In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[Dan Clarkston]

Did ya ever think you'd run across a satan worshiper claiming to be a Christian?

 

[mailmandan]

It isn't heresy.
To the enemies of the cross it's a threat they can't bear to face.

Empty words born from the breath of their dark father think to assail the truth of eternal security in Christ so to make it appear false if many spew the same rhetoric.
Because in those numbers they think they can lead people to believe eternal security is a lie.

They're damned.And they want everyone to feel as insecure as they are.
The idea that God will save people forever,and there's nothing they can do to change God's grace is that what reminds the Adversary his time is short.

He knows that. It is written. Which is also why his faithful work at trying to convince people the Bible isn't really God's words, or to be believed or trusted.

They're empty and lost.
And time is short.

I have found that ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS which remains a major red flag for me.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I have found that ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS which remains a major red flag for me.

That's why so many in the OSAS camp enjoy engaging in sinful behavior on the sly....

Their "pastors" get caught frequently as we hear about them in the news.

They have no fear of God and so they don't hate evil... they like to play with evil falsely believing they are not corrupt

 

[Michiah-Imla]

ALL false religions and cults that promote salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS

Some false religions and cults also promote Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS).

Your red flag trigger is faulty.

 

[mailmandan]

That's why so many in the OSAS camp enjoy engaging in sinful behavior on the sly....

Their "pastors" get caught frequently as we hear about them in the news.

They have no fear of God and so they don't hate evil... they like to play with evil falsely believing they are not corrupt

That does not apply to myself or my Christian family members and friends or the pastor of my church so stop getting carried away with your broad brush. To label ALL believers in the OSAS camp this way is judgmental and slanderous.

 

[mailmandan]

Some false religions and cults also promote Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS).

Your red flag trigger is faulty.

Which ones? I'm yet to run across a false religion or cult THAT PROMOTES SALVATION BY WORKS and also teaches OSAS.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That does not apply to myself or my Christian family members and friends or the pastor of my church so stop getting carried away with your broad brush. To label ALL believers in the OSAS camp this way is judgmental and slanderous.

Yeah but you still claim if a Christian decides to live in sin they will still go to Heaven which is heresy.

Some folk just gotta learn the hard way what the Lord meant when He put in His Word that heresy is one of the things that will cause people to not be accepted in to His Kingdom.

True Christians all gonna be glad they were not peddling heresy like the OSAS crowd is doing.

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah but you still claim if a Christian decides to live in sin they will still go to Heaven which is heresy.

That is slander! I never said that. Living in sin is practicing sin, which is one's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Some folk just gotta learn the hard way what the Lord meant when He put in His Word that heresy is one of the things that will cause people to not be accepted in to His Kingdom.

True Christians all gonna be glad they were not peddling heresy like the OSAS crowd is doing.View attachment 70412

You continue to suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome and you sure seem to enjoy calling others heretics and judging and condemning them as well. True Christians trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) and do not promote a license for immortality. (1 John 3:7-10)

I'm yet to hear you give a clear presentation of the gospel. I guess you are too busy unfairly judging and condemning ALL Christians in the OSAS camp. So sad and also so telling.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is slander! I never said that. Living in sin is practicing sin, which is one's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You continue to suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome and you sure seem to enjoy calling others heretics and judging and condemning them as well. True Christians trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) and do not promote a license for immortality. (1 John 3:7-10)

I'm yet to hear you give a clear presentation of the gospel. I guess you are too busy unfairly judging and condemning ALL Christians in the OSAS camp. So sad and also so telling.

i am amazed at all these modern day pharisees pumping their chest.

its sad

and AMEN,, One born of God can not live in sin,, Anyone who is born of God understands why..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That is slander!

I've had long discussion with OSAS for years and they al come back to that one point.... a Christian will never lose their salvation even if they choose to turn away from the Lord and live in sin. OSAS is sin friendly, so if you don't like that part of your people's message maybe you should quit identifying with the heretics.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin

And of course that's the OSAS viewpoint... it's all good to do sin every now and then as long as you don't sin all the time... as that would be considered "practicing sin"

This is why many of the OSAS folks like to get drunk, do drugs, fornicate, etc on the weekends only so they "aren't practicing sin" cause they only engage in sinful behavior one or two days a week. They just try to hide it so nobody finds out.

When I was in high school (before I ever got saved) I know lots of kids like this. They'd tell you about Jesus and then you'd see them smokin dope and getting drunk at the keg parties on Friday and Saturday nights. Some of them would leave early though on Saturday night because they had to get up early to go to church don't ya know.

You continue to suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS

It's heresy so you can run with OSAS doctrine if you'd like.

You do you, and meanwhile I'll stick with the real Christians.

I'm yet to hear you give a clear presentation of the gospel.

Why would anybody want to cast pearls before swine?

Like I said, I've had these convos with the OSAS cult members for years and they are all reprobate in that their mind is already made up and they only accept a select few verses as they twist or otherwise ignore the rest of the Counsel of the Lord.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

One born of God can not live in sin,, Anyone who is born of God understands why..

So you acknowledge that IF a believer were to go live in sin and they died in that condition they wouldn't go to Heaven?

This is the rub for the OSAS fake gospel.... they all claim a person like this would go to Heaven.

Others hear this false doctrine and believe they can live in sin... so OSAS heresy is causing people to stumble.

But the OSAS folks don't care as they will say and do anything to safeguard their false "gospel"

 

[pandaflower]

That is slander! I never said that. Living in sin is practicing sin, which is one's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You continue to suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome and you sure seem to enjoy calling others heretics and judging and condemning them as well. True Christians trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Acts 10:43; 16:31; Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) and do not promote a license for immortality. (1 John 3:7-10)

I'm yet to hear you give a clear presentation of the gospel. I guess you are too busy unfairly judging and condemning ALL Christians in the OSAS camp. So sad and also so telling.

You're still entertaining one of the most depraved in their fallen natural mind trolls here?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you acknowledge that IF a believer were to go live in sin and they died in that condition they wouldn't go to Heaven?

No

I acknolwdge what God said, a believe CAN NOT go live in sin.

This is the rub for the OSAS fake gospel.... they all claim a person like this would go to Heaven.

Others hear this false doctrine and believe they can live in sin... so OSAS heresy is causing people to stumble.

But the OSAS folks don't care as they will say and do anything to safeguard their false "gospel"

lol.. again, so your going to reject truth because a few people do not understand

Again, I go with what the apostle John said. not what others say. if said we can not live in sin, then I believe him, Why you will not believe him is beyond me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're still entertaining one of the most depraved in their fallen natural mind trolls here?

there are alot of them

 

[pandaflower]

there are alot of them

True. I think some are the same person using different names.

That's why the ignore function is a blessing. If the system won't ban them at least we can ignore their existence as they are allowed to continue to slander Christ.

 

[marks]

That is slander! I never said that. Living in sin is practicing sin, which is one's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I have to agree, this is a troll, trying to trick others into saying something he can pounce on. There is neither reason nor honesty. Ignore is best in my opinion. This is not spiritually edifying, IMO.

Much love!

 

[pandaflower]

I have to agree, this is a troll, trying to trick others into saying something he can pounce on. There is neither reason nor honesty. Ignore is best in my opinion. This is not spiritually edifying, IMO.

Much love!

Agreed. They're still here.

HealthyShape is a troll.ikely they're Angelina's sick account. Because HealthyShape is a terrorist supporter of Hamas and when that's revealed,your post gets deleted instantly.

While HealthyShape can say anything in support of Hamas and they're OK.

There are way too many Sata I Trolls here and they're allowed to continue to assault the gospel to any degree.

There's a lot of review sites that say the staff here are atheists. And the trolls ATF their sick account. They get off assaulting Christianity and Christians because as Moderators and Administrators they're untouchable.

But call them out and you're deleted or banned.


God be with the actual people of Christ here. You're in a den of devils!

 

[Behold]

Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? | GotQuestions.org

Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Do we contribute our works along with our faith for salvation?

www.gotquestions.org

Do we "contribute our works, along with our Salvaiton".

Listen, God saves a SINNER....>>"while we were Yet sinners"....... His Gift of Salvation.

So, did the sinner "contribute their works".......to God, as a part of God's Salvation?

All the sinner has to offer God, is their SIN.... a lifetime of it.

So the answer is.......>" A SINNER coming to God, through Christ, has not offered God any works at all"...


A.) DUH

 

[mailmandan]

I've had long discussion with OSAS for years and they al come back to that one point.... a Christian will never lose their salvation even if they choose to turn away from the Lord and OSAS is sin friendly, so if you don't like that part of your people's message maybe you should quit identifying with the heretics.

I'm really beginning to wonder if that's what you actually heard these OSAS folks say or if that's what your selective hearing wanted to hear them say. I've witnessed you on multiple occasions falsely accuse others (and myself) of teaching something that we don't actually teach. You love straw man arguments and you also seem to really enjoy judging and condemning others. Sad.

And of course that's the OSAS viewpoint... it's all good to do sin every now and then as long as you don't sin all the time... as that would be considered "practicing sin" View attachment 70419

Sin is never good any time yet none of us are sinless 100% of the time. (1 John 1:8-10) Do you claim to be sinless 100% of the time? I have only run across a few delusional folks over the years on various Christian forum sites who believe they are sinless, without fault or defect 100% of the time, exactly like Jesus.

This is why many of the OSAS folks like to get drunk, do drugs, fornicate, etc on the weekends only so they "aren't practicing sin" cause they only engage in sinful behavior one or two days a week. They just try to hide it so nobody finds out.

Not myself or my OSAS family members and friends. Are you sure you are not speaking from experience?

When I was in high school (before I ever got saved) I know lots of kids like this. They'd tell you about Jesus and then you'd see them smokin dope and getting drunk at the keg parties on Friday and Saturday nights. Some of them would leave early though on Saturday night because they had to get up early to go to church don't ya know.

Just because someone talks about Jesus does not necessarily mean they are saved. I've witnessed the same thing in high school. It's not that uncommon, even in schools that claim to be Christian.

It's heresy so you can run with OSAS doctrine if you'd like.

Promoting a license for immorality which stems from unbelief is heresy, which is not part of the OSAS doctrine that I teach. I prefer to refer to that doctrine as "preservation of the saints" or "eternal security of the believer." OSAS carries too many negative connotations with it thanks to people like you.

You do you, and meanwhile I'll stick with the real Christians.

So, you just judged me as not being a real Christian based on your unqualified credentials? I would not expect that kind of unqualified judgment call from a real Christian. BTW I've been a real Christian for several years now so you may want to examine yourself.

Why would anybody want to cast pearls before swine? View attachment 70418

Sadly, there are many swine who don't even realize they are swine.

Like I said, I've had these convos with the OSAS cult members for years and they are all reprobate in that their mind is already made up and they only accept a select few verses as they twist or otherwise ignore the rest of the Counsel of the Lord.

It sounds to me like you have selective hearing, along with a very biased and judgmental attitude towards believers in the OSAS camp in general. I have quoted more than a few select verses to you in multiple conversations with you in the past and instead of twisting scripture, I read scripture in context and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. I don't ignore any of the council of the Lord. I'm yet to hear a sufficient rebuttal from you or a proper gospel presentation.

 

[mailmandan]

So you acknowledge that IF a believer were to go live in sin and they died in that condition they wouldn't go to Heaven?

This is the rub for the OSAS fake gospel.... they all claim a person like this would go to Heaven.

Others hear this false doctrine and believe they can live in sin... so OSAS heresy is causing people to stumble.

But the OSAS folks don't care as they will say and do anything to safeguard their false "gospel"

1 John 3:7-10 refutes your broken record straw man argument. OSAS fake gospel? Who said OSAS is the gospel? What gospel are you peddling? Salvation by works? Sinless perfection? Don't believe OSAS and you will be saved?

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.