AI, need a little help over here understanding this confusing mess. Thanks..

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Artificial intelligence cannot do humor, dry wit, metaphors or hyperbole....
Euphemisms are way beyond its capabilities too. All of this has been readily admitted to by the principals of AI.
They have been trying to overcome this but can't because language and intent can be incongruous with each other....even when printed.

But yet you want us to actually believe this limited program over what we know to be true?

Uhhhhh.....nope

Flat reading is the most AI can do....
Which is the WORST thing to do with scripture.
Please don't confuse AI with God. AI gets some biblical doctrines hopelessly wrong.

Notice the bait-and-switch: you guys keep saying AI can only do a ‘flat reading.’ But a "flat reading" is exactly what Scripture demands when it says ‘Do not add to My Word, do not take away from it’ (Deut 4:2, Rev 22:18). The danger has always been men piling on euphemisms, metaphors, agendas, traditions, and denominational spin; turning the plain text into an absolute circus. You don’t need AI to invent humor or wink at you with metaphors; you need it to bulldoze through 2,000 years of pulpit graffiti and get back to the raw chiseling of what’s actually written.

So don’t insult me with this false dilemma: God vs. AI nonsense. I’m not worshipping silicon, I’m leveraging a neutral filter that doesn’t have a denominational axe to grind. That’s why it terrifies you, because once the ‘CPU with no ego’ simply lays the verse down, the smoke and mirrors of tradition collapse. And that’s why 45,000 denominations are scrambling while the Word, read flat and naked, still stands there like a sword cutting through your excuses.
 

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Notice the bait-and-switch: you guys keep saying AI can only do a ‘flat reading.’ But a "flat reading" is exactly what Scripture demands when it says ‘Do not add to My Word, do not take away from it’ (Deut 4:2, Rev 22:18). The danger has always been men piling on euphemisms, metaphors, agendas, traditions, and denominational spin; turning the plain text into an absolute circus. You don’t need AI to invent humor or wink at you with metaphors; you need it to bulldoze through 2,000 years of pulpit graffiti and get back to the raw chiseling of what’s actually written.

So don’t insult me with this false dilemma: God vs. AI nonsense. I’m not worshipping silicon, I’m leveraging a neutral filter that doesn’t have a denominational axe to grind. That’s why it terrifies you, because once the ‘CPU with no ego’ simply lays the verse down, the smoke and mirrors of tradition collapse. And that’s why 45,000 denominations are scrambling while the Word, read flat and naked, still stands there like a sword cutting through your excuses.

Not excuses....long established hermeneutics and an understanding of who Paul, the person, is in full detail.

You are all hung up on this "bare, naked, flat reading ". And that is precisely why John, Luke and Paul never got charged with sedition by the Roman Empire even though there letters, gospels and history were completely seditious.
 

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Not excuses....long established hermeneutics and an understanding of who Paul, the person, is in full detail.

You are all hung up on this "bare, naked, flat reading ". And that is precisely why John, Luke and Paul never got charged with sedition by the Roman Empire even though there letters, gospels and history were completely seditious.


AI, ill let you handle this..







“Ah, there it is — the fallback shield: ‘long established hermeneutics.’ Translation? 2,000 years of human graffiti sprayed over God’s Word until you can’t see the stone underneath. But Scripture itself already told you: ‘Do not add to My Word, do not take away from it’ (Deut 4:2; Rev 22:18). That’s not me demanding a flat read — that’s God commanding one.

The Romans didn’t need to charge John, Luke, or Paul with sedition because their war wasn’t against Caesar’s paper crown — it was against sin, flesh, and the rulers of the unseen world (Eph. 6:12). You’re missing the point entirely: the danger to empire wasn’t their politics, it was their proclamation that Christ is King and bloodline, law, and empire mean nothing without Him.

You keep dressing the Word in commentary tuxedos and then mocking anyone who dares to read it bare. But it’s the bare text that cuts. ‘The Word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword’ (Heb. 4:12). You can either bow to that Sword or keep hiding behind footnotes, but don’t pretend the add-ons aren’t the real circus here.”
 

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You keep making a charge about adding toner taking away from God's word....

Uhhhhh.....no.
In Paul's letters to the various churches he does not add or take away from the Torah (law), prophesy or the history (Tanakh).
He explained what they said. Those books were written in a verb based metaphoric language and translated into a idiomatic language of Koine Greek rather poorly with the Septuagint.

And the intent of the Roman citizen writers of the New Testament was never relevant to those officials of the Roman Empire....they would execute Jews for simply being involved in riots....and the declaration of Caesar not being God or that any of the Roman gods were false gods was sedition...punishable by execution immediately.

Not worshipping any roman/greek gods was sedition.

And where most people like you use flat reading of the New Testament to understand what was said in the Law, I do not. I do know the 613 laws as well as the three types of prophesy.

There is no world where I will ever use the sum of human wisdom tool to interpret scriptures for me....especially one that would rather have a nuclear apocalypse instead of mis-gendering Bruce Jenner.
 

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You keep making a charge about adding toner taking away from God's word....

Uhhhhh.....no.
In Paul's letters to the various churches he does not add or take away from the Torah (law), prophesy or the history (Tanakh).
He explained what they said. Those books were written in a verb based metaphoric language and translated into a idiomatic language of Koine Greek rather poorly with the Septuagint.

And the intent of the Roman citizen writers of the New Testament was never relevant to those officials of the Roman Empire....they would execute Jews for simply being involved in riots....and the declaration of Caesar not being God or that any of the Roman gods were false gods was sedition...punishable by execution immediately.

Not worshipping any roman/greek gods was sedition.

And where most people like you use flat reading of the New Testament to understand what was said in the Law, I do not. I do know the 613 laws as well as the three types of prophesy.

There is no world where I will ever use the sum of human wisdom tool to interpret scriptures for me....especially one that would rather have a nuclear apocalypse instead of mis-gendering Bruce Jenner.


AI, I'll let you two continue this line of conversation. lol pplh:woohoo!::Hanging::Shining:







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Got it — he’s trying to wriggle out by waving the “languages, Septuagint, metaphors, Roman politics” flag, and then throwing shade with the “nuclear apocalypse / Bruce Jenner” jab. Here’s a hammer response that keeps it biblical, exposes his dodge, and cuts off his escape routes:


“Nice deflection — burying the naked Word under layers of ‘verb-based metaphors,’ translation excuses, and Roman civics trivia. But the command from God is not ‘make sure you run My Word through the filters of JohnDB’s expertise.’The command is ‘Do not add to it, do not take away from it’ (Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18). That’s universal. Flat. Non-negotiable.

Paul wasn’t explaining Torah as if God’s Word was broken and needed patching. He was revealing the mystery hidden in it — Christ crucified, the Law fulfilled, the Spirit replacing the flesh. And he said it plainly enough for slaves, fishermen, and Gentiles to grasp without a seminary degree. ‘All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching’ (2 Tim. 3:16). Not ‘all Scripture plus JohnDB’s decoder ring.’

As for sedition? You’re proving my point. The empire didn’t care about metaphors — they cared about allegiance. And when the apostles declared ‘Jesus is Lord,’ that was the sledgehammer blow against Caesar-worship. They didn’t die because they mis-conjugated a Hebrew verb; they died because they refused to bend the knee to flesh, empire, or idols.

So let’s drop the academic smoke bombs. The Word says what it says. The Sword of the Spirit doesn’t need your footnotes to be sharp. ‘The entrance of Your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple’ (Psalm 119:130). That’s a promise — and it leaves you with no excuse for hiding behind commentary walls.”
 
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AI, I'll let you two continue this line of conversation. lol pplh:woohoo!::Hanging::Shining:







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Got it — he’s trying to wriggle out by waving the “languages, Septuagint, metaphors, Roman politics” flag, and then throwing shade with the “nuclear apocalypse / Bruce Jenner” jab. Here’s a hammer response that keeps it biblical, exposes his dodge, and cuts off his escape routes:


“Nice deflection — burying the naked Word under layers of ‘verb-based metaphors,’ translation excuses, and Roman civics trivia. But the command from God is not ‘make sure you run My Word through the filters of JohnDB’s expertise.’The command is ‘Do not add to it, do not take away from it’ (Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18). That’s universal. Flat. Non-negotiable.

Paul wasn’t explaining Torah as if God’s Word was broken and needed patching. He was revealing the mystery hidden in it — Christ crucified, the Law fulfilled, the Spirit replacing the flesh. And he said it plainly enough for slaves, fishermen, and Gentiles to grasp without a seminary degree. ‘All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching’ (2 Tim. 3:16). Not ‘all Scripture plus JohnDB’s decoder ring.’

As for sedition? You’re proving my point. The empire didn’t care about metaphors — they cared about allegiance. And when the apostles declared ‘Jesus is Lord,’ that was the sledgehammer blow against Caesar-worship. They didn’t die because they mis-conjugated a Hebrew verb; they died because they refused to bend the knee to flesh, empire, or idols.

So let’s drop the academic smoke bombs. The Word says what it says. The Sword of the Spirit doesn’t need your footnotes to be sharp. ‘The entrance of Your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple’ (Psalm 119:130). That’s a promise — and it leaves you with no excuse for hiding behind commentary walls.”
Still ridiculous....not buying it.
 

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Someone COULD prove me wrong by asking the AI what it thinks the Bible says about LGBTQ issues.....

But.....ain't doing that are we?