Doctrine of Predestination

[1stCenturyLady]

Which in no way proves or indicates that God is the One that caused Judas to turn against Jesus as the calvinists claim.

Really? How stupid and blasphemous.

 

[David Lamb]

Which in no way proves or indicates that God is the One that caused Judas to turn against Jesus as the calvinists claim.

I have never come across a Calvinist who claims That God caused Judas to betray Jesus. The bible tells us that the crucifixion of Jesus, and all that accompanied it, was foretold in Scripture, but not that God caused Judas to betray Him.

““The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”” (Mt 26:24 NKJV)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Really? How stupid and blasphemous.

Nobody would expect those that follow the demonic teachings of that murderer John Calvin to understand.

I have never come across a Calvinist who claims That God caused Judas to betray Jesus.

Apparently there's one in the post just before yours...

Maybe you could PM this person and straighten them out... or they could ask their husband to provide teaching that is actually from scripture.

 

[David Lamb]

Apparently there's one in the post just before yours...

Maybe you could PM this person and straighten them out... or they could ask their husband to provide teaching that is actually from scripture.

The post just before mine said, "Really? How stupid and blasphemous.." It seems a stretch to go from that to your belief that Calvinists in general claim that God caused Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The post just before mine said, "Really? How stupid and blasphemous.." It seems a stretch to go from that to your belief that Calvinists in general claim that God caused Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus.

It's no stretch for calvinists who believe God wants most people to burn in hell and created them for no other purpose than to go to hell. All 5 points of calvinism are heresy and cannot be proven from God's Word unless they engage in scripture twisting and ignoring scripture don't like because it doesn't fit their false teachings.

In the end the calvinists are going to find out what the Lord meant when He put in His Word that heresy is one of the things that cause people to not be accepted in His Kingdom.

So the calvinists are going to experience themselves what they claim will happen to most people and it serves them right not accepting all of what God's Word teaches and following the wisdom of evil men rather than following the Wisdom of God.

 

[David Lamb]

It's no stretch for calvinists who believe God wants most people to burn in hell and created them for no other purpose than to go to hell. All 5 points of calvinism are heresy and cannot be proven from God's Word unless they engage in scripture twisting and ignoring scripture don't like because it doesn't fit their false teachings.

In the end the calvinists are going to find out what the Lord meant when He put in His Word that heresy is one of the things that cause people to not be accepted in His Kingdom.

So the calvinists are going to experience themselves what they claim will happen to most people and it serves them right not accepting all of what God's Word teaches and following the wisdom of evil men rather than following the Wisdom of God.

Where do you get the "most people?" Calvinists are no different to anybody else in the matter of us not knowing who or how many will be saved. As for God wanting people to burn in hell, according to what we find in the Scriptures, all people by nature deserve only wrath and punishment from God. That is what makes salvation in Jesus Christ so wonderful.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Calvinists are no different to anybody else in the matter of us not knowing who or how many will be saved.

The calvinists teach so called "limited atonement" as they claim God lied in His Word when He said it was His will that none perish.

The calvinists literally believe God is a liar which is evident because they refuse to accept all the Lord says in His Word on this topic.

They got that from their father the devil who always claims God's Word is not true.

 

[David Lamb]

The calvinists teach so called "limited atonement" as they claim God lied in His Word when He said it was His will that none perish.

The calvinists literally believe God is a liar which is evident because they refuse to accept all the Lord says in His Word on this topic.

They got that from their father the devil who always claims God's Word is not true.

Calvinists certainly do not believe that God is a liar. They do believe the verses which talk about God not being willing that any should perish. But they also believe that God's word says that not everybody will be saved (sheep and goats, heaven and hell, etc.)

I would suggest that calling fellow posters children of the devil is wrong.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I would suggest that calling fellow posters children of the devil is wrong.

Those following calvinist heresy should REPENT and ask the Lord to forgive them for being tricked by the devil in to following a different "jesus" and another "gospel"

They do believe the verses which talk about God not being willing that any should perish.

No, actually they do not.

If they did they would not be teaching limited atonement.

But they also believe that God's word says that not everybody will be saved

Only universalists believe that

You must not be too knowledgeable concerning what calvinism actually teaches.

Or, you are trying to white wash calvinism so others will think it's all good when it's heresy

 

[David Lamb]

Those following calvinist heresy should REPENT and ask the Lord to forgive them for being tricked by the devil in to following a different "jesus" and another "gospel"

The doctrines I believe may be similar to what Calvin believed, but I don't believe them because Calvin taught them, but because I find things such as God's election before the foundation of the earth, predestination, and the perseverance of the saints, taught in the bible. I had not even heard of Calvin when I first believed those doctrines.

No, actually they do not.

If they did they would not be teaching limited atonement.

But don't we all (unless we are universalists, as you say below) believe in limited atonement, in that only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved, atoned for?

Only universalists believe that

You must not be too knowledgeable concerning what calvinism actually teaches.

Or, you are trying to white wash calvinism so others will think it's all good when it's heresy

I am certainly not trying to whitewash anything, just seeking to explain that what I believe is based on Scripture.

Clearly on a forum like this there are different beliefs among genuine blood-bought Christians on all sorts of things - whether baptism is for believers only, or little babies, how the Last Days will pan out, and so on. Surely we can discuss things without unpleasantness.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

But don't we all (unless we are universalists, as you say below) believe in limited atonement, in that only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved, atoned for?

Limited atonement means when Jesus went to the Cross it was only for a few.

God's Word does not teach that. The calvinists do though as they follow doctrines of demons

Surely we can discuss things without unpleasantness.

Doctrines of demons are not to be discussed.... they need to be corrected as they are works of darkness.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 

[David Lamb]

Limited atonement means when Jesus went to the Cross it was only for a few.

That seems to be a commonly-held but false idea about Calvinism. Calvinism does not say that only a few are saved. Calvinists, like other Christians, believe what we are told in Revelation about there being a multitude which no man can number in heaven.

God's Word does not teach that. The calvinists do though as they follow doctrines of demons

It would be a false doctrine if Calvinists believed and taught that only a few are saved. But they don't as I said.

Doctrines of demons are not to be discussed.... they need to be corrected as they are works of darkness.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Yes, but Calvinism is bible-based, not a doctrine of demons.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Well, you don't even know what the calvinist cult teaches...

You might be able to fool some, but you cannot fool me as I've seen the doctrines of devils that these people espouse

You really should take some time off and do a deep dive in to what the calvinist cult actually believes.

 

[David Lamb]

Well, you don't even know what the calvinist cult teaches...

You might be able to fool some, but you cannot fool me as I've seen the doctrines of devils that these people espouse

You really should take some time off and do a deep dive in to what the calvinist cult actually believes.

No I don't know what a cult teaches, because I am not in a cult. I do know what Calvinism teaches, and it certainly doesn't teach that only few are saved, as you claim it does. Far from trying to fool people, I am attempting to correct your false ideas of what Calvinism is.

 

[HealthyShape]

Definition: Limited atonement (also called “particular redemption”) is the Calvinist doctrine that Christ’s atoning death was intended to save and actually secures salvation only for the elect — those God chose for salvation — rather than for every person without distinction.

Limited atonement emphasizes assurance for believers: Christ’s death actually accomplished their redemption, so God’s purposes for them will not fail.

Calvinists teach that God elects a definite number of people for salvation (the elect), not that only a few in absolute terms will be saved.

AI

 

[brightfame52]

The calvinists teach so called "limited atonement" as they claim God lied in His Word when He said it was His will that none perish.

The calvinists literally believe God is a liar which is evident because they refuse to accept all the Lord says in His Word on this topic.

They got that from their father the devil who always claims God's Word is not true.

It is Gods will that some perish. 2 Pet 3:9 is limited to His Elect, but in the passage before, it reads this V7

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

So this certain perdition of ungodly men cant be men God doesnt want to perish. Perdition means: apōleia:

1. destroying, utter destruction
   1. of vessels
2. a perishing, ruin, destruction

There perdition punishment is fixed

 

[HealthyShape]

The calvinists teach so called "limited atonement" as they claim God lied in His Word when He said it was His will that none perish.

No, they do not claim God lied.

The calvinists literally believe God is a liar which is evident because they refuse to accept all the Lord says in His Word on this topic.

No, they do not literally believe God is a liar.

They got that from their father the devil who always claims God's Word is not true.

Your hatred towards Calvinists is obvious and unChristian.

You should repent from your false accusations.

 

[brightfame52]

Limited atonement means when Jesus went to the Cross it was only for a few.

Actually it was for many. And it was effectual, it saved the many He went to the Cross todie for.Mark 10:45

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Heb 9 28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I do know what Calvinism teaches

Actually you don't.

The cavinists try to white wash what the calvinist cult teaches to make it not look so bad in hopes that more victims can be recruited in to the cult.

I am attempting to correct your false ideas of what Calvinism is.

Here's a quote from R.C. Sproul who was one of the leading advocates for calvinism and he is claiming here that the Lord only went to the Cross for the elect... so he too is a false teacher who claims John 3:16 is a lie as he engages in subterfuge to make Calvinism seem like it doesn't teach what it does teach which is doctrines of devils.



Calvinism is not biblical and is not of the Lord so you'll have to move on and try to find someone that is naive who does not know the Lord or what His Word teaches.

Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Really? How stupid and blasphemous.

Maybe your husband can explain things to you.