Rapture ... soon?

[PinSeeker]

The "SUDDENLY" applies directly to each person's extremely brief life on this earth.

Nope:

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man" (Matthew 24).

And:

"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot ~ they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all ~ so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed" (Luke 17).

The destruction of the wicked will come suddenly and swiftly, and they will be completely unaware until it is upon them.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[MatthewG]

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man" (Matthew 24).

What they were marrying was the LAW. They sided with marriage to the law, and said forget God altogether.

The Law, and them being opposed to Gods will, signified them as Satan...

So.... They were blinded. God made them blind by their choices.

 

[JohnDB]

Thats why I love satire... Apparently one way to do it is post, and then throw away the account. Huh maybe it did happen already... - Jinkies! -

This is a reason why AI cannot exegete scripture. It's really really bad at it.

God, for whatever reason loves the creative Arts.

All of the poetry, the craftsmanship, and creative talents that we can create. God loves these things. Because AI cannot do it.

From wood carvings, poetry, music, paintings, Mosaics, and etc....God inspires all of it and loves it. All the best top prophets were experts at sarcasm, dry wit, satirical and etc. Jesus did it just like his Father did.

So, if you have a hobby...have a good time. Explore it, work at it, become better and better at it.

 

[MatthewG]

This is a reason why AI cannot exegete scripture. It's really really bad at it.

God, for whatever reason loves the creative Arts.

All of the poetry, the craftsmanship, and creative talents that we can create. God loves these things. Because AI cannot do it.

From wood carvings, poetry, music, paintings, Mosaics, and etc....God inspires all of it and loves it. All the best top prophets were experts at sarcasm, dry wit, satirical and etc. Jesus did it just like his Father did.

So, if you have a hobby...have a good time. Explore it, work at it, become better and better at it.

My comments;

AI is a powerful tool—helpful for writing, learning, and growing.
It’s not a replacement for wisdom, but it’s a companion in the process. I wish I could attend a 90-day rehab and soak in everything they offer, but for now, I walk this road alone. Still, AI has been a solid help along the way.


Let’s be clear: I’m not saying worship AI. That would be foolish.
The Word says, “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3).
True worship belongs to God alone—“in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24). That’s the kind of worship that transforms.


Every time I speak about Jesus not lying to the people He promised to return for—nor the apostles misleading anyone—someone throws out ‘double prophecy.’
But Jesus Himself said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).
So what are we doing, twisting His words into something He explicitly said wouldn’t happen again?


It’s frustrating, sure. But I’ll keep seeking truth, even if it’s messy.
And if AI can help me articulate that truth with clarity and conviction, then I’ll use it—not as a god, but as a tool in the hands of someone who worships the One who is.

 

[PinSeeker]

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man" (Matthew 24).

What they were marrying was the LAW. They sided with marriage to the law, and said forget God altogether.

The Law, and them being opposed to Gods will, signified them as Satan...

So.... They were blinded. God made them blind by their choices.

Hm, I thought you were ignoring me. <chuckles> Oh well, I guess not...

Anyhoo, your "answer" here is a total non sequitur... what are you even talking about? ...in addition to being nonsensical. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, though.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jerusalem was besieged by the Roman army on April 14th, 70 CE, just days before Passover that year. The timing was strategic—Roman forces under General Titus allowed pilgrims to enter the city for the festival but then blocked their exit, intensifying the strain on food and water supplies inside the cityBritannica.

This siege marked a pivotal moment in the First Jewish–Roman War, ultimately leading to the destruction of the Second Temple and a profound transformation in Jewish history and religious practice.

If you're exploring this for a creative project, Matthew, the symbolism of Passover—freedom and deliverance—clashing with the onset of destruction could be a powerful motif. Want to riff on that?

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[JohnDB]

My comments;

AI is a powerful tool—helpful for writing, learning, and growing.
It’s not a replacement for wisdom, but it’s a companion in the process. I wish I could attend a 90-day rehab and soak in everything they offer, but for now, I walk this road alone. Still, AI has been a solid help along the way.


Let’s be clear: I’m not saying worship AI. That would be foolish.
The Word says, “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3).
True worship belongs to God alone—“in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24). That’s the kind of worship that transforms.


Every time I speak about Jesus not lying to the people He promised to return for—nor the apostles misleading anyone—someone throws out ‘double prophecy.’
But Jesus Himself said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).
So what are we doing, twisting His words into something He explicitly said wouldn’t happen again?


It’s frustrating, sure. But I’ll keep seeking truth, even if it’s messy.
And if AI can help me articulate that truth with clarity and conviction, then I’ll use it—not as a god, but as a tool in the hands of someone who worships the One who is.

The AIs can help tremendously by collecting popular wisdom....all the famous theologians and preachers who had written thoughts about scriptures. And that is sometimes disconcerting.....not always but sometimes.

Because there have been times in history when popular wisdom were abject failures.

Some have been outstanding failures ....such as when the Jews did not recognize their Messiah.

AI is a data tool....it helps find and spit out desired information. It sucks for subjective opinions. ChatGPT and Gemeni have some serious issues with outputs....others are better with sourcing outputs.

However....asking for bits and pieces of information on subjects of science (history, anthropology, topography, geography, zoology, botany, and meteriology) It's a huge help.

Hermeneutics is a BLEND of art as well as science. You are to be commended for looking beyond flat reading. (It's much more than most accomplish) I'm not suggesting that you are doing anything wrong...I will only encourage you to seek the many details of scripture out for yourself so that you can draw your own conclusions and after that see if the others are in any sort of agreement with you.

Scripture study is a life long persuit....nobody is ever done. I'm not done....never will be. I'm just slower than I used to be..

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Think both of you need to re-read Revelation..If you read and understand it, you get a blessing from God. (His WOrds)

I've been studying Revelation for 25 years. I needed to work hard at it in order to include a chapter in my book about it, "Hell ... If I Know!" Not to promote the book, but just to say, I have devoted much time over the years. I have been blessed from doing so. To actually live through this time period is quite exciting.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

NEWS FLASH: TRUMP AND NETANYAHU JUST ANNOUNCED A PEACE TREATY INVOLVING THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST. Hamas must cooperate and within 72 hours, release all the hostages.

>> Now many are waiting for this prophetic sign to be fulfilled:

"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape". 1 Thes. 5:3

Just reporting this, not claiming the END IS UPON US ... or them.

 

[HealthyShape]

I mean, I hope Jesus comes quickly, as John did, in Revelation 22... And John was very, very old ~ probably well into his 80s at least ~ when he wrote that around the year 95 A.D. or so...

1. I think there is enough evidence to prove that the book of Revelation was written before 70 AD

2. I do not believe that the faith of the first church for Jesus to come in their lifes failed. Their inspiration would need to fail in quite a huge thing. If they were wrong in eschatology, what else were they wrong in? Do you have a view that they were not inspired?

 

[shepherdsword]

I have been inundated with many Youtube videos about the Rapture happening on Sept. 23-24, 2025. But many of them seemed fake, fabrications generated by AI.
This is popular now, AI generated stories or ads that are very articulate, creative as if written by a Phd in Journalism. Adults and children telling stories of accidents, (NDE's), going to heaven, seeing Jesus and returning to give us a message can't possibly all express themselves like Hemingway with a keen knowledge of the Bible.
AI can develop a story as one prompts it with particular parameters, styles, in line with Biblical truths in such a brilliant way - in seconds - with access to and information sifted from 5 billion books. It is quite amazing. But that is the flaw in it, it is not communicated in a common way.
So after listening to many of these fake AI stories that are usually generated for monetary purposes, which have all taken advantage of this date to attract attention, I just about dismissed the whole idea. Btw, it is the Feast of Trumpets on Tuesday - which many have supposed the last trumpet would be part of.
I woke up this morning and a notion came to me. When did these stories start appearing? Recently, most of them in August and September this year. But where did they get this idea? There must have been an original claim, with a real person talking and giving his account. And I found one story. The difference is, this one is not a near death experience, it was a 2018 Vision by this South African Christian named Joshua.
I don't know at this point if he is the real deal ... but maybe? But his story is interesting, it doesn't seem fabricated, he doesn't sound like a liar. What say you?
Don't mean to freak you out ... I mean I have been talking about this for 25 years and anticipating His return. And so I feel like the boy who cried wolf enough times and after a while, when a wolf really came, nobody would believe him.
Just pray everyday, ask Him to bless your family and keep you safe. Be thankful for what God has given you. He will return soon. ??? Please read 1 Cor. 15:51-55 & 1 Thes. 4:16-17
BTW, this goes against my belief sbout the timing of last trumpet, which I have for years believed it was the 7th Trumpet in Rev. 11:15. Oh well.

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*** PREMILLENNIAL SAFE ZONE, NO AMILLENNIALS PLEASE!

It's been 14 days and it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jerusalem and Judea. Why? Because Jesus was talking about Jerusalem and Judea, the whole time:

Matthew's version:
When you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Mark's version:
So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go back inside to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Luke's more direct version:
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city. For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written."

There is nothing about the tribulation to be all over the planet or similar. It simply is not in the text.

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[HealthyShape]

When did God say: the culmination(of the preaching gospel) was supposed to happen in the 1st century"???

The culmination (end) of ages, not of preaching the gospel.

Gospel is being preached even after the kingdom of God came. It is how we enter it. Gospel being preached to the world/nations (through Peter, Paul and others) was a sign that had to happen before the coming, not something that will ever end.

 

[HealthyShape]

>> Now many are waiting for this prophetic sign to be fulfilled:

"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape". 1 Thes. 5:3

Just reporting this, not claiming the END IS UPON US ... or them.

You always say "A" and then you add "I am not saying A, I am just reporting". No, you are not just reporting.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You always say "A" and then you add "I am not saying A, I am just reporting". No, you are not just reporting.

You always say "A" and then you add "I am not saying A, I am just reporting". No, you are not just reporting.

Prophecy and how it pans out is mysterious. We are all uncertain of exactly how things will pan out and so we speculate, postulate, try to fit the pieces if the puzzle in place.
Whether you realize it or not, the Day of the Lord may be sooner than you think.
Pre-Mil ( mostly Pre-Tribbers) speak of a Peace Treaty that is a significant piece of the puzzle. And so when they say Peace and Safety, sudden destruction happens.
Will it? I don't freaking know ... I'm speculating. If you are an Amillennial, you'll reject everything about this end time puzzle. If you want to retain your health and stay in good shape, you'll have to try harder to understand the times we are living in.

 

[David in NJ]

You do not realize what is going to happen when the restrainer is removed during the Rapture. The World will find evil has become unbearable.

The 'Restrainer' is not the Church

The world is embracing evil.

The evil will be unbearable for those who are not part of it.

 

[David in NJ]

The culmination (end) of ages, not of preaching the gospel.

Gospel is being preached even after the kingdom of God came. It is how we enter it. Gospel being preached to the world/nations (through Peter, Paul and others) was a sign that had to happen before the coming, not something that will ever end.

The Gospel is the Kingdom of God.

The culmination of ages is dependent upon the Gospel.

You have it in reverse.

 

[David in NJ]

The culmination (end) of ages, not of preaching the gospel.

Gospel is being preached even after the kingdom of God came. It is how we enter it. Gospel being preached to the world/nations (through Peter, Paul and others) was a sign that had to happen before the coming, not something that will ever end.

The Gospel is the Kingdom of God.

The culmination of ages is dependent upon the Gospel.

You have it in reverse.

 

[David in NJ]

Agreed except for Matt. 24:14. This is the key event that triggers the end. The gospel has been preached throughout the world to every nation. This had recently been accomplished and inlybin our generation. Likey every tribe as well. But obviously we continue to get to individuals, which could never be completly fulfilled with almost 400k born everyday. Likely every adult has heard the gospel. So the beginning of the end is at hand.

Good Morning Brother = i AGREE your assessment here

 

[David in NJ]

<chuckles>


Hmmm... Well, I don't disagree, at least not yet... <smile> I think I know, but so as not to put words in your mouth, David, to what are you referring? I'll just say that the "man of lawlessness" Paul speaks of in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is synonymous with the antichrist that John speaks of in his epistles. So, did John intend for us to envision some particular person as the antichrist, or did he mean that any self-conscious opponent of the faith is an antichrist (1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 7)? I say the latter, and in the same way, by "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul was not speaking of one particular person either. One thing we can be sure of: There will always be political beasts and ecclesiastical antichrists who seek to oppose the truth, and we must always be on our guard against them. And there will be more and more of them as the end of the age approaches. It's a common thing to refer to a corporation... as a large business entity made up of many people... as "the man." That's how that passage is to be read.

As for Jesus, what he does say, in Matthew 24, is, "many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray," (v 5) and "many false prophets will arise and lead many astray... because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold... the one who endures to the end will be saved" (vv 11-13).

Still, though, you may be referring to something else...

Grace and peace to you.

Good Morning

Have to step out - see you later today