Rapture ... soon?

[rebuilder 454]

I wouldn't be surprised if you actually know this, the way you avoid it. Or rather, dismiss it. Great way to learn Scripture, by dismissing the meanings of the words God inspired because they don't agree with your view! (Not.)

Much love!

There are many doctrines destroyed and in the ditch by the bible.
The Bible is a doctrine destroyer.

True doctrine changes as error is pointed out.
Have you ever, ever, ever, seen anyone here change their doctrine?

If they never have ,That proves they are wrong

 

[marks]

There are many doctrines destroyed and in the ditch by the bible.
The Bible is a doctrine destroyer.

True doctrine changes as error is pointed out.
Have you ever, ever, ever, seen anyone here change their doctrine?

If they never have ,That proves they are wrong

I've seen some. I've changed my views on some things from forum interchanges. For the most part it seems people hold their course.

Much love!

 

[HealthyShape]

To All,

This is not a desperate move to rekindle life from Joshua's prediction that most of you believe now was false. But what if as Dave Watchmam's recent video revealed, new evidence to his case may just put a wedge in the door before it's closed?
1. During Jesus time, they operated on the Julian calendar which is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar ( created in the 16th century). Many Eastern Orthodox churches still used the Julian calendar up until 1929, when it was revised to align with the Gregorian calendar.
2. According to Psalm 81:3, it appears that the new moon is a full moon and not a sliver as the Jews base their entire calendar on. Interpretations of that verse vary. Some add the word and as ifbthe verse says new moon and full moon. But it is talking about one day so it cannot be two different days. If this is true, their Sabbaths and Feast have been backwards. It sounds so absurd, I know. How could they err in such a way?
Well they erred about recognizing their Messiah. They do not possess the Holy Spirit and so their entire ability to discern scripture has been dysfunctional for a long time. They are blind still. If this is really true God has punished them in more ways than just mere blindness. He let them continue to believe they were actually doing something meaningful, living obediently, trying to keep the Law, observing Feasts and Sabbaths ... buy all on the wrong days. A movie can be written about this.
3. So if we use the ancient Julian Calendar, September 23 will happen on October 7. Their will be not only a full moon at 6:47 Am in Jerusalem, but it will be a Harvest moon and also a Super moon.
Again, I am just putting this out there for a response. Most of you will think it absurd and dismiss it, make folly ... don't care either way. But how could millions of scholars _ Jews and Christians _ fir centuries _ miss this? I mean to most of us it doesn't really matter what day it is, just need a weekly, monthly and annual calendar to have some order ... and who cares when they made it long ago ... we live by it ...bla, bla, bla. But really, what if Jesus gave Joshua that date based on the same Julian Calendar?

Please, stop already. It is embarrassing.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Please, stop already. It is embarrassing.

Are you embarrassed by the question about the Julian calendar? Sorry if it makes you feel uncomfortable.
If you can't hang with difficult questions, mysteries, the unknown, prophecies that are unsolved, Christians who might have been given a dream or a vision from God that are plausible and worth looking into; then get the heck off the Eschatology forum!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you embarrassed by the question about the Julian calendar? Sorry if it makes you feel uncomfortable.
If you can't hang with difficult questions, mysteries, the unknown, prophecies that are unsolved, Christians who might have been given a dream or a vision from God that are plausible and worth looking into; then get the heck off the Eschatology forum!

What is it about Jesus saying that no one knows the day or hour of His coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13) and about Him coming unexpectedly as a thief in the night (Matt 24:42-44, Rev 16:15, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12) that you don't understand?

 

[WPM]

Are you embarrassed by the question about the Julian calendar? Sorry if it makes you feel uncomfortable.
If you can't hang with difficult questions, mysteries, the unknown, prophecies that are unsolved, Christians who might have been given a dream or a vision from God that are plausible and worth looking into; then get the heck off the Eschatology forum!

LOL. We are led by God's Word not satanic delusions.

 

[marks]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 LITV
1) But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written.
2) For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes.
3) For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape.
4) But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5) You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6) So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober.

Much love!

 

[HealthyShape]

Are you embarrassed by the question about the Julian calendar?

No, it is embarrassing to see people still trying to find a way how it could work, after it failed miserably. This inability to accept/admit reality and endless speculations is why people get fed up and leave futurism and namely dispensationalism completely.

Why don't you just let it sleep. He was wrong like so many before him and like so many that will come after him. No need to be his advocate.

 

[WPM]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 LITV
1) But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written.
2) For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes.
3) For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape.
4) But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5) You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6) So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober.

Much love!

Yes! Hello!

And what happens on that day according to the Bible? Does that even matter to Pretribbers? Do you actually read what you quote before presenting it?

Sudden destruction, and they shall not escape. It is the end! There is not imaginary 7 years trib as you have been taught. That is fiction from the Left Behind series. It is not taught in God's Book. That is why Pretribbers cannot provide one single proof text.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A confession ... I am an "Amillenial". However, it is not a hill that I intend to die on or that I find worth fighting over (I just see too much of Revelation as symbolic imagery to pluck parts out and claim "this is 100% literal").

That said, I would like to offer some [hopefully respectful] observations on End Time events (Jesus was clear that He would return) and the Bible.

• Jesus said nobody knew the day and the hour (even him).
• Jesus said it would come "like a thief in the night" ... when least expected.
• Jesus told a story about keeping oil in lamps and wicks trimmed to be ready at any time.

It seems to me that the point of the Rapture/return is that WHEN is unimportant to us. It is enough that the GROOM will return for His BRIDE ... so we have courage and hope every day that we are one day closer to "THE DAY". God has not called us to a "countdown" to his return.

1. We don't need to coast because the end is close and there is no time left.
2. We don't need to be lazy because we have lots of time before He returns.
3. We don't need to make a frantic effort to catch up because the end is near and we have been poor stewards.

The best we should hope for would be Jesus to return and find us working faithfully just like any other day ... laboring for Him ... steady, faithful, measured ... in it for the long haul. Whether He returns TODAY or in another 1000 years matters not, we would be doing the same thing in either case. Walking in the good works that God has ordained we should walk in.+

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:10

My hope would be that when the time comes, an angel taps me on the shoulder to announce "it is time" because I was so focused that I didn't even notice it had started ... I just pray that I am not embarrassed by what I am doing at that moment. [I have my good and bad moments].

Absolutely agree, good post. You are one of the few Amils who is level headed, considerate and not abusively mean to those who oppose your beliefs, thanks for that. I would like to point out that since there are many eschatological views each backed by strong arguments, we delve into these mysteries with uncertainties and naturally speculate about them. Discussions should give some latitude to this, especially in the area of dreams and visions that the Bible claims that have been and will be given by God. ( Joel 2:28 & Acts 2:17) There will be false prophets/ prophecies ... but not all of them will be false!. So it is fair to examine some that seem genuine.

 

[David in NJ]

I have been inundated with many Youtube videos about the Rapture happening on Sept. 23-24, 2025. But many of them seemed fake, fabrications generated by AI.
This is popular now, AI generated stories or ads that are very articulate, creative as if written by a Phd in Journalism. Adults and children telling stories of accidents, (NDE's), going to heaven, seeing Jesus and returning to give us a message can't possibly all express themselves like Hemingway with a keen knowledge of the Bible.
AI can develop a story as one prompts it with particular parameters, styles, in line with Biblical truths in such a brilliant way - in seconds - with access to and information sifted from 5 billion books. It is quite amazing. But that is the flaw in it, it is not communicated in a common way.
So after listening to many of these fake AI stories that are usually generated for monetary purposes, which have all taken advantage of this date to attract attention, I just about dismissed the whole idea. Btw, it is the Feast of Trumpets on Tuesday - which many have supposed the last trumpet would be part of.
I woke up this morning and a notion came to me. When did these stories start appearing? Recently, most of them in August and September this year. But where did they get this idea? There must have been an original claim, with a real person talking and giving his account. And I found one story. The difference is, this one is not a near death experience, it was a 2018 Vision by this South African Christian named Joshua.
I don't know at this point if he is the real deal ... but maybe? But his story is interesting, it doesn't seem fabricated, he doesn't sound like a liar. What say you?
Don't mean to freak you out ... I mean I have been talking about this for 25 years and anticipating His return. And so I feel like the boy who cried wolf enough times and after a while, when a wolf really came, nobody would believe him.
Just pray everyday, ask Him to bless your family and keep you safe. Be thankful for what God has given you. He will return soon. ??? Please read 1 Cor. 15:51-55 & 1 Thes. 4:16-17
BTW, this goes against my belief sbout the timing of last trumpet, which I have for years believed it was the 7th Trumpet in Rev. 11:15. Oh well.

Here it is: https://share.google/eCLgNLuK2SMR0klwm

*** PREMILLENNIAL SAFE ZONE, NO AMILLENNIALS PLEASE!

pre-trib rapture is FAKE / PHONY / LIE from satan placed in the hearts of christians thru the sin of 'respect of persons'

God is calling out to His people to REPENT from the lie of pre-trib rapture

 

[WPM]

Absolutely agree, good post. You are one of the few Amils who is level headed, considerate and not abusive mean to those who oppose your believes, thanks for that. I would like to point out that since there are many eschatological views each backed by strong arguments, we delve into these mysteries with uncertainties and a but of speculation. Discussions should give some latitude to this, especially in the area of dreams and visions that the Bible claims that have been and will be given by God. ( Joel 2:28 & Acts 2:17) There will be false prophets/ prophecies ... but not all of them will be false!. So it is fair to examine some that seem genuine.

And what camp does this so-called pastor and his recent predictions fall into?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

God is calling out to His people to REPENT from the lie of pre-trib rapture

And which bible verse was it again that said "if thou believest in the pre-trib rapture thou shalt surly burrneth in helleth"?

I need to update my notes with a bible verse that says this is salvation critical so please let me know as soon as you can.

 

[marks]

Yes! Hello!

And what happens on that day according to the Bible? Does that even matter to Pretribbers? Do you actually read what you quote before presenting it?

Sudden destruction, and they shall not escape. It is the end! There is not imaginary 7 years trib as you have been taught. That is fiction from the Left Behind series. It is not taught in God's Book. That is why Pretribbers cannot provide one single proof text.

Sorry you got triggered! Contempt isn't part of the fruit of the Spirit, so you may want to take a look at yourself.

Much love!

 

[TribulationSigns]

To All,

This is not a desperate move to rekindle life from Joshua's prediction that most of you believe now was false. But what if as Dave Watchmam's recent video revealed,

What if? What if? No—stop dodging. You refuse to admit you were wrong, and instead you’re scrambling to defend a false prophet with nonsense about Julian vs. Gregorian calendars. Joshua plainly swore it would happen on September 23—he never once mentioned any calendar loophole. And now you’re trying to throw him a lifeline? Ridiculous! What a joke you’ve made of yourself.

It's over.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Sorry you got triggered! Contempt isn't part of the fruit of the Spirit, so you may want to take a look at yourself.

Much love!

Triggered’? No, this is not about emotions—it’s about truth. As Christians, we are commanded to test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 John 4:1). That means we are to expose false prophets and false testimonies, not excuse them. Contempt is not the right word—you confuse righteous discernment with personal hostility. Scripture warns us that many deceivers have gone out into the world, and it is our duty to guard the flock, not coddle lies.

Much Wisdom, Marks!

 

[marks]

and it is our duty to guard the flock, not coddle lies.

Amen!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

he never once mentioned any calendar loophole.

Typically that save that stuff for after the date has passed and they go in to making excuses mode

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 LITV
1) But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written.
2) For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes.
3) For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape.
4) But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5) You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6) So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober.

Much love!

Mark 13

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.

34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch.

35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

 

[rockytopva]

Isaac Newton would have repeated the same line here 300 years later...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

Preachers who predicted Rapture try to explain why nothing happened

Christians are hearing from the pastor and other influencers who claimed the world was coming to an end after their biblical predictions failed to come true.

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