Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[amigo de christo]

Sudden destruction and wrath for the world of men on the Day where Jesus comes as a thief in the night
There will be no healing of the unbelieving, no evangelism, just wrath and anguish for the world

1 Thess 5

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


1 Thess 5
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Let he or she who has ears to hear , hear this simple reminder .
Inquity has skyrocketed and a plan to unify the false with the false rises up in the name and under the cliam
it will bring peace unto this world and unto the middle east .
But its message is OF ANTI CHRIST . IT has lied to this people , it has lied to even the false religoins as well as much of
christendom . IT has lied and said and made the cliam that all religoins do serve the same GOD
and that all must unite and find common ground so as we can attain Peace n safety .
It lies to this people and it speaks of a love , NOT OF GOD , but of the world , and they believe its love
They beleive in its peace and in its interreligious dialgoue by which THEY LIED on stage to the false religoins .
Now JESUS IS BEING DENIED and it sure seems more and more actually love to hear this lie that has made
that path to what THEY SO THINK IS GOD and so beleive will usher peace upon them , Fall upon their hearts and minds .
Many are in love with a broad sin accepting , UNBELEIF accepting LIE
IS it any wonder why paul used those words , FOR WHEN they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION .
LOOK at the means AT What they do and what they teach . A LIE that honors and glorifies NOT THE SON , NOT GOD
but satan who is the prince of all lies . The serpent is a liar my friend .
And what this generation seems not to know is , BY MEANS OF HIS LIE HE WILL MAKE IT SEEM
not as a lie but simply SOMETHING GOOD FOR HUMANITY .
JUST like he did at the tree . OH , NO , YE shall not surely die
YE shall simply become as gods knowing good and evil .
He will make his lie , his cause seem as a just one and necessary and good for humanity WHEN IN FACT
its naught but a second death death sentence upon them all . WE are being LIED TOO big time in this generation.
Only most see it not as a lie , but as love and as a means to have World peace n safety .

 

[amigo de christo]

I chose a long time ago to trust, believe Christ the Lord Jesus…. and precisely why I do not believe you or your non factual commentary of other men.

You chose a long time ago to trust , believe Christ the LORD JESUS .
WELL GOOD .
For HE never came to BRING PEACE ON EARTH , but anti christ sure does .
Our mission is not about world peace n safety
ITS about THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE by which if a man DO BELEIVE he will be saved .
But they have come to merge us into darkness and to enter into a covenant for world peace
with those who even HATE GOD and have DENIED JESUS CHRIST .
We must have no part at all in that matter . The mission of the church
IS TO PREACH JESUS and not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers FOR ANY CAUSE
no matter how good the serpent and his men try and make the cause seem .
BELIEVE JESUS and beware of men for many are trapped in bondage and darkness
many of them can and do even wear wool . I warn out of love for this people and so that none
will even dare to enter into such a death trap covenant as this interfaith interreglious anti christ dilagoue .

 

[amigo de christo]

Another weird belief of some of these 1000-year earthly reign of Christ people is at the return of Christ unbelieving Jews have to be evangelized and taught to believe in Christ, somehow all unbelieving Jews will be evangelized and believe after Christ returns, that unbelieving Jews will be spared from being destroyed at the return of Christ. They refer to the verse where is said and All Israel shall be saved as if Israel is made of unbelieving Jews. Which Jews Jesus told were of their father the devil.

They make up a lot of false doctrine.

2 Thessalonians 1

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

MANY DO believe that . and yet both jews and gentiles were warned
what would occur on THE DAY OF THE LORD WHEN HE DO RETURN .
WHEN HE does return its to DESTROY all who beleived not and had rejected HIM , it aint so that suddenly the jews can now be taught to beleive in HIM .
NO . ITS TOO LATE for any jew or any gentole on that day .
IF folks want jews and gentiles saved , THEN PREACH JESUS TODAY and right now
For on the day of the LORD many jews and many gentiles WILL WAIL . but not the sheep . HIS own
will not go under wrath . BUT ANY and ALL OTHERS WILL .

 

[Scott Downey]

MANY DO believe that . and yet both jews and gentiles were warned
what would occur on THE DAY OF THE LORD WHEN HE DO RETURN .
WHEN HE does return its to DESTROY all who beleived not and had rejected HIM , it aint so that suddenly the jews can now be taught to beleive in HIM .
NO . ITS TOO LATE for any jew or any gentole on that day .
IF folks want jews and gentiles saved , THEN PREACH JESUS TODAY and right now
For on the day of the LORD many jews and many gentiles WILL WAIL . but not the sheep . HIS own
will not go under wrath . BUT ANY and ALL OTHERS WILL .

People have written that in this forum about how all unsaved jews will all be evangelized into an earthy kingdom of God after Christ returns.

I have talked with other Christians who claim the jews are still all of them God's people.
But according to the flesh, none of them are His people.
Fact is the jews ceased to exist long ago as a national religious identity and melted away into the gentiles, with some gentiles then calling themselves jews.

Ten Lost Tribes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, yeah, there may be some who are of that race still around, but like what happened to the 10 lost tribes of the jews, the northern kingdom, no one knows, they are all gone after the Assyrian captivity.
The Jews all had this infatuation with that tiny strip of land and an earthly kingdom and that is all they were concerned with.
And now some Christians are of that same mindset.

Funny how the Judeans of Christ's time were no different than their lost brothers, they also melted away, dispossessed by the Romans and before them the Babylonians did the same thing. This was by the decree and judgments of God against them, for they refused Him who spoke to them from Heaven.
We also better not refuse Him either.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 2:28-29
King James Version

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 12

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

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We refuse Him when we do not believe what He says.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 3

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Spiritually, yes, the mount has spiritually split! Divided between those who look to a physical mountain and those who understand Mt. Zion of God where the spirits of just man are made perfect. Don't be like the Pharisee's of Old who cling to a physical mount olive (Jerusalem of Old) missing Mt Zion of God where we, the assembly of saints spiritually dwell with angels in heavenly Jerusalem when we have been born again.

Hebrews 12:18 (KJV) For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Revelation 21:10 (KJV) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Scripture points to a literal, future event at the Mount of Olives involving the physical return of Jesus, not a past or purely spiritual fulfillment. The Mount of Olives prophecy is yet to be fulfilled when Christ comes again “in like manner” as He ascended. Any claim that the second advent or the splitting of the mount has happened spiritually and not physically contradicts clear, repeated biblical statements.

 

[Taken]

You and others are hanging onto the world
Like this guy here pushing fables

You many need a q-tip. Never once have I claimed to following or am hanging on the words of other men.

What Is the Millennium? 7 Answers to 7 Questions

Dr. David Jeremiah shares details from the Bible about the Millennium, what it will be like, and who will be involved in Christ’s coming Kingdom.

davidjeremiah.blog

There is a sudden destruction coming, and it won't leave the world anything but a burnt out cinder if that

The Earth is NOT the object of Punishment.
The Object of Punishment IS particular People…. People NOT committed to Belief in God.

Going Back to the First Great Trib sent from God…
God said….

Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Nothing new… When the Earth is filled with violence through them.

God controls the Weather, the Earth's movements, the power of Fire.

Christ Jesus reign ON Earth APPEARS “limited to 1,000 years…
Rev 20.

The Limit is NOT to Limit the Power of God… rather Limits…
Satan’s power, fallen angels power, unbelievers power… power of positions, influence, governing, popularity, celebrity, ear tingling, wealth…of non-believing men.

In the First Trib. Sent from God…the Earth was called…”destroyed”.
It was, because Earth IS DRY Land, and the Land was no longer Dry.
Soon thereafter… the Earth returned to Dry Land…

How?
How was by Gods Power, revealed …

Gen. 8:
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
[2] The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
[3] And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Rain stopped, fountains of the deep stopped.
Water abated.
Water returned to … most clouds, to fountains of the deep…
Which we can See clouds…and we can learn of science discoveries of Vast underground Oceans.

If you are familiar with effects of Fire…on trees, grass, wood….yes, it turns to ASH, replenishes the soil, and reproduces lush Green grasses and strong trees.

Seems you envision a waste-land for 1,000 years.

Learn about effects of fire on grasses, trees, wood…and don’t forget about the Seeds… God provided upon the Earth.
Gen. 1: 11, 12, 29.

 

[Scott Downey]

Scripture points to a literal, future event at the Mount of Olives involving the physical return of Jesus, not a past or purely spiritual fulfillment. The Mount of Olives prophecy is yet to be fulfilled when Christ comes again “in like manner” as He ascended. Any claim that the second advent or the splitting of the mount has happened spiritually and not physically contradicts clear, repeated biblical statements.

I see that you seemingly totally reject the New Testament words about what happens when Christ returns.

First off forget about the Mt of Olives for now.
Do you believe that the Day of Judgment is the Day of His return including the resurrection of the dead? Or is it 1000 years later?
Only one is true. So which is it going to be with you?

 

[Scott Downey]

You many need a q-tip. Never once have I claimed to following or am hanging on the words of other men.



The Earth is NOT the object of Punishment.
The Object of Punishment IS particular People…. People NOT committed to Belief in God.

Going Back to the First Great Trib sent from God…
God said….

Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Nothing new… When the Earth is filled with violence through them.

God controls the Weather, the Earth's movements, the power of Fire.

Christ Jesus reign ON Earth APPEARS “limited to 1,000 years…
Rev 20.

The Limit is NOT to Limit the Power of God… rather Limits…
Satan’s power, fallen angels power, unbelievers power… power of positions, influence, governing, popularity, celebrity, ear tingling, wealth…of non-believing men.

In the First Trib. Sent from God…the Earth was called…”destroyed”.
It was, because Earth IS DRY Land, and the Land was no longer Dry.
Soon thereafter… the Earth returned to Dry Land…

How?
How was by Gods Power, revealed …

Gen. 8:
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
[2] The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
[3] And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Rain stopped, fountains of the deep stopped.
Water abated.
Water returned to … most clouds, to fountains of the deep…
Which we can’t See clouds…and we can learn of science discoveries of Vast underground Oceans.

If you are familiar with effects of Fire…on trees, grass, wood….yes, it turns to ASH, replenishes the soil, and reproduces lush Green grasses and strong trees.

Seems you envision a waste-land for 1,000 years.

Learn about effects of fire on grasses, trees, wood…and don’t forget about the Seeds… God provided upon the Earth.
Gen. 1: 11, 12, 29.

No waste land for 1000 years, the earth that now is will be destroyed, and God creates a new earth.
And you talk about other people distorting your words?

You seem to not agree with God creating a new earth, like the earth gets a makeover....

What does God say about what He will do to the first earth?
It is gone. Then we have the judgment

Rev 20
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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Found no place for them, they are disposed of.
Meaning if anyone went to look for them, they could not find them.
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Rev 21

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

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And I don't post back to you thinking you will change your mind as you are hardened.
I only post so that anyone reading it can see what is going on here.

 

[Taken]

No waste land for 1000 years, the earth that now is will be destroyed, and God creates a new earth.
And you talk about other people distorting your words?

No. I disagreed with your implied Context… that Christ Jesus would not rule a kingdom on Earth… because everything was burnt up, as you said.

You seem to not agree with God creating a new earth, like the earth gets a makeover....

I had been speaking of the knowledge revealed in
Rev 20. (And some foretelling Scriptures)
Regarding Christ Jesus Claiming His Inheritance…
Abraham’s Land and king Davids Throne.

Other Scriptures Foretold of Gods intent…
And Jesus Taught for men to Pray For what Shall come to Pass…

Luke 11:
[2] And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.


Rev 21: IS the Revealing of the Kingdom of God ON Earth.

What does God say about what He will do to the first earth?
It is gone. Then we have the judgment

Rev 20
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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Found no place for them, they are disposed of.
Meaning if anyone went to look for them, they could not find them.
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Rev 21

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Scripture not news.
Scripture Not in question, Not Disputed.

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And I don't post back to you thinking you will change your mind as you are hardened.
I only post so that anyone reading it can see what is going on here.

I don’t post back to you … in an attempt to mock you or berate you…as you do, as if that gives you credibility.

Wisdom reveals… God does not React to men…… God Prepares men according to their true desire….

Oh and FYI…

Isa 45:
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Eph..3
[21] Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.


Ecc.. 1:
[4] One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I see that you seemingly totally reject the New Testament words about what happens when Christ returns.

First off forget about the Mt of Olives for now.
Do you believe that the Day of Judgment is the Day of His return including the resurrection of the dead? Or is it 1000 years later?
Only one is true. So which is it going to be with you?

what does the bible say? about judgement?

 

[Scott Downey]

what does the bible say? about judgement?

It's right here of when is the Day of Judgment, it happens on that Day
His reward is with Him to give to each man according to what he has done.
KJV
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

v1, and v8


2 Timothy 4
King James Version
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

[WPM]

Scripture points to a literal, future event at the Mount of Olives involving the physical return of Jesus, not a past or purely spiritual fulfillment. The Mount of Olives prophecy is yet to be fulfilled when Christ comes again “in like manner” as He ascended. Any claim that the second advent or the splitting of the mount has happened spiritually and not physically contradicts clear, repeated biblical statements.

I agree that Scripture teaches a literal physical visible return of Jesus Christ. But, where does it say that that event will occur "at the Mount of Olives"?

 

[Scott Downey]

When is the resurrection and the judgement?

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 5:28-30
King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

[WPM]

Ac 1:6-7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This clearly indicates there WILL be a physical restoration of the literal kingdom of Israel.

The Davidic kingship was never a spiritual kingdom. It was a physical one whose boundaries are well documented. Your interpretation is a fused amalgam of over spiritualization.

Acts 1:6-7 does not mention a future millennium. You're forcing that into the text. You do that with multiple Scriptures, because the Bible does not teach a future millennium. Such an interpretation is definitely not in keeping with the context of the narrative or the actual subject matter under discussion relating to the spiritual empowerment of the Church at Pentecost in order to effectively take the Gospel to the nations. Neither is it consistent with our Lord’s clear and continuous teaching on the kingdom as a spiritual entity, which was ushered in with the commencement of His earthly ministry.

The writer of the book of Acts, in Acts 1:3, highlights the context of our Lord’s teaching (post-Calvary) on the spiritual kingdom of God, saying, “he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.”

Whilst there is no definite amplification of this brief reference to the kingdom of God, there is no exegetical or theological warrant to believe that the message of the kingdom of God, which was evidently widely preached throughout these forty days, related to anything other than the same spiritual message of the kingdom of God that He so extensively and thoroughly preached prior to the cross.

The kingdom of God that Christ introduced was of a spiritual nature. This absolutely confounded the Pharisees and their misguided earthly carnal concept of the Messianic kingdom.

The two verses that go before Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) support the idea of a spiritual kingdom. The two verses that follow Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) show the Lord giving a spiritual response to their question.

Before the question came Christ was exhorting the disciples on the need for patience as they awaited the empowerment of the Holy Ghost to take the Gospel out to “the whosoever.” Everything about the context is spiritual. The Lord was stating “that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence” (Acts 1:4-5).

Surely an unbiased look at these introductory comments would give us insight into what the Lord was teaching and what actually provoked the question that followed it. Undoubtedly the Lord was giving spiritual instruction about a spiritual kingdom that would shortly come with great power and fire? This is not territorial language.

What is “the Promise of the Father” here? Is it a material physical kingdom or is it a spiritual heavenly kingdom? Is it a millennial kingdom similar to this evil age, filled with death and rebellion, or was He speaking of the power of the Holy Ghost that would fall upon the disciples to empower them to bring the good news of Christ to all nations – starting in Jerusalem?

Evidently, Christ was referring to the day of Pentecost where the Church received its Holy Ghost baptism of fire. The whole discourse here is spiritual and revolved around the development of this spiritual kingdom subsequent to Christ’s ascension. Jesus confirms this again in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power (or dunamis) from on high.”

The promise of the Father was the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which was a power from on high that endued them for service.

Jesus had previously said to the disciples in Mark 9:1: “Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (or dunamis).”

Christ was speaking of Pentecost. He said the disciples would not die until they had “seen the kingdom come with power” – referring here the Church's baptism of fire to win a lost world. It didn't mean they would die when that happened.

The disciples then interjected with a question: “Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?”

Premillennialists attribute much extravagant, extensive and grandiose detail to this simple question. They build a whole school of thought pertaining to a supposed period after the second coming out of this basic inquiry. They call it a millennial age and make it a Jewish-orientated kingdom. Nevertheless, and significantly, New Testament Scripture knows nothing of such an old-covenant-type Jewish age. That has been reduced to the history books.

What Premillennialists fail to see is: there is no mention of a future period after the second coming in the question, neither is there any intimation of that. There is not even any mention of the second coming, never mind a belief in a thousand-year reign of Christ on a still corrupt earth! No one could derive such a doctrine from this straightforward question. It would have to be taught elsewhere for it to enjoy veracity.

The most that we could take from this is that they may indeed have anticipated the introduction of a parochial, territorial and old-covenant-type physical kingdom. But that is far from a foregone conclusion. We can only, at best, speculate on that. Even if that was their assumption, that in no way proves that it was a legitimate hope. The disciples were often misguided in their expectations and narrow-minded in their tribal aspirations. They frequently saw no further than the borders of Israel. We see that played in the book of Acts, with their reluctance to advance the Gospel to the Gentiles.

It is hard to read the motives and intention of the question. Many times, the disciples were not getting the full meaning of Christ's teaching. He sent His whole ministry correcting and re-directing them. So it could have been a patriotic desire. But Christ's response nails it. That is what is key, not the disciples question. Premils tend to ignore the context and response and just talk about one verse in this narrative. That is because it suits their theology.

Regardless, it doesn’t really matter what the disciples thought, we need to rather ascertain what Christ thought and taught. We should remember: that this question came in the midst of a spiritual discourse about the kingdom of God arriving in power at Pentecost. Christ's reply is key. It is powerful. It is direct. It nails the literalist’s interpretation of this in a carnal earthly sense.

Bible students can speculate all they want as to what was going on in the disciples’ heads. They could debate over whether they were grasping the spiritual thrust of Christ’s teaching about them being part of a spiritual renewal in Israel and further afield, or whether they anticipated the Pharisaical hope of the Messiah overthrowing the Romans and reigning on a physical throne in Jerusalem. Notwithstanding, the most important aspect of this text is not the disciples question, it is Christ’s response.

Whilst it is difficult to understand the thinking of the disciples here, what is clear is what Christ was saying before the question and what Christ said after the question. That is more important than the disciples question. This gives us context to the question. This gives us perspective on what the kingdom really looked like.

Jesus reply to the disciples is telling. He responded: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power (or dunamis), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth” (Acts 1:7-8)

Christ did in no way here ignore or dismiss the disciples’ query about natural Israel, as some would have us believe, rather the contrary, He directly addressed it in His response. In doing so, He reiterated His earlier teaching on the impending spiritual empowerment that would come upon the kingdom, just prior to the disciples’ interjection; only now He geographically confirmed that the spread of that message would embrace the actual nation of Israel (the locations of “Jerusalem,” “Judaea” and “Samaria” being identified). Nonetheless, in His response, He went further, widening out the disciples limited vision, which was still very localised, to encompass “the uttermost part of the earth.”

 

[WPM]

David's throne was never some mystical metaphoric symbol for the heavenlies. It had physical structure with biblical defined boundaries.

2 Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer-sheba.


We will not see the literal fulfillment until the 7th trumpet in Rev 11, where the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Jesus.

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


No mention of David's throne...you are reading that into the text. The throne of David is not the resurrection nor is it in heaven. David was never resurrected yet he sat on a physical throne.

No, it is not "clear" that the Jews were misguided by looking for a physical kingdom. Even the apostles did and if they were in error waiting for it we would have seen it here:

I'll say it again: the old covenant setup in regard to the kings of Israel was an imperfect permissive rule that was pointing to the true heavenly fulfillment in Christ - Israel's real king. The old covenant pointed to the new covenant. The earthly pointed to the heavenly. The temporal pointed to the eternal. The visible pointed to the invisible. The imperfect pointed to the perfect. The type pointed to the anti-type.

It is not talking about a literal physical stone throne. It is long gone. It is talking about the kingship of David - Israel's true kingship. It is talking about Him assuming David's place of authority over true Israel.

That throne was destroyed more than two millennia ago, and there is not the slightest hint in any Scripture that it will be rebuilt.

David's throne (where Christ now sits) was never a literal chair, but a position of power, authority and preeminence over Israel.

 

[WPM]

David's throne was never some mystical metaphoric symbol for the heavenlies. It had physical structure with biblical defined boundaries.

2 Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer-sheba.


We will not see the literal fulfillment until the 7th trumpet in Rev 11, where the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Jesus.

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


No mention of David's throne...you are reading that into the text. The throne of David is not the resurrection nor is it in heaven. David was never resurrected yet he sat on a physical throne.

No, it is not "clear" that the Jews were misguided by looking for a physical kingdom. Even the apostles did and if they were in error waiting for it we would have seen it here:

Ac 1:6-7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This clearly indicates there WILL be a physical restoration of the literal kingdom of Israel.

The Davidic kingship was never a spiritual kingdom. It was a physical one whose boundaries are well documented. Your interpretation is a fused amalgam of over spiritualization.

But is has nothing to do with the actual literal fulfillment of the physical kingdom of Israel. All of the prophecies of the first coming of Christ were literally fulfilled. He was born of an actual virgin...not some mystical symbol for Israel. He was born in literal Bethlehem...not some metaphoric symbol for His birthplace. He actually suffered and died on the cross...not some spiritual symbol for it...and finally, He was actually resurrected from the dead. Just as all of the prophecies of the first coming were literally fulfilled...so will all the prophecies of His second coming. There is no need to spiritualize them with an obsolete eschatological paradigm. Such a view was rendered null and void in May of 1948 when literal Israel once again became a nation.

Premillennialists are always denigrating the current authority and influence of the Lord Jesus Christ and His current reign over all creation from the right hand of majesty on high. They are also constantly elevating the authority and influence of Satan. They need both of these in order to justify their doctrine.

So, I will ask you to answer these important questions:

1. Is Jesus “the express image of his (God’s) person,” who is “upholding all things by the word of his power” (Hebrews 1:2-3)?
2. Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
3. Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
4. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
5. Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” right now (1 Peter 3:22)?
6. Do you believe that Christ is currently "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
7. Is Jesus “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting” (1 Timothy 6:15–16)?
8. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15)?
9. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
10. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27) and that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
11. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18)?
12. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
13. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?
14. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
15. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
16. Do you agree that when it says in Hebrews 2:8 “For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him” that this plainly speaking about everyone who is living or has ever lived, albeit, there are enemies still being born right up until the second coming that will be placed under His feet?

If you answer these honestly and rightly: what more power and authority does Jesus need over His enemies to prove to Premils that He is truly reigning over all them now? What type of spiritual reality do they live in?

Is what you have been taught more important than what the Bible teaches?

 

[Scott Downey]

God does not rebuild David's throne

God rebuilds the tabernacle of David, not the temple of Solomon.
That tabernacle was a place or praises and worship to God
Not of rulership over nations and an earthly throne room.

If you are looking for that, then the man of Sin can give it to you when he sits in the temple before the return of Christ and proclaims himself god, and Christ will destroy both it and him at His appearing in fire.

Acts 15

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

God said, This is my resting place forever; here I will dwell, for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:13-14)

 

[PinSeeker]

...the earth that now is will be destroyed, and God creates a new earth.

Destroyed in what sense, Scott? Certainly not in the sense of annihilation. As God says, "Behold, I am making all things new" (Revelation 21:5). He is not making new things.

You seem to not agree with God creating a new earth, like the earth gets a makeover....

And in a sense, at least, he's correct. It will be renewed. The earth will be "recreated" only in the sense that all the effects of the Fall will be removed, and it will once again be "very good" as God proclaimed it in Genesis 1... restored to its very-good, unfallen state... and remain that way for eternity. For now, though, as Paul says in Romans 8:22-23, the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now, and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies, which is what will happen when Jesus returns.

Rev 20
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The "fire coming down out of heaven," Scott, is Jesus in His return.

Note: Just as the "angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain... (Who) seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended" (Revelation 20:1-3) was Jesus in His first coming two millennia ago.​

And He (Jesus... God) will "devour" them, in the sense that "our God is a consuming fire" (Hebrews 12:29), and they ~ they, Scott... Satan and his minions, not the earth ~ will be brought to nothing, absolutely defeated and thus ruined, and in that sense destroyed ~ and then banished forever from the earth... actually the new heaven and new earth. The "lake of fire and brimstone" where they will then be (yes, "forever and ever") is symbolic of God's perfect, holy, all-encompassing... even absolutely submersive; they will be totally submersed in His... judgment. And their torment (which they will endure forever and ever) will be in and of themselves, in the absolute loss of any hope of redemption or relief. What we "see," as John does, in his Revelation visions, are these graphic images that are symbolic of... and indicative of... these greater truths.

Rev 21:5

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.​

Yeah, again, He's not making new things, Scott, He's making all things new.

Grace and peace to you.