What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?

[amigo de christo]

Since the 10 horns/toes were shown to be on the 4th beast of Daniel, in the latter stage of its existence, we should follow through with the historical outline of its existence since the beginning of the manifestation of the 4th beast as the Roman Republic, which was in 509 BC. of which then evolved into the Roman Empire in 27 BC.

Today, the 10H 4th beast has evolved into its present manifestation as being Europe and the Roman Catholic church, working in conjunction with the the Image of the 10H Beast (the UN) and the Two horned beast (the USA).
Ultimately, the last manifestation of the 4th beast will be a Global Economic Empire.
The ten toes/horns shall come out of NATO of Europe.

Notice ten toes
then notice later ten kings that rule one hour with the beast .
There is an entity at work my friend . As you probably are quite aware of this yourself .
And as with the jews so too has it come upon christendom .
THERE is no entity like this one that holds such power and influence over the world .
That its very agenda is done by politicians and kings of this world
by now even much of the protestant realm .
And even now the false religoins do her bidding as they too work as one to unify the religoins .
SHE IS THE HARLOT and beleive me she is decked up in wool
has an appearance of a lamb but she speaks dragonese my friend . CHIAWHORE
And we must have no part in her unity
in her ecumincal cry
in her false love to unify . We must flee her intefaith
and we must make our stand in this last and final days upon earth and do all to POINT to CHRIST
and to get this people back into the bible to learn for themselves

 

[amigo de christo]

No we can’t rely on history. History is a lie agreed upon.

That is right my friend . THE WORD OF GOD IS TESTED AND TRUE
men , however can invent and always pave history into how they see and how they beleived it was .
STAY DUG in that bible my friend . Many are the haters of those who wont budge from them pages .
Cause the sheep can expose them by THE TRUTH and they no likey that .
Stay in the bible , let us CLING to CHRIST .
the HOUR is very very late and the delusion has grown very great .
TO the trenches my friend , IF we be even killed for the faith , LET US GO OUT FAITHFUL TO THE GLORIOUS LORD .
The cost will be the cost .

 

[covenantee]

No we can’t rely on history. History is a lie agreed upon.

So the history in the Bible is a lie?

 

[Davy]

At this time, if we think the end is nigh, I'd rather spend time in prophecy for today not 2500 years ago.

It's not possible to do that. The Bible believer won't even be able to establish which covenants God's Word is pointing to for the end of the world without first knowing the Old Testament histories and about His covenants. For example, men's seminary doctrines based on Preterism tries to scrap the Old Testament Books as dead history, when all the Old Testament Books being already fulfilled today couldn't be farther from the Truth.

Apostle Paul said the following about our standing as New Testament Christians in relation to the writings of the Old Testament Books...

1 Cor 10:11-12
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV

Lord Jesus said the following to His disciples regarding understanding His Word...

Matt 13:51-52
51 Jesus saith unto them, "Have ye understood all these things?" They say unto Him, "Yea, Lord."

52 Then said He unto them, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
KJV

To be instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is to bring forth out of God's Word things new and old, meaning both New and Old Testament Books.

I use The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible compiled by the 19th century Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger. Every place in The New Testament Books that quotes a passage from The Old Testament Books, or its subject is covered in the Old Testament Books, it is listed in the side margin of the KJV text. Some study Bibles do this partially, but The Companion Bible doesn't miss any cross-references.

 

[Wish-it]

It's not possible to do that. The Bible believer won't even be able to establish which covenants God's Word is pointing to for the end of the world without first knowing the Old Testament histories and about His covenants. For example, men's seminary doctrines based on Preterism tries to scrap the Old Testament Books as dead history, when all the Old Testament Books being already fulfilled today couldn't be farther from the Truth.

Apostle Paul said the following about our standing as New Testament Christians in relation to the writings of the Old Testament Books...

1 Cor 10:11-12
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV

Lord Jesus said the following to His disciples regarding understanding His Word...

Matt 13:51-52
51 Jesus saith unto them, "Have ye understood all these things?" They say unto Him, "Yea, Lord."

52 Then said He unto them, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
KJV

To be instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is to bring forth out of God's Word things new and old, meaning both New and Old Testament Books.

I use The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible compiled by the 19th century Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger. Every place in The New Testament Books that quotes a passage from The Old Testament Books, or its subject is covered in the Old Testament Books, it is listed in the side margin of the KJV text. Some study Bibles do this partially, but The Companion Bible doesn't miss any cross-references.

My reference was more pointing to those who consider the book of Daniel to be fulfilled prophecy from the past, rather than unfulfilled prophecy for us today.
It concerns me that believe assign prophecy to the past and may miss what God is saying to us today.
I tend to read mostly scripture only and love both testaments.

 

[covenantee]

My reference was more pointing to those who consider the book of Daniel to be fulfilled prophecy from the past, rather than unfulfilled prophecy for us today.
It concerns me that believe assign prophecy to the past and may miss what God is saying to us today.
I tend to read mostly scripture only and love both testaments.

Christ fulfilled Daniel on the Cross.

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The Cross is relevant for us, today, and for all time.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Ephesians 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

 

[Davy]

My reference was more pointing to those who consider the book of Daniel to be fulfilled prophecy from the past, rather than unfulfilled prophecy for us today.
It concerns me that believe assign prophecy to the past and may miss what God is saying to us today.
I tend to read mostly scripture only and love both testaments.

The Book of Daniel is not all history. It has a direct relation to prophecies Jesus gave in His Book of Revelation about the end of this world which are still pending.

 

[Wish-it]

Christ fulfilled Daniel on the Cross.

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The Cross is relevant for us, today, and for all time.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Ephesians 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

I still consider there is further future prophetic fulfillments to be seen.

 

[Wish-it]

The Book of Daniel is not all history. It has a direct relation to prophecies Jesus gave in His Book of Revelation about the end of this world which are still pending.

Often commentators consider Daniel's prophecies to be either all fulfilled, partly fulfilled, im considering the possibility than they could also be totally future. It seems to fit well.
The prospect being, that God has decided to give those of us here at the very end, at the point of time of the great time of distress, such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then, a description manual of what to expect, when it all goes down.

 

[Davy]

Often commentators consider Daniel's prophecies to be either all fulfilled, partly fulfilled, im considering the possibility than they could also be totally future. It seems to fit well.
The prospect being, that God has decided to give those of us here at the very end, at the point of time of the great time of distress, such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then, a description manual of what to expect, when it all goes down.

Thing is, for today's time, those in Christ should be solid on Bible prophecies still yet to occur, and be 'watching' like Lord Jesus commanded us to do at the end of this world.

Jesus' Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 specifically are the 7 main SIGNS of the end leading up to Christ's future return. And those signs parallel the Seals of Revelation 6 for the end.

 

[Wish-it]

Thing is, for today's time, those in Christ should be solid on Bible prophecies still yet to occur, and be 'watching' like Lord Jesus commanded us to do at the end of this world.

Jesus' Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 specifically are the 7 main SIGNS of the end leading up to Christ's future return. And those signs parallel the Seals of Revelation 6 for the end.

So do you not consider Daniel as part of the signs?

 

[Davy]

So do you not consider Daniel as part of the signs?

Yes I do, of course. But they don't just appear in the Book of Daniel, if we are now speaking specifically about the Old Testament prophets. The day of Christ's future return back to this earth is covered in the Book of Zechariah especially, as both His 1st coming and His future 2nd coming are also. God's OT prophets cover that day of Christ's return too with many events that will happen on that "day of the Lord."

It sounds like you need to get busy with Bible study for yourself in those parts of The Bible you've missed, and get up to speed. And today, the time is not just short, but extremely... short. The next Sign to happen once the chaos of today's "beginning of sorrows" is past, will be Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in plain sight, with his claiming to be God, and offering to fix all the world's problems, thus creating the fake world peace that is to happen at the very end just prior to Jesus' coming.

 

[Wish-it]

Yes I do, of course. But they don't just appear in the Book of Daniel, if we are now speaking specifically about the Old Testament prophets. The day of Christ's future return back to this earth is covered in the Book of Zechariah especially, as both His 1st coming and His future 2nd coming are also. God's OT prophets cover that day of Christ's return too with many events that will happen on that "day of the Lord."

It sounds like you need to get busy with Bible study for yourself in those parts of The Bible you've missed, and get up to speed. And today, the time is not just short, but extremely... short. The next Sign to happen once the chaos of today's "beginning of sorrows" is past, will be Satan and his angels being cast out of Heaven down to this earth in plain sight, with his claiming to be God, and offering to fix all the world's problems, thus creating the fake world peace that is to happen at the very end just prior to Jesus' coming.

I've been very busy. Hence my belief there some time yet to go, before Satan and his angels are cast down earth. There is much to be fulfilled. Specifically, with Dan 2, the rise of Javan is happening but the outcomes following that have not. I believe there is more detail in Daniel than most see. As 2 Thess 2 says we aren't at the midway point, or at the signing of the treaty. Dan 9.27 Some nations may push it, but its application is a while away.

 

[Davy]

I've been very busy. Hence my belief there some time yet to go, before Satan and his angels are cast down earth. There is much to be fulfilled. Specifically, with Dan 2, the rise of Javan is happening but the outcomes following that have not. I believe there is more detail in Daniel than most see. As 2 Thess 2 says we aren't at the midway point, or at the signing of the treaty. Dan 9.27 Some nations may push it, but its application is a while away.

I have to disagree, we are a lot closer than you think regarding the coming of the final Antichrist/false-Messiah to Jerusalem for the end. Right now we are in the period Lord Jesus called the "beginning of sorrows", with wars and kingdom against kingdom, pestilences, earthquakes, etc., a time of chaos. That will continue like birth pangs until it reaches the point when 'they' can present their false-Messiah who will play Lord Jesus Christ having returned to fix all the world's problems.

 

[Wish-it]

I have to disagree, we are a lot closer than you think regarding the coming of the final Antichrist/false-Messiah to Jerusalem for the end. Right now we are in the period Lord Jesus called the "beginning of sorrows", with wars and kingdom against kingdom, pestilences, earthquakes, etc., a time of chaos. That will continue like birth pangs until it reaches the point when 'they' can present their false-Messiah who will play Lord Jesus Christ having returned to fix all the world's problems.

Not 23rd Sept,2025. I hope. Whats a lot closer than i think mean in years. Do you consider we are inside the 7 year period yet? Can't beat the book of Daniel for a ton of clues.

 

[quietthinker]

What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?​

they are still connected to the feet.

 

[Davy]

Not 23rd Sept,2025. I hope. Whats a lot closer than i think mean in years. Do you consider we are inside the 7 year period yet? Can't beat the book of Daniel for a ton of clues.

Oh no, I didn't mean false-messiah is coming tomorrow, or next year even. And the symbolic "one week" (7 years) of Daniel 9:27 won't begin until false-messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

As much as I agree with how President Trump is dealing with the nations today, I see him as a type of catalyst prep of world peace among today's nations, including nations like Russia and Red China (give 'em time, they'll come around.) So will there be an all-out WWIII to end the period of the "beginning of sorrows", and bring in the false-messiah? I don't know, maybe something close to it. It could have been what the previous administration was doing with funding and stirring up Iran against Israel. But Trump quelled that when he got elected.

I know some denominations are wrongly teaching that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38 will happen prior to the "great tribulation", when that event is actually for the time after... the trib when Jesus comes on the "day of the Lord". The Pre-trib Rapture School especially is wrongly pushing "day of the Lord" events that ONLY occur on the last day of this world backwards to the time of the "great tribulation". Yet I do believe there will be some kind of major chaos event presented by the world controllers as a contrast to bring in their "king of the world" they spoke of setting up in some of their political documents.

 

[Brakelite]

They Roman Empire as a political entity is no more. However, as a pagan spiritual power, it was absorbed into and embraced by Roman Catholicism, along with some of the more endearing qualities of its predecessors, Greek, Meda-Persia, and Babylon.
For example. The title Pontifex Maximus originated in the Babylonian priesthood, which after vacating their home town settled in Pergamum, and bequeathed to the Roman emperors, and passed on to the bishop of Rome when the final Emperor refused the title.
The worship of Cybele, Diana, Astarte and other female deities found a home in Mary.
Sun worship, originating in Persia and finding popularity among the Roman military, had its day of worship, Sunday. Adopted by Roman Catholicism and baptized to rep lace the Lord's day, the 7th day Sabbath. ...
.... And many more examples besides.

As for the 10 toes. I don't think we can register them with their ten horns of the 4 th beast inn Daniel 7. 3 of those horns were tied up and are now extinct. So I think the ten toes are a different kettl of fish, and are certainly kings off the earth who unite in confederacy with Babylon for a short time immediately before the second coming. Just thinking aloud.

 

[Brakelite]

Not 23rd Sept,2025. I hope. Whats a lot closer than i think mean in years. Do you consider we are inside the 7 year period yet? Can't beat the book of Daniel for a ton of clues.

What 7 year period would that be pray tell?

 

[Wish-it]

Oh no, I didn't mean false-messiah is coming tomorrow, or next year even. And the symbolic "one week" (7 years) of Daniel 9:27 won't begin until false-messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

As much as I agree with how President Trump is dealing with the nations today, I see him as a type of catalyst prep of world peace among today's nations, including nations like Russia and Red China (give 'em time, they'll come around.) So will there be an all-out WWIII to end the period of the "beginning of sorrows", and bring in the false-messiah? I don't know, maybe something close to it. It could have been what the previous administration was doing with funding and stirring up Iran against Israel. But Trump quelled that when he got elected.

I know some denominations are wrongly teaching that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38 will happen prior to the "great tribulation", when that event is actually for the time after... the trib when Jesus comes on the "day of the Lord". The Pre-trib Rapture School especially is wrongly pushing "day of the Lord" events that ONLY occur on the last day of this world backwards to the time of the "great tribulation". Yet I do believe there will be some kind of major chaos event presented by the world controllers as a contrast to bring in their "king of the world" they spoke of setting up in some of their political documents.

The Ezek 38,39 chapters are interesting in that various phrases used in the chapters are repeated in Zechariah and also Rev 16. Ie Ezek 38.19-23, Zech 14.1-3, Rev 16.17-21. Each of them indicate similar events including the Lords return, suggesting they are three versions of the same period. Im also considering the view, that these events will maybe be more localised to the middle east, and what effect will they have on much of the rest of the world.