Hi SavedInHim
I don't know much about eschatology...
if you wouldn't mind...
could you explain WHY that scripture is a death blow to a rapture.
Personally, I don't find a rapture anywhere in the NT.
(but I won't debate this).
Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture
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I don't know much about eschatology...
if you wouldn't mind...
could you explain WHY that scripture is a death blow to a rapture.
Personally, I don't find a rapture anywhere in the NT.
(but I won't debate this).
The brain is the body....
the mind is not part of the body...
it cannot be touched.
Science does not understand what the mind/consciousness is.
Why is Jesus returning to earth?
(your first sentence).
IF I've understood you, Jesus is making 3 returns - according to you:
Jesus return to earth (what I'm questioning)
The rapture
The resurrection
soberxp
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Taken
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Jesus came to Earth once…
Jesus returned to Heaven…
Jesus shall returns to Earth Again.
How do you figure 3?
I did say that the brain IS part of the body.
The brain has weight...it can be seen...it can be touched.
The mind cannot.
And yes.
Pay attention to nature and all that we see both inside and outside...
inside ourselves (the body) and outside ourselves (the universe)....
everything looks like a copy of everything else.
And have you ever considered this?.....
Everything is made up of either a straight line or a curved line -nothing else.
I think YOU said three Taken.
Not sure and I don't know much about the end times.
Let me go back and look again....
soberxp
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So, do you think the first stroke in the painting of God is a straight line, a curve, or a circle?
OK
It's your post above...
You said the verse is about Jesus' return to earth.
That would be ONE.
Then you speak of the rapture.
That would be TWO.
And I know for sure Jesus is coming back at the end of times.
That would make THREE.
Maybe what you could do is explain what you mean by the first ONE....
"that verse is about Jesus' return to earth".
Return when...for what reason?
TWO would be the rapture (which I don't see in scripture and I'm not going to debate it)...
THREE would be the end of the world return at the resurrection.
soberxp
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What came first the chicken or the egg?!
I believe when God first created the universe....
Everything came into being all at once...
not the line first or the curve first.
He speaks
and it happens.
What do you think?
Rapture is Jesus coming back to remove the saved from the earth so they won't have to go through the tribulation period.
Resurrection is when Jesus comes back at the end of times and everyone that has ever lived is resurrected to their body...
the glorified body.
I don't know much about eschatology but I'm sure about the above.
soberxp
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I think God drew a circle first, because all substances are composed of circular molecules, which seems to suggest that God has a particular fondness for circular things.
LoL.
But the smallest unit is not molecules，atoms, particles, and so on, but waves.
soberxp
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Some on these Forums believe this.
The Assembly of God denomination believes this.
The CC does not.
Many write about it.
Personally, I don't believe in the rapture because it would mean that Jesus has to come back 2X.
I think He's coming back only 1X...at then end of the age for the ressurection.
Do you believe the rapture is biblical?
soberxp
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In the Bible the rapture is the resurrection,
raptrue Used to describe the feeling of resurrection,
But it is understood that believers are taken from the world while they are alive.
How is it that they are both alive and raised with Jesus Christ?
How is it that they are both alive and raised with Jesus Christ when resurrection?
Hey @GodsGrace how have you been? I would say that the scriptures speak of us meeting him in the air and it also speaks of him coming in his glory to destroy the antichrist now these might be the same event but it also could be seen as two seperate events because of the meeting in the air part at least that is what I have seen people argue.
To be honest I myself am not entirely sure if they are the same event because there does seem to be a difference when you read them back to back but I personally thiink it is more likely that yes it is one event
GRACE ambassador
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@Cross8527 and @GodsGrace, these may be helpful as a place to start, eh?:
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided.
Amen.
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided.
Amen.
Taken
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No.
Seven years safety from wrath.
Rapture IS:
An Escape from the Great Trib.
- (not appointed to suffer wrath)
A Redemption.
- (being claimed by He who saved him)
A Resurrection.
- Risen up in their new body above the Earth, to meet their Lord.
Return to Earth When and With the Lord, when He Returns.
Similar thing that happened to Noah & (family) (First Great Trib)
(Small world population / 8 saved)
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