The Great Tribulation Began in 70AD and Continues to This Very Day

[Truth7t7]

I don’t know much about what he believes but why in the world is it wrong to believe 70 weeks when that’s exactly what the Bible says it is?

Yes your correct Rob, if Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years) its that simple, but he didn't because it's seventy literal future weeks

 

[Truth7t7]

It’s set up as an equation: 1 day = 1000 years.

We already know the time span being described is 1 day. The next step is to determine what the 1000 represents in the Bible.

The simple interpretation is exactly as the scripture teaches below, one day is a thousand years to the Lord and a thousand years is one day

The Lord God is outside of time, he's "ETERNAL"

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[soberxp]

The simple interpretation is exactly as the scripture teaches below, one day is a thousand years to the Lord and a thousand years is one day

The Lord God is outside of time, he's "ETERNAL"

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So have you ever considered the question, a thousand years, maybe just one day, for example, Satan is bound for a thousand years, For example, a thousand years with Christ may be just one day.

 

[Truth7t7]

So have you ever considered the question, a thousand years, maybe just one day, for example, Satan is bound for a thousand years, For example, a thousand years with Christ may be just one day.

Have you ever considered that "one day is a thousand years with the Lord" as being a figure of speech in showing that the Lord God is eternal and outside of literal earthly time?

 

[soberxp]

I am not sure when the Great Tribulation began, but it must have begun in that abominable desolation, and it continues to this very day,
The abominable desolation has been pressing on the "woman" until now.
I don't think it's just a single event, it's the root and nature of a series of problems.

 

[soberxp]

Have you ever considered that "one day is a thousand years with the Lord" as being a figure of speech in showing that the Lord God is eternal and outside of literal earthly time?

No,
I see it as "a thousand years is one day."
In this way, many things are easy to understand and explain.

 

[Truth7t7]

: the abomination of desolation set up in the holy place of the 2nd temple by Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" in 167 BC

Your claim that Daniel's AOD seen below was fulfilled in 167BC is "Laughable" fairy tales and fantasy

As if Matthew below is going to warn the church on a event that had taken place 200+ years prior to his writing, this takes the "Cake" Real Big Smiles!!!

Matthew 24:15-17KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

 

[Truth7t7]

I am not sure when the Great Tribulation began, but it must have begun in that abominable desolation, and it continues to this very day,
The abominable desolation has been pressing on the "woman" until now.
I don't think it's just a single event, it's the root and nature of a series of problems.

The great tribulation is a future event unfulfilled, it will start when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah God to the Jews in Jerusalem

It will surpass the devastation of World War II as scripture teaches no trouble greater (no, nor ever shall be) so bad that human man is on the cliff of dying, but for God's elect the days will be shortened

I live in California, no great tribulation is taking place here, people are driving around in expensive cars and eating prime rib and lobster tails, drinking $1,000 bottles of champagne

Matthew 24:21-22KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't know if you are correct that that is what is meant by seas in that particular context. Maybe you are correct, maybe you are not. I simply don't know either way. Yet one thing that it is clear though, literal seas couldn't possibly be meant.

Isaiah 65:17-20KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes your correct Rob, if Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years) its that simple, but he didn't because it's seventy literal future weeks

I agree, it’s literal weeks but I say it was 70 literal weeks that started when Jesus ministry started and ended at Pentecost.

 

[IndianaRob]

The simple interpretation is exactly as the scripture teaches below, one day is a thousand years to the Lord and a thousand years is one day

The Lord God is outside of time, he's "ETERNAL"

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is outside of time, and the ‘thousand years’ in Scripture is not a literal measure of time any more than ‘the cattle on a thousand hills’ is a literal count of hills.

‘Thousand’ in the Bible represents God’s ownership and presence.”

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree, it’s literal weeks but I say it was 70 literal weeks that started when Jesus ministry started and ended at Pentecost.

OK we disagree, you will closely note that building the wall and street is closely associated with the 70 week timeline?

I strongly believe it will be future Judaism's Messiah hysteria regarding the preparation of their coming Messiah, yes I believe this will be the
(Man Of Sin) (The Beast) claiming to be Messiah God to the Jews in Jerusalem

I believe Judaism in Jerusalem will push for the temple mount under Muslim control presently, and these Muslims will be the future armies that surround Jerusalem regarding their cherished holy site at the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem bringing the fulfillment of the gentiles Luke 21:20, Revelation 11:2

The 70 week timeline surrounds building a wall and street in Jerusalem to Messiah as seen below, I believe it's seen in a "Future" Jerusalem

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

[soberxp]

OK we disagree, you will closely note that building the wall and street is closely associated with the 70 week timeline?

I strongly believe it will be future Messiah hysteria regarding the preparation of their coming Messiah, yes this will be the
(Man Of Sin) (The Beast) claiming to be Messiah God to the Jews

I believe Judaism in Jerusalem will push for the temple mount under Muslim control presently, and these Muslims will be the future armies that surround Jerusalem regarding their cherished holy site at the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem bringing the fulfillment of the gentiles Luke 21:20, Revelation 11:2

The 70 week timeline surrounds building a wall and street in Jerusalem to Messiah as seen below, I believe it's seen in a "Future" Jerusalem

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

I even wonder if the Jews still believe in the coming of their Messiah? And what does the Messiah mean to them? The Bible says that things may not always go according to the prophecy.

 

[Truth7t7]

I even wonder if the Jews still believe in the coming of their Messiah? And what does the Messiah mean to them? The Bible says that things may not always go according to the prophecy.

I Strongly Disagree

Every Prophetical Word Of God Will Be Fulfilled, Down To The Jot And Tittle

 

[soberxp]

I Strongly Disagree

Every Prophetical Word Of God Will Be Fulfilled, Down To The Jot And Tittle

22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Truth7t7]

22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I'm full aware of the scripture presented, your point?

 

[Zao is life]

Satan Is Presently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained?

But you said the 1,000 years symbolically represents the Lord's ETERNAL realm.

But you contradict yourself, implying that the Lord's ETERNAL realm has a beginning - which according to you, was in the 1st century - and an end - which according to you, is when Satan will be released from prison, - and then the Lord's eternal realm (symbolized by 1,000 years, according to you) will be followed by - what - by another eternal realm?

I agree. The New Heavens and New Earth + the 1,000 years are metaphors for the Lord's ETERNAL realm

- which the New Testament calls the ages of the ages -

and Satan will be bound for the first 1,000 years of it

- but just as he was allowed to deceive Adam and Eve in paradise the first time, so he will be given one final opportunity after being released at the close of that first 1,000 years to deceive the nations again - just as Revelation 20 tells us - before you go and change it, corrupting what scripture says.

 

[Zao is life]

Your claim that Daniel's AOD seen below was fulfilled in 167BC is "Laughable" fairy tales and fantasy

As if Matthew below is going to warn the church on a event that had taken place 200+ years prior to his writing, this takes the "Cake" Real Big Smiles!!!

Matthew 24:15-17KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

If you do not understand types and antitypes, then you do not understand biblical scripture, and never will.

If you do not understand both types and antitypes and how Jesus - and all the Jews of Jesus's day - understood how the prophets (and hence Jesus) often referred to prophecy fulfilled in history as prophecy of what is to come, then you will never understand biblical scripture.

It seems that you do not allow the Holy Spirit to help you to think with the mindset of the authors of scripture when you read scripture. You do it all your way.

 

[Truth7t7]

But you said the 1,000 years symbolically represents the Lord's ETERNAL realm.

But you contradict yourself, implying that the Lord's ETERNAL realm has a beginning - which according to you, was in the 1st century - and an end - which according to you, is when Satan will be released from prison, - and then the Lord's eternal realm (symbolized by 1,000 years, according to you) will be followed by - what - by another eternal realm?

I agree. The New Heavens and New Earth + the 1,000 years are metaphors for the Lord's ETERNAL realm

- which the New Testament calls the ages of the ages -

and Satan will be bound for the first 1,000 years of it

- but just as he was allowed to deceive Adam and Eve in paradise the first time, so he will be given one final opportunity after being released at the close of that first 1,000 years to deceive the nations again - just as Revelation 20 tells us - before you go and change it, corrupting what scripture says.

Don't respond

 

[Zao is life]

Don't respond

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