Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[marks]

I have experienced grace, the Son of God destroying the works of the devil, in my life through faith in and boasting in the Cross, so I have to disagree if you disagree--but I think what you disagree with is an empty powerless profession that doesn't yield results but leaves a person buddy-buddy with sin, and I would reject that as well.

Scripture is clear on this point:

Romans 6:11-14 KJV
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Reckon yourself dead to sin, and alive to God.

Because of this, don't let sin rule in you. Don't yeild yourself to it. Yield yourself to God, as one who is alive from among the dead ones.

So then, while we are dead to sin, the Apostle urges us to not let sin rule in us, and to not yield our members - body parts - as instruments to sin.

Why does he do that?

Because even being dead to sin, it's possible we may yield our members to it. Being dead to sin is the condition of the new inner man, and we are in the process of our minds being renewed to live that way.

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

Post a NT verse that says anyone is "born in ZION>., or born again in Zion".

So far you are correct.

Listen.......Being born again, is not to go into a "realm"....

In a way it is, a new world opens, turns everything upside down.

Again, you posted nothing about being born again,

Then you did not read well.

or why.

Why what ?!

However, you didnt post how or why.........regarding being born again., and that was the question @Episkopos

Then inform us about your born again moment and what happened after that.

 

[amigo de christo]

Now, is the Gospel in the Torah?

Sorry, just edited my previous post, read it and get back, thank you

Why yes it is and even before was it preached to abraham .
The prophets spoke of it
the sheep told of it
For even the prophets to the law
IT was prophesised of the seed , the ONE who was to come , the savoir . JESUS the CHRIST my friend .
Even david saw this and spoke of his ressurection
and scores of others , from Issiah to others .
From abraham and others
These died in faith NOT having recieved the promise , but beleived.
My advice is
WE ALL start pointing to HE who was before all that was even was
HE who came unto HIS own but many recieved him not
BUT UNTO ALL WHO DID and STILL DO , OH THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE .
Ecumunical bridge buidling will NOT Lead ONE TO CHRIST
it leads only to its mother who through her soceries HAS and IS DECIEVING this entire lott of folks
who continue to sit under it and heed its cry for unity . And that HO gets exposed on my watch
and her ecuminical cry of poisoned waters shall too .

 

[Lizbeth]

OK but the concern is when an obese person takes that obesity for being pregnancy. One needs to have a very close encounter with God to birth something that can emerge in a full-blown holiness.

We who know the Lord with faith not of our own have had a close encounter with God, with more to follow. That's what you don't seem to get. You equate genuine believers with unbelieving Jews under the Law and unredeemed Catholics. You are denying the power of what we received at the first.

Or one can simply go to God with faith seeking after His grace, by forsaking everything in this world.

That simple huh. Then why haven't you done that in 23 years?

And I'm still waiting for you to please expound your understanding of what scriptures say about the new man and old man.

 

[amigo de christo]

We who know the Lord with faith not of our own have had a close encounter with God, with more to follow. That's what you don't seem to get. You equate genuine believers with unbelieving Jews under the Law and unredeemed Catholics. You are denying the power of what we received at the first.


That simple huh. Then why haven't you done that in 23 years?

And I'm still waiting for you to please expound your understanding of what scriptures say about the new man and old man.

There is an entity at work and this entity is no lover of humanity but has always desired the death and destruction of man .
But it comes cloaked in wool
and it cometh in with a smile and a hug and hollers that God is love
but preaches naught but rebellion and unbeleif TO GOD .
La madre of mintidas ye muerte , la reina de los angelas negras
Has come to call her children home to mama . And her cry of inclusivisim can be heard
now from many pulpits
from imams and even buddists
from wicans and many who even wear wool .
SO what i say to one i say to all
Those who sit under her ecuminical move
are not being led to CHRIST but unto her and her chambers are but the pathway to destruction and peridtion .
She cries STOLEN waters are sweet but her cup of fornication is full of death and scum .
Filled to the brim with fornication that she calls love and she says is the way to attain peace .
But there will be no peace to HER and to her children on the DAY OF THE LORD GOD , whose name SHE USED
and yet WHOM they all DENIED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

There is an entity at work and this entity is no lover of humanity but has always desired the death and destruction of man .
But it comes cloaked in wool
and it cometh in with a smile and a hug and hollers that God is love
but preaches naught but rebellion and unbeleif TO GOD .
La madre of mintidas ye muerte , la reina de los angelas negras
Has come to call her children home to mama . And her cry of inclusivisim can be heard
now from many pulpits
from imams and even buddists
from wicans and many who even wear wool .
SO what i say to one i say to all
Those who sit under her ecuminical move
are not being led to CHRIST but unto her and her chambers are but the pathway to destruction and peridtion .
She cries STOLEN waters are sweet but her cup of fornication is full of death and scum .
Filled to the brim with fornication that she calls love and she says is the way to attain peace .
But there will be no peace to HER and to her children on the DAY OF THE LORD GOD , whose name SHE USED
and yet WHOM they all DENIED .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Why yes it is and even before was it preached to abraham .
The prophets spoke of it
the sheep told of it
For even the prophets to the law
IT was prophesised of the seed , the ONE who was to come , the savoir . JESUS the CHRIST my friend .
Even david saw this and spoke of his ressurection
and scores of others , from Issiah to others .
From abraham and others
These died in faith NOT having recieved the promise , but beleived.
My advice is
WE ALL start pointing to HE who was before all that was even was
HE who came unto HIS own but many recieved him not
BUT UNTO ALL WHO DID and STILL DO , OH THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE .
Ecumunical bridge buidling will NOT Lead ONE TO CHRIST
it leads only to its mother who through her soceries HAS and IS DECIEVING this entire lott of folks
who continue to sit under it and heed its cry for unity . And that HO gets exposed on my watch
and her ecuminical cry of poisoned waters shall too .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

I'm sorry, but there are programs out there to help religious Jews stop watching porn, because IT IS A PROBLEM FOR THEM.

I agree with your perspective on holiness--I'm just saying I'm glad to be free, as the thought never even crosses my mind to even watch the filth, and that was by faith alone that I was set free/had the strength.

And sadly many do worse than watch. They are as lost as the rest of the unbelieving world and are in need of the Messiah/Christ just as much.

 

[GracePeace]

We've done an admirable job of veering from the topic of the thread. lol

 

[Behold]

Then you did not read well.

He posted that you "enter the realm". and that sounds like Star Wars dialog.
Do you need a Light Sabre to ender "the realm"?

"Luke, this is Darth V........come into the realm and bring some snacks."....

See, Its a meaningless post he posted as usual.
Its nothing....literally. Its just his usual Fog of verbage......starting nowhere, and ending nowhere, and in the middle, it went nowhere.

See, i didnt ask him what you enter.
I asked Him to explain being born again, and why.

Why what ?!

Why be born again.

Then inform us about your born again moment and what happened after that.

This is not a Thread that is dedicate to our Salvation Testimony, and if you read his, you'd understand what crazy sounds like....literally.
This thread that is dealing with "the Gospel".....so, this is ultimately related to how you become a Christian., which is what i asked Episkopos.
He then initially responded with a vague and empty concept about a "realm".

 

[amigo de christo]

Chief that list is far too long and no man , no not even a team of men could list all those names .
Yall really think Trump and vance and the nar realm do the work of God .
My friend they , as in both sides , are deceiving all the peoples .
You cant run from the left thinking we will find the answer on the right
and you cannot run from the right thinking the answer is on the left
In fact you cannot run to much of even christendom and expect not TO BE DECEIVED .
WHO shall go and entice this man .
I shall go , and i will be a lying spirit unto all his prophets .
I shall convince both sides of politics , the realm of christendome
and even the false prophets
that this ecumincal love and unity IS the Answer and they must merge as one
and shall attain world peace n safety .
AND SO THEY HAVE TAKEN the bait . But like the king of israel
them prophets prophesy deception and it wont be peace n safety they attain
IT WILL BE THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION that shall come upon them .
YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBLE .
THIS IS A DELUSION and it has been sent
to the prophets of the false religoins as well as to the prophets of christendom
Who did not repent , who grew worse
and thus a savoir came to them and the prophets cried this is the solution and these are the savoirs .
BUT IT WONT BE PEACE N SAFETY on THE DAY OF THE LORD .
I guess folks forget the part where ITS ANTI CHRIST , HIS PEACE . cause many sure seem to think
this peace cometh of GOD , and yet its solution HAS DENEID HIS CHRIST . it aint looking good .

 

[amigo de christo]

And sadly many do worse than watch. They are as lost as the rest of the unbelieving world and are in need of the Messiah/Christ just as much.

Yall really think Trump and vance and the nar realm do the work of God .
My friend they , as in both sides , are deceiving all the peoples .
You cant run from the left thinking we will find the answer on the right
and you cannot run from the right thinking the answer is on the left
In fact you cannot run to much of even christendom and expect not TO BE DECEIVED .
WHO shall go and entice this man .
I shall go , and i will be a lying spirit unto all his prophets .
I shall convince both sides of politics , the realm of christendome
and even the false prophets
that this ecumincal love and unity IS the Answer and they must merge as one
and shall attain world peace n safety .
AND SO THEY HAVE TAKEN the bait . But like the king of israel
them prophets prophesy deception and it wont be peace n safety they attain
IT WILL BE THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION that shall come upon them .
people NEED TO READ THE BIBLE .
THIS IS A DELUSION and it has been sent
to the prophets of the false religoins as well as to the prophets of christendom
Who did not repent , who grew worse
and thus a savoir came to them and the prophets cried this is the solution and these are the savoirs .
BUT IT WONT BE PEACE N SAFETY on THE DAY OF THE LORD .
I guess folks forget the part where ITS ANTI CHRIST , HIS PEACE . cause many sure seem to think
this peace cometh of GOD , and yet its solution HAS DENEID HIS CHRIST . it aint looking good at all in these late and last hours

 

[mailmandan]

Then your answer is defacto agreement that works do not procure for us salvation, neither do they maintain our salvation, rather, they are the result of salvation for those who have been saved. I'm glad we agree on this.

Much love!

Amen! From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yall really think Trump and vance and the nar realm do the work of God .
My friend they , as in both sides , are deceiving all the peoples .
You cant run from the left thinking we will find the answer on the right
and you cannot run from the right thinking the answer is on the left
In fact you cannot run to much of even christendom and expect not TO BE DECEIVED .
WHO shall go and entice this man .
I shall go , and i will be a lying spirit unto all his prophets .
I shall convince both sides of politics , the realm of christendome
and even the false prophets
that this ecumincal love and unity IS the Answer and they must merge as one
and shall attain world peace n safety .
AND SO THEY HAVE TAKEN the bait . But like the king of israel
them prophets prophesy deception and it wont be peace n safety they attain
IT WILL BE THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION that shall come upon them .
people NEED TO READ THE BIBLE .
THIS IS A DELUSION and it has been sent
to the prophets of the false religoins as well as to the prophets of christendom
Who did not repent , who grew worse
and thus a savoir came to them and the prophets cried this is the solution and these are the savoirs .
BUT IT WONT BE PEACE N SAFETY on THE DAY OF THE LORD .
I guess folks forget the part where ITS ANTI CHRIST , HIS PEACE . cause many sure seem to think
this peace cometh of GOD , and yet its solution HAS DENEID HIS CHRIST . it aint looking good at all in these late and last hours

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Chief that list is far too long and no man , no not even a team of men could list all those names .
Yall really think Trump and vance and the nar realm do the work of God .
My friend they , as in both sides , are deceiving all the peoples .
You cant run from the left thinking we will find the answer on the right
and you cannot run from the right thinking the answer is on the left
In fact you cannot run to much of even christendom and expect not TO BE DECEIVED .
WHO shall go and entice this man .
I shall go , and i will be a lying spirit unto all his prophets .
I shall convince both sides of politics , the realm of christendome
and even the false prophets
that this ecumincal love and unity IS the Answer and they must merge as one
and shall attain world peace n safety .
AND SO THEY HAVE TAKEN the bait . But like the king of israel
them prophets prophesy deception and it wont be peace n safety they attain
IT WILL BE THE DAY OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION that shall come upon them .
YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBLE .
THIS IS A DELUSION and it has been sent
to the prophets of the false religoins as well as to the prophets of christendom
Who did not repent , who grew worse
and thus a savoir came to them and the prophets cried this is the solution and these are the savoirs .
BUT IT WONT BE PEACE N SAFETY on THE DAY OF THE LORD .
I guess folks forget the part where ITS ANTI CHRIST , HIS PEACE . cause many sure seem to think
this peace cometh of GOD , and yet its solution HAS DENEID HIS CHRIST . it aint looking good .

@amigo de christo

 

[Fred J]

Thank you very much for the kind replies, maybe we differ a little in speech and understanding since am from the other side of the globe.

Overall based on the thread topic, to me only a 'glimpse' of things that is in the Gospel was foretold in the Torah.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[ProDeo]

He posted that you "enter the realm". and that sounds like Star Wars dialog.
Do you need a Light Sabre to ender "the realm"?

"Luke, this is Darth V........come into the realm and bring some snacks."....

LOL.

Realm has many interpretations and since we are discussing Scripture enter-the-realm can be understood as enter the realm of God, His divine nature, the kingdom of God. And when we are born again it's that what is happening. How else to understand Efez 2:6 ?

Efez 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Efez 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved—
Efez 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

 

[Behold]

LOL.

Realm has many interpretations and since we are discussing Scripture enter-the-realm can be understood as enter the realm of God,

The thing is........why do you have to try to explain what you think Epikopose means by using that word "realm"
See, He can't explain it.... which is why he left the forum yesterday.....so, you feel that you need to step in and help him out @ProDeo .
He'll look at all his commentaries, and his online sites, and try to cobble together some answer, and will probalby show up later and paste it.......and it still wont be right.

His divine nature, the kingdom of God.

The KOG is God and Christ.
They are the KOG.
We are born again INTO THEM.........as "IN Christ" and 'ONE with God'.

Efez 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

The "heavenly Places" are this..

= "IN Christ", and 'ONE with God".

 

[ProDeo]

The thing is........why do you have to try to explain what you think Epikopose means by using that word "realm"

Because I understand it that way.

See, He can't explain it.... which is why he left the forum yesterday.....so, you feel that you need to step in and help him out @ProDeo .
He'll look at all his commentaries, and his online sites, and try to cobble together some answer, and will probalby show up later and paste it.......and it still wont be right.

I don't do assumptions.

The KOG is God and Christ.
They are the KOG.
We are born again INTO THEM.........as "IN Christ" and 'ONE with God'.

Amen.

 

[shepherdsword]

@Episkopos

I get what you are saying about making Jesus sin and ourselves righteous. I think there is a place where that can be in a neo-pharisaical spirit. That being said, this is very clear:

2 Co 5:21: For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.