Learning about Orthodoxy

[amigo de christo]

i just noticed a grammatical error on my post #216

It has been corrected = please review

The odor of mankinds indoctrination is strong upon many now .
As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD .
You would marvel at such delusion my friend .
Long ago and in a time before twitter , back as far as two thousand and eight
me and an Sda person had entered into dialgoue .
And he worked at dominoes pizza . Which sold pizzas of all sorts .
NOW watch the hyprocrisy david and then watch the even greater flat out acceptance of sin .
For he told me they do not eat meats . To which i never argued with him about that .
But i did think within myself , you eat not meats but you work at a shop of pizza and help prepare the very meats
ye do not eat and give unto others . NOW that i kept silent and to myself .
BUT GO to and you will behold far greater sin .
I had told him about me not being remarried , due to i was married once
and had even committed forniation against my wife .
And would not marry another but would remain single .
TO WHICH , NOW WOE WOE WOE for THIS IS ACTUAL SIN HE DEFENDS ,
he next said < hey friend you can be remarried , GOD GIVETH GRACE , it is also written it is not good for the man to be alone .
DID YOU CATCH THAT DAVID . TO HIM ITS SIN if any dares eats meats
BUT OKAY TO COMMIT ADULTERY . they are LOST david . LOST .;

 

[amigo de christo]

i just noticed a grammatical error on my post #216

It has been corrected = please review

Now when you read what i wrote afore i want you to ponder on something .
The man may as well say HOW dare thee you wicked man go to church on sunday , how dare thee eat meats ,
BUT FRIEND YOU ARE FREE TO COMMIT ADULTERY IN JESUS NAME .
the meats drinks and days are NOT SIN and YET THEY ACT AS IF THEY ARE
and YET ADULTERY WHICH I KNOW IS SIN , OH THAT IS OKAY TO PRATICE .
you would marvel at how many are totally blind david . And they condmen others who are NOT GUILTY
because of meats , drinks and days and give free passes TO SIN . aint that something .

 

[David in NJ]

The odor of mankinds indoctrination is strong upon many now .
As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD .
You would marvel at such delusion my friend .
Long ago and in a time before twitter , back as far as two thousand and eight
me and an Sda person had entered into dialgoue .
And he worked at dominoes pizza . Which sold pizzas of all sorts .
NOW watch the hyprocrisy david and then watch the even greater flat out acceptance of sin .
For he told me they do not eat meats . To which i never argued with him about that .
But i did think within myself , you eat not meats but you work at a shop of pizza and help prepare the very meats
ye do not eat and give unto others . NOW that i kept silent and to myself .
BUT GO to and you will behold far greater sin .
I had told him about me not being remarried , due to i was married once
and had even committed forniation against my wife .
And would not marry another but would remain single .
TO WHICH , NOW WOE WOE WOE for THIS IS ACTUAL SIN HE DEFENDS ,
he next said < hey friend you can be remarried , GOD GIVETH GRACE , it is also written it is not good for the man to be alone .
DID YOU CATCH THAT DAVID . TO HIM ITS SIN if any dares eats meats
BUT OKAY TO COMMIT ADULTERY . they are LOST david . LOST .;

You would marvel at such delusion my friend

i DO marvel at how 'christians' , with open bibles, who devalue the words of Christ in favor of the words of men!!!
For a long time now!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

i DO marvel at how 'christians' , with open bibles, who devalue the words of Christ in favor of the words of men!!!
For a long time now!!!

OH yes my friend many have and many do Trod the words of Christ under foot in favor of the words and love of men .
BUT NOT THE SHEEP .
NO SIR , NOT THE SHEEP . they will die before they sit at the table of compromise . faithful unto death and they loved not and love not
their lives . BLOOD is coming and it will come down as a great flood upon the sheep who did not conform .
THE TRIBULATION HOUR WILLL BE GREAT .
but fear not man , compromise not one word of THE LORD .
No matter what they say or how they threaten
No matter how they try and persaude us to come and sit at the table of compromise , of belial , of intefaith of anti christ .
The sheep shall say as one, NO DEAL we dont sit at any table that compromises ONE WORD OF OUR GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

And he made war against the saints .
Power was given him over all tribes , nations and peoples .
And he give life unto the image so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause that as many would
not worship the beast to be killed .
And he causes all , DIGITAL SYSTEM ran by AI , that can produce ANY IMAGE that can speak ,
To recieve a mark and those who do not recieve it , do NOT CONFORM
will be unable to buy or sell . SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMETH and EVEN NOW IT IS IN THE WORLD and has made
ready this people unto a peoples of one mind , one heart and they shall give their power and worship UNTO it .
THE HOUR of upmost betrayal , the Hour of the greatest tribulation that has been , IS AT THE DOOR
and many sheep will be betrayed and killed .

 

[amigo de christo]

i DO marvel at how 'christians' , with open bibles, who devalue the words of Christ in favor of the words of men!!!
For a long time now!!!

We cannot be as the many my friend .
For the many beleive they will see no persecution , no tribulation
But what i say to one i say to all
IN THIS WORLD YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION
NOW be faithful EVEN UNTO DEATH . we were never promised this world would love us
or that we would have a free ride OUT OF ANY TRIBULATION .
BE PREPARED TO LOSE ALL
DO NOT CONFORM , DO NOT SELL OUT , DO NOT FEAR MAN or what he can do .
Be faithful unto death . MANY will bleed in this last hour . Be faithful UNTO death , CLING TO CHRIST and speak the truth .

 

[David in NJ]

And he made war against the saints .
Power was given him over all tribes , nations and peoples .
And he give life unto the image so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause that as many would
not worship the beast to be killed .
And he causes all , DIGITAL SYSTEM ran by AI , that can produce ANY IMAGE that can speak ,
To recieve a mark and those who do not recieve it , do NOT CONFORM
will be unable to buy or sell . SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMETH and EVEN NOW IT IS IN THE WORLD and has made
ready this people unto a peoples of one mind , one heart and they shall give their power and worship UNTO it .
THE HOUR of upmost betrayal , the Hour of the greatest tribulation that has been , IS AT THE DOOR
and many sheep will be betrayed and killed .

Current 'Digital System' for buying & selling was/is began in CHINA.
Many US Politicians have been bought out by CHINA

What animal, symbolically, did God display in Revelation??? = a Great RED Dragon

The Great RED Dragon is where many of our products that we 'buy & sell' come from.

AMAZON is part of the Great Red Dragon = AMAZON has the digital hand scanners in place in many stores including Home Depot

 

[Marvelloustime]

Now when you read what i wrote afore i want you to ponder on something .
The man may as well say HOW dare thee you wicked man go to church on sunday , how dare thee eat meats ,
BUT FRIEND YOU ARE FREE TO COMMIT ADULTERY IN JESUS NAME .
the meats drinks and days are NOT SIN and YET THEY ACT AS IF THEY ARE
and YET ADULTERY WHICH I KNOW IS SIN , OH THAT IS OKAY TO PRATICE .
you would marvel at how many are totally blind david . And they condmen others who are NOT GUILTY
because of meats , drinks and days and give free passes TO SIN . aint that something .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

And he made war against the saints .
Power was given him over all tribes , nations and peoples .
And he give life unto the image so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause that as many would
not worship the beast to be killed .
And he causes all , DIGITAL SYSTEM ran by AI , that can produce ANY IMAGE that can speak ,
To recieve a mark and those who do not recieve it , do NOT CONFORM
will be unable to buy or sell . SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMETH and EVEN NOW IT IS IN THE WORLD and has made
ready this people unto a peoples of one mind , one heart and they shall give their power and worship UNTO it .
THE HOUR of upmost betrayal , the Hour of the greatest tribulation that has been , IS AT THE DOOR
and many sheep will be betrayed and killed .

@amigo de christo

 

[Brakelite]

#1 - God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses/Israel = they all died in the wilderness

#2- No one has ever been able to Fulfill the 10 commandments except for One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

#3 - We are SAVED by the Blood of Christ

#4 - The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Guide in obeying God whereby we live in Christ who is the BEARER of the 10 Commandments

#5 - You are not able to please God thru saturday observance

#6 - Neither the LORD nor the Apostles ever commanded saturday observance as a "must do"

#7 - The 7th Day is CHRIST = HE is to be HOLY to you ABOVE all things as HE is the LORD of the sabbath
Nothing has been made to be more holy then CHRIST

HE is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Say it 7 times = in all things the Lord Jesus Christ may have the preeminence.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.

1 - God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses/Israel = they all died in the wilderness

Your point being....

#2- No one has ever been able to Fulfill the 10 commandments except for One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

Not sure why you are so fixated on that word 'fulfil'. One cannot express his love for Jesus by fulfilling anything. By obeying His commandments, yep. That's what He asks is to do. In response to His asking you to obey Him, do you say, " Lord, Lord, I can do all manner of stuff in your name, but Lord, no-one can obey your commandments".

#3 - We are SAVED by the Blood of Christ

Indeed. Does that absolve anyone from obedience?

#4 - The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Guide in obeying God whereby we live in Christ who is the BEARER of the 10 Commandments

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Yes, the holy Spirit writes the law on our hearts. We are filled with the Spirit of God who is love, and love is the fulfilling of the law. I have no idea what you mean by Christ being the bearer of the ten commandments.

#5 - You are not able to please God thru saturday observance

You don't think God is pleased when His redeemed children forsake sin and obey Him?

6 - Neither the LORD nor the Apostles ever commanded saturday observance as a "must do"

As I said above. Why should they? Why would any of the commandments need to be repeated by the apostles?

#7 - The 7th Day is CHRIST = HE is to be HOLY to you ABOVE all things as HE is the LORD of the sabbath
Nothing has been made to be more holy then CHRIST

Word games. Yes He is the Lord of the Sabbath. The question I would ask, is He Lord of you?

 

[Brakelite]

The odor of mankinds indoctrination is strong upon many now .
As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD .
You would marvel at such delusion my friend .
Long ago and in a time before twitter , back as far as two thousand and eight
me and an Sda person had entered into dialgoue .
And he worked at dominoes pizza . Which sold pizzas of all sorts .
NOW watch the hyprocrisy david and then watch the even greater flat out acceptance of sin .
For he told me they do not eat meats . To which i never argued with him about that .
But i did think within myself , you eat not meats but you work at a shop of pizza and help prepare the very meats
ye do not eat and give unto others . NOW that i kept silent and to myself .
BUT GO to and you will behold far greater sin .
I had told him about me not being remarried , due to i was married once
and had even committed forniation against my wife .
And would not marry another but would remain single .
TO WHICH , NOW WOE WOE WOE for THIS IS ACTUAL SIN HE DEFENDS ,
he next said < hey friend you can be remarried , GOD GIVETH GRACE , it is also written it is not good for the man to be alone .
DID YOU CATCH THAT DAVID . TO HIM ITS SIN if any dares eats meats
BUT OKAY TO COMMIT ADULTERY . they are LOST david . LOST .;

As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD .

me and an Sda person

they are LOST

Is this kind of rabid generalisation and condemnation on an entire church community on the basis of the testimony of one pizza worker even allowed on this forum?

 

[amigo de christo]

As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD .

me and an Sda person

they are LOST

Is this kind of rabid generalisation and condemnation on an entire church community on the basis of the testimony of one pizza worker even allowed on this forum?

Sorry friend but i have long told you about the deadly dangers of investigative judgment .
Sure i know not all SDA would have probably answered me that way about the remarriage thing .
But it was a point to show this direct attack on peoples meats drinks and days , Which is not sin
and yet he would have allowed REAL SIN upon me , HAD i beleived the lie .
My main problem with the SDA has always been this date setter and this ellen white
who rather than repenting of date setting INVENTED this assumption.
Proof something was dead wrong within her from the get go .
I am sure there are probably other things i could spy about her that was error .
BUT the investigative judgment was a massive NO no .
Miller was simply a man setting a date , DO take note HE MISSED IT TWICE .
So which date was the so called right date investigative judgment so called began .
HE SET the date TWICE brakelite . TWICE .
She used one of those dates . But what about the other date he missed .
Exactly braklite . HE missed the date , CAUSE HE was a DATE SETTER . BIG NO NO . Ought never once be taught or even heeded .

 

[Brakelite]

Sorry friend but i have long told you about the deadly dangers of investigative judgment

You have. Except that not once, other than repeating about date setting, have you explained why the investigative judgement is wrong. Post 200.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have. Except that not once, other than repeating about date setting, have you explained why the investigative judgement is wrong. Post 200.

l have , but you have not heard me .
WHEN MILLER first set a date , that was the exact moment he should have been rebuked
and if he had not heard , HE should have been fled from and never once heeded .
THE man set a date my friend . That right there should have been all that was needed to have realized SOMETHING was
totally dead wrong . BUT it wasnt . for he had ellen and others still sitting under him .
SO then the first date he set cometh and NOTHING
BUT THEN HE GOES right back to the drawing board to do as others also have done in his shoes ,
SET ANOTHER DATE . Proving no repentance but rather he was still under a heavy and a massive delusion .
So the second date came and again NOTHING but what is known as the big disapointment .
BUT IT DID NOT end there my friend . ELLEN could not let it go
Rather than admitting the man , which she obviously put BEFORE GOD , was wrong
she was decieved herself into beleiving in a lie , an idea that it was not the date that was wrong but the location .
GUESS SHE FORGOT HE SET THE DATE TWICE . anyway
THERE IT IS . IF i came selling you the idea JESUS IS GOING TO RETURN on SEPT TENTH
are YOU GONNA BUY IT . I SURE HOPE NOT .
So then sept tenth comes and another comes along and says OL AIMGO had the date right
BUT .................
YOU GONNA BUY THAT line . I SURE HOPE NOT . SO WHY BUY INTO INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT .
You all were lied too my friend . And i know they used certain dates
BY WHICH TO BUILD ON THIS INVESITAGIVE JUDGMENT and by which TO TWIST SCRIPS yet again to teach a lie .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Sorry friend but i have long told you about the deadly dangers of investigative judgment .
Sure i know not all SDA would have probably answered me that way about the remarriage thing .
But it was a point to show this direct attack on peoples meats drinks and days , Which is not sin
and yet he would have allowed REAL SIN upon me , HAD i beleived the lie .
My main problem with the SDA has always been this date setter and this ellen white
who rather than repenting of date setting INVENTED this assumption.
Proof something was dead wrong within her from the get go .
I am sure there are probably other things i could spy about her that was error .
BUT the investigative judgment was a massive NO no .
Miller was simply a man setting a date , DO take note HE MISSED IT TWICE .
So which date was the so called right date investigative judgment so called began .
HE SET the date TWICE brakelite . TWICE .
She used one of those dates . But what about the other date he missed .
Exactly braklite . HE missed the date , CAUSE HE was a DATE SETTER . BIG NO NO . Ought never once be taught or even heeded .

@amigo de christo

 

[Pavel Mosko]

We have spent time considering the Orthodox faith.

It may not be in the plan to join the Orthodox church. Its a beautiful tradition but we're running into obstacles that we can't easily dismiss.

That's OK. I was probably more sold on Orthodoxy than you were in the late 90s and I think it took me maybe 15 years do to various life issues. There are various midway alternatives in Anglicanism / Episcopalianism that can strike a balance between Protestant sentiments and Ancient Christianity. There are a number of smaller Church bodies that have formed over the years in the US and around the world. The Charismatic Episcopal Church is the one I got the most experience with and it is one you might want to consider. The biggest drawback is it's availability. There is probably only 25%-33% chance it is in your immediate area of a one hour drive or less. Besides that, I also did very well with ECUSA in the 90s. That denomination is usually horribly liberal but there are some areas that are theologically conservative, and I was lucky to be in one AKA the diocese of San Juaquin.

 

[Brakelite]

WHEN MILLER first set a date , that was the exact moment he should have been rebuked

And that's the thing. William Miller did not set the date. Daniel 8:14 set the date. Miller just happened to find it, and he rang the first.
“And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. ”
Daniel 8:14 KJV

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William Miller, along with numerous others throughout the world, was prompted by the holy Spirit to study prophecy as a part of God's Great Awakening in the early 19th century, which ushered in the final days. (Which can also be proved from prophecy). Miller wasn't alone to discover that prophecy, and subsequently Daniel and Revelation revealed that the last days were literally on the doorstep. Those wasn't new. The reformers taught this. Men like Newton, Wesley and many others knew that the events that were to usher in the second coming were close.
In fact, this was God's warning to the world. Time is short. The judgement is coming. Prepare to meet Christ because he's coming back. Soon.
In order to determine the starting point of the cleansing of the sanctuary, which many believed to be the earth and it's cleansing by fire at the second coming, Miller studied other sections of prophecy, and particularly...

“24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. ”
Daniel 9:24-26 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

Careful and prayerful study brought Miller to October 1844. The obvious conclusion for him, Jesus is coming in 1844. Considering other prophetic fulfilments that had taken place in the previous few decades, made the case stronger.
If you have an argument against Miller's conclusion, that's fine. No-one will disagree with you, Jesus didn't come back in 1844. Obviously. But take care when criticising him for the date. The event was wrong sure, but the date? No-one at that time could prove him wrong. And none today can do better. All you have to do is figure out what the event was.
What those early Adventists discovered, those who refused to let go of what they knew to be a leading of the holy Spirit, and after entire nights in prayer, fasting, and the study of scripture, (Adventists do not get their doctrines from corn flakes packets) they found our High Priest moving from the holy place to the most holy place in the antitypical heavenly enactment of the day of atonement, when the high priest entered the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary, portrayed as a time of judgement and a cleansing of God's people through repentance and sanctification by many Hebrew scholars throughout the centuries.
Read the OT, particularly as it pertains to the sanctuary and it's services, and you will learn much concerning the character and actions of our God today, and about what is taking place in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf. I remember you once said you understood the Adventist teachings regarding this matter. I just hope you learned it from those who did understand it, and not from those who are ignorant of the teaching and criticise it without knowledge. Your constant harping and criticism tells me that you only took notice of the latter.

I just had a thought concerning the Sabbath and the 4th commandment. Achan stole a Babylonian garment from Jericho. He was destroyed because of it. Clothing throughout scripture is a metaphor for righteousness. We are told to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ. That righteousness is a gift, which comes to us by faith through the sanctification of the holy Spirit through God's word.
Like Joshua the High Priest in Zechariah. Clothed by the Angel. In Psalms we are told that all God's commandments are righteousness. What was the man wearing to the wedding feast, and why was he thrown out? Connect the dots. Whose garment are you wearing in rejecting the Lord's Sabbath? Whose authority are you surrendered to? Where is the "thus sayeth the Lord" in defence of your theories and beliefs? Adventists have Exodus 20 and the numerous overwhelming support of scripture, Christ's and the apostles' examples, and Christian history that cries aloud the sacredness of the Lord's Day, the Sabbath of the 4th commandment which Jesus declared would never change, not even if heaven and earth should pass away. Jesus said, "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness...". Not ours, not the world's. God has set the only benchmark for righteousness, and written out on the fleshly tables of the hearts and minds of those surrendered to His will.
Ellen White is not my authority in spiritual or religious matters. Nor is David in New Jersey, nor is Amigo in Texas. Nor is the pope in Rome, the local Pentecostal televangelist, or the president of the SDA general conference. The only true authority for doctrine, faith, and practise is scripture. Scripture is our only safeguard. As Ellen White said herself, and which you would be a hypocrite to disagree with,
But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,—not one or all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain “Thus saith the Lord” in its support. GC88 595.1

 

[shepherdsword]

If Jesus was speaking of his literal body then he was promoting cannibalism. The truth is...He clearly told us that the flesh profits nothing when questioned if he was speaking literally.

Jn 6:60-63 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I offer a challenge. If the "priest" can summon down Christ from heaven into a little wafer...give us a DNA sample. If it is real flesh that should be easy.

 

[amigo de christo]

And that's the thing. William Miller did not set the date. Daniel 8:14 set the date. Miller just happened to find it, and he rang the first.
“And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. ”
Daniel 8:14 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

William Miller, along with numerous others throughout the world, was prompted by the holy Spirit to study prophecy as a part of God's Great Awakening in the early 19th century, which ushered in the final days. (Which can also be proved from prophecy). Miller wasn't alone to discover that prophecy, and subsequently Daniel and Revelation revealed that the last days were literally on the doorstep. Those wasn't new. The reformers taught this. Men like Newton, Wesley and many others knew that the events that were to usher in the second coming were close.
In fact, this was God's warning to the world. Time is short. The judgement is coming. Prepare to meet Christ because he's coming back. Soon.
In order to determine the starting point of the cleansing of the sanctuary, which many believed to be the earth and it's cleansing by fire at the second coming, Miller studied other sections of prophecy, and particularly...

“24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. ”
Daniel 9:24-26 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

Careful and prayerful study brought Miller to October 1844. The obvious conclusion for him, Jesus is coming in 1844. Considering other prophetic fulfilments that had taken place in the previous few decades, made the case stronger.
If you have an argument against Miller's conclusion, that's fine. No-one will disagree with you, Jesus didn't come back in 1844. Obviously. But take care when criticising him for the date. The event was wrong sure, but the date? No-one at that time could prove him wrong. And none today can do better. All you have to do is figure out what the event was.
What those early Adventists discovered, those who refused to let go of what they knew to be a leading of the holy Spirit, and after entire nights in prayer, fasting, and the study of scripture, (Adventists do not get their doctrines from corn flakes packets) they found our High Priest moving from the holy place to the most holy place in the antitypical heavenly enactment of the day of atonement, when the high priest entered the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary, portrayed as a time of judgement and a cleansing of God's people through repentance and sanctification by many Hebrew scholars throughout the centuries.
Read the OT, particularly as it pertains to the sanctuary and it's services, and you will learn much concerning the character and actions of our God today, and about what is taking place in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf. I remember you once said you understood the Adventist teachings regarding this matter. I just hope you learned it from those who did understand it, and not from those who are ignorant of the teaching and criticise it without knowledge. Your constant harping and criticism tells me that you only took notice of the latter.

I just had a thought concerning the Sabbath and the 4th commandment. Achan stole a Babylonian garment from Jericho. He was destroyed because of it. Clothing throughout scripture is a metaphor for righteousness. We are told to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ. That righteousness is a gift, which comes to us by faith through the sanctification of the holy Spirit through God's word.
Like Joshua the High Priest in Zechariah. Clothed by the Angel. In Psalms we are told that all God's commandments are righteousness. What was the man wearing to the wedding feast, and why was he thrown out? Connect the dots. Whose garment are you wearing in rejecting the Lord's Sabbath? Whose authority are you surrendered to? Where is the "thus sayeth the Lord" in defence of your theories and beliefs? Adventists have Exodus 20 and the numerous overwhelming support of scripture, Christ's and the apostles' examples, and Christian history that cries aloud the sacredness of the Lord's Day, the Sabbath of the 4th commandment which Jesus declared would never change, not even if heaven and earth should pass away. Jesus said, "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness...". Not ours, not the world's. God has set the only benchmark for righteousness, and written out on the fleshly tables of the hearts and minds of those surrendered to His will.
Ellen White is not my authority in spiritual or religious matters. Nor is David in New Jersey, nor is Amigo in Texas. Nor is the pope in Rome, the local Pentecostal televangelist, or the president of the SDA general conference. The only true authority for doctrine, faith, and practise is scripture. Scripture is our only safeguard. As Ellen White said herself, and which you would be a hypocrite to disagree with,
But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,—not one or all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain “Thus saith the Lord” in its support. GC88 595.1

sorry brakelite but this sheep aint buying it .

 

[LoveYeshua]

We have spent time considering the Orthodox faith.

It may not be in the plan to join the Orthodox church. Its a beautiful tradition but we're running into obstacles that we can't easily dismiss.

I considered it too at one point, but none in my area. still looking for a church that follows the teachings of Christ, still church-less, I consider this forum my church for now. indeed the orthodox church have beautiful traditions.