Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

[Brakelite]

Ask those who participated, no one was able to identify this being from any part of the Lord’s ministry or Paul’s ministry as evidence of its existence.

That's a lie. I quoted several passages quoting Jesus and Paul. They both spoke of, and Jesus spoke directly to, Satan and demons. If that's not evidence enough for you then very deep and entrenched your deception is.

 

[Brakelite]

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ” Ephesians 6:12

Yep, there you go. Your interpretation of the above text is, "we fight not against flesh and blood, but against flesh and blood." And you don't see it.

 

[Hiddenthings]

A late friend of mine, a neighbour, got to deeply involved in ancient religious and customary practices of her indigenous people. I visited one night and she tried to attack me but for her husband grappling with her on the floor to hold her back. She then spoke to me with a male voice with such hatred I'd never seen before anywhere. And the language she spoke was a dialect so ancient her husband, a fluent speaker in that language, could only pick up a few words. If a demon can do that through a woman, Satan can do it through a serpent. You are so closed minded you cannot see reality. You need to get out in the real world and open your eyes as to what's going on all around you. The battle between spiritual powers is real. The war between Christ and Satan is real. You need to get out of your nice comfortable little bubble and start preaching the real gospel to people. Then you'll find out who your real enemy is. It isn't flesh and blood.

The Mind of the Flesh is dangerously wicked - who can know it?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yep, there you go. Your interpretation of the above text is, "we fight not against flesh and blood, but against flesh and blood." And you don't see it.

I get how hard it is for you to show the evidence which is why I push for it.

What your belief shows me is that you lack the critical thinking needed to understand the ministries of Christ and Paul, since you cannot point to a single passage of Scripture that speaks of your supposed being.

Not one!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Brakelite

Let’s put your theory to the test.

You show me every passage in Ephesians that points to your fallen angel, and I will show you every occurrence where the real enemy is the flesh and false teaching.

 

[St. SteVen]

I'm sorry, but assigning blame IS judgement, by definition. Your internal jury has returned a verdict of "guilty" against God on the charges of making you a sinner from birth, giving you a hard life, negligently allowing terrible things to happen in this world, and slowly killing you.*

So, what's the sentence? There has to be consequences. How will you enforce your judgement against God?

It seems that I see it as a thorn in the flesh. One I can't remove and God won't.
It effects trust, I suppose. Where does doubt come from?

Daniel 3:16-18 N IV
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar,
we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.
17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace,
the God we serve is able to deliver us from it,
and he will deliver us[a] from Your Majesty’s hand.
18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty,
that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”

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[Brakelite]

Another question.

The Mind of the Flesh is dangerously wicked - who can know it?

That's all you've got?

 

[Brakelite]

@Brakelite

Let’s put your theory to the test.

You show me every passage in Ephesians that points to your fallen angel, and I will show you every occurrence where the real enemy is the flesh and false teaching.

It's both. One uses the other.

 

[Brakelite]

The Mind of the Flesh is dangerously wicked - who can know it?

I agree with you that the flesh, that is the carnal nature, is an enemy we must constantly battle against, in fact, it is said to be the greatest foe we will have to face. But our battle isn't against others. It's predominantly against ourselves. Yet behind and beyond the immediate apparent line of scrimmage, is a powerful foe capable of killing you instantly, if he had the freedom to do so. There has clearly been set rules of engagement in the warfare between Christ and Satan. Like the first chapters of Job reveal, Satan can only go so far, and not beyond the boundaries set by God. And on that note, those attacks against Job where he loses his family, his wealth, and his health, cannot be attributed to the Christadelphian go to..."the human excuse for sinning".

 

[Lambano]

It seems that I see it as a thorn in the flesh. One I can't remove and God won't.
It effects trust, I suppose. Where does doubt come from?

Okay; that's an honest answer.

In the case of the young man I mentioned in post #10, who blamed God for the handicap he was born with, the abuse he suffered in life, and the humiliating, debilitating disease that eventually killed him, I think it was a deal-breaker.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Another question.

That's all you've got?

It's what the Bible teaches, and you know it!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I agree with you that the flesh, that is the carnal nature, is an enemy we must constantly battle against, in fact, it is said to be the greatest foe we will have to face. But our battle isn't against others.

It's our only enemy.

It's predominantly against ourselves.

True.

Yet behind and beyond the immediate apparent line of scrimmage, is a powerful foe capable of killing you instantly, if he had the freedom to do so. There has clearly been set rules of engagement in the warfare between Christ and Satan.

Never any Scriptures Brakelite - the total sum of all the notions on this subject ever written in this forum and none of them can be supported. It's incredible.

Like the first chapters of Job reveal, Satan can only go so far, and not beyond the boundaries set by God.

Again, that adversary is powerless

And on that note, those attacks against Job where he loses his family, his wealth, and his health, cannot be attributed to the Christadelphian go to..."the human excuse for sinning".

Ah the precision of those attacks - have you taken the time to notice?

I'm guessing you haven't.

By Men	Attributed to God
️ Sabeans killed servants and stole oxen/donkeys (Job 1:15)	“Fire of God” burned sheep and servants (Job 1:16)
️ Chaldeans raided camels and killed servants (Job 1:17)	️ Great wind collapsed the house and killed Job’s children (Job 1:19)

With such precision one after the other Who was truly the orchestrator.

Think about! (note the order - man, God, man, God hmmm

What's interesting is nowhere in the entire book is your adversary spoken of to Job and in fact at the end its made known that God did all these things.

I'm sure you can find the verse yourself.

 

[St. SteVen]

In the case of the young man I mentioned in post #10, who blamed God for the handicap he was born with, the abuse he suffered in life, and the humiliating, debilitating disease that eventually killed him, I think it was a deal-breaker.

Yes.
Ultimately it's shadow boxing.
But it releases something that should not be bottled up.

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[Brakelite]

and in fact at the end its made known that God did all these things.

And there we have it. Blame God. Right there is why we need to discuss theodicy. Why is there so much evil in the world. According to some, it's all God's fault.
"God has come to steal, kill, and destroy, but I am come that you might have life, in all its abundance.".

 

[LoveYeshua]

Oh boy, this is a scary topic, eh? (oops, Canadian slip) - LOL

How dare we blame God for anything? (unthinkable) Or just dangerous?
Really?

If you were God, how would you have created the universe?
What would you have done differently?

What would YOUR Logos/logic/reason/plan have been?

We don't have to trash God to discuss this.

What might you have done differently?

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Unthinkable and Dangerous yes!
Many people blame God for the troubles in the world, but the truth is that all problems began when Lucifer lifted up his heart in pride and tried to take the throne of God. The prophet wrote of him, “For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God’… Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit” (Isaiah 14:13–15). Even though Lucifer was created perfect in beauty and wisdom, he chose to rebel, which shows that a being created good can still turn away if pride enters the heart (Ezekiel 28:15).

God in His wisdom created man in the flesh, giving each of us a will to choose. This life is the place where our allegiance is tested, whether we will love God and keep His word or follow the ways of the world. Jesus explained this in the parable of the wheat and the tares, saying that the wheat are the children of the kingdom while the tares are the sons of the wicked one, and at the end of the age the angels will separate them (Matthew 13:38–41).

The plan of God is to gather those who truly do His will and make them eternal. Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). And again He promised, “Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death” (John 8:51). In this way God will separate the faithful from the unfaithful, and those who prove their allegiance to Him will inherit everlasting life in His kingdom.

 

[St. SteVen]

Unthinkable and Dangerous yes!
Many people blame God for the troubles in the world, but the truth is that all problems began when Lucifer lifted up his heart in pride and tried to take the throne of God. The prophet wrote of him, “For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God’… Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit” (Isaiah 14:13–15). Even though Lucifer was created perfect in beauty and wisdom, he chose to rebel, which shows that a being created good can still turn away if pride enters the heart (Ezekiel 28:15).

Was God sovereign in this? (ultimately responsible) ???

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[Hiddenthings]

And there we have it. Blame God.

If only you understood him.

Hebrews 12:11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

You have a lot to learn Brakelite!

Right there is why we need to discuss theodicy. Why is there so much evil in the world. According to some, it's all God's fault.
"God has come to steal, kill, and destroy, but I am come that you might have life, in all its abundance.".

When you ignore not only the text but also God’s purpose, you leave yourself vulnerable to the very false teachings you now hold.

11 Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold.

I know you will not acknowledge the text and you certainly cannot speak to the works of God and the evil He shapes for good but those who hold truth know Him.

Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?

Because you believe in a false god the real One is hid from you.

 

[Jack]

Because you believe in a false god the real One is hid from you.

I'm sure Satan would agree with you.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

But we cannot know why there's evil.

Yeah, those that don't know much about what God teaches in His Word.

I'm worried.

Let me clarify that I'm a conservative person.

Those that walk in God's power are not "worried" and don't make politics in to an idol.

Somebody needs to detox from the things of this world and put the Lord first in their lives again.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Was God sovereign in this? (ultimately responsible) ???

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No he was not responsible I am certain of this.