn’t special, he wasn’t a “super saint”, he was just like the rest of the saints in that chapter. Every one of the saints in that chapter experienced the exact same translation that Enoch did but God didn’t mention them because its INTENDED to be hidden so that only those that seek after truth can receive it.

 

[Douggg]

The verse you quoted does not say Enoch did not die, it says Enoch did not SEE death. Enoch was taken out of his body and then his body died. Its the same thing that happens with all believers. “It appointed unto man once to die.”

Rob, Enoch's body did not die because it says Enoch "was not found". So no dead body laying around.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[IndianaRob]

Rob, Enoch's body did not die because it says Enoch "was not found". So no dead body laying around.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Enoch is a person in a body, the body of Enoch isn’t Enoch. Enoch was gone from the earth.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I’m curious David, how does “it is appointed unto man once to die…” fit the rapture doctrine?

Enoch
Elijah
Never died
At the rapture, In 1 cor, it says "we will changed."
The living receive glorified bodies.
The dead in Christ are raised ,and those living beings that come to life, receive glorified bodies.

Enoch’s death is recorded in Hebrews.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth

Nope...but creative try on your part. Just incorrect.
Hebrews 11
5 By faith Enoch was translated that HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[IndianaRob]

Enoch
Elijah
Never died
At the rapture, In 1 cor, it says "we will changed."
The living receive glorified bodies.
The dead in Christ are raised ,and those living beings that come to life, receive glorified bodies.
Nope...but creative try on your part. Just incorrect.
Hebrews 11
5 By faith Enoch was translated that HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

So it’s not appointed unto man once to die?

 

[Behold]

The "newness" of the rapture is brought up a lot, especially in regard to the pre-trib rapture

The Rapture is not a new Theology.
Paul wrote about it 2000 yrs ago.

What is new is all the arguing about the word "Rapture".

 

[rebuilder 454]

So it’s not appointed unto man once to die?

Appointed.
Obviously not mandated as the bible declares.
Enoch
Elijah
Those raptured alive in 1 thes 4.

 

[IndianaRob]

Appointed.
Obviously not mandated as the bible declares.
Enoch
Elijah
Those raptured alive in 1 thes 4.

In your view was Enoch’s body changed to the new heavenly body when he was raptured?

 

[Douggg]

In your view was Enoch’s body changed to the new heavenly body when he was raptured?

The word "translated" means changed.