WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

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The Holy Spirit is the power of God poured out upon all flesh--both on the good and on the evil. With which comes the terms regarding blasphemy. Add to that, Jesus saying, to and of those He sends "it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."

Dangerous times indeed.

That is not truth!

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 
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As far as I understand, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit isn’t just disagreement—it’s calling what is good, evil. Jesus said in Matthew 12:32, “Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”

But even that, I believe, is about hardened denial—calling the Spirit’s work demonic, not simply misunderstanding.

If someone repents and turns from that perception, wouldn’t God restore them?
Jesus gave the terms, and there are more than a few who call down those sent to speak the things of the Spirit--speaking to the Spirit, thinking they are butting heads with a would-be fellow servant. That is why Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

But that was before the Holy Spirit was sent to speak as appointed by Christ--not their words, not even the Holy Spirits words--but Christ's words. As He has said, "He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
 

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Jesus gave the terms, and there are more than a few who call down those sent to speak the things of the Spirit--speaking to the Spirit, thinking they are butting heads with a would-be fellow servant. That is why Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

But that was before the Holy Spirit was sent to speak as appointed by Christ--not their words, not even the Holy Spirits words--but Christ's words. As He has said, "He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
I get it—but it seems like you’re making this more about yourself and whatever message fits the moment, especially with your website and the push to sell books. That’s fine. I’m not bothered by it.


But let’s be honest: it feels like the focus is on you—your platform, your claim to be a prophet, and your products. If you’ve admitted that before, then I don’t think you’d mind me bringing it up again so others can be aware. People deserve to know what they’re being asked to believe.


You can quote scripture all day—that doesn’t bother me. But I don’t trust you.
And I don’t trust you to teach me anything.
 
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So why is it that when someone follows what they believe the Spirit has revealed through scripture, they’re treated like the problem?

About the person saying I have the devil in my heart...I counseled him according to Scripture that he should work in order to provide for his family, rather than just seek donations. He won't listen to Scripture and he told me not to answer his posts.
 

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About the person saying I have the devil in my heart...I counseled him according to Scripture that he should work in order to provide for his family, rather than just seek donations. He won't listen to Scripture and he told me not to answer his posts.

That kind of behavior—whether rooted in jealousy or mental instability—often reveals deeper spiritual unrest. It may not be anything personal against you; it could simply be the result of a paranoid, chaotic mindset that I’m not equipped to engage or heal.


But God sees it all. He knows the hearts of the broken and the sick. And while the sickness is tragic, we can still trust in His mercy.


  • Psalm 103:13–14 — “As a father shows compassion to his children, so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust.”
  • Matthew 9:12 — “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.”

Even when motives are twisted, God can still use it for good. I’m reminded of Paul’s words in Philippians 1:15–18:




“Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from goodwill… What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.”





So even if the message comes from a conflicted heart, if Christ is truly being preached, God can still work through it. Judgment belongs to Him—not us.
 
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The Holy Spirit is the power of God poured out upon all flesh--both on the good and on the evil. With which comes the terms regarding blasphemy. Add to that, Jesus saying, to and of those He sends "it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."

Dangerous times indeed.

When Peter says the Spirit shall be poured out on ALL people, it was to emphasize that the Spirit of God is NOT limited to Jews only, but rather shall be unto whosoever believes the Gospel, including Gentiles (All people of faith).
 

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  • Humility — admitting we might be wrong
  • Repentance — turning back to truth
  • Wise counsel — seeking help from trusted spiritual and mental health guides
The above is good counsel.
 

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I know you claim you are someone who is under direct authority from God and supposedly are a self-proclaimed prophet. You said those things yourself, to me openly before, idk if you have changed your position or not.

So if someone denies you are they denying the holy spirit?
Yes. He thinks he is the voice of God.
 
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That is not truth!

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Muslims actually believe that Mohammad is the Comforter who Jesus would send (who we know is the Holy Ghost)

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Even the Spirit of truth

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me

But how does that Mohammad get inside you though? lol

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 
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Jesus gave the terms, and there are more than a few who call down those sent to speak the things of the Spirit--speaking to the Spirit, thinking they are butting heads with a would-be fellow servant. That is why Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

But that was before the Holy Spirit was sent to speak as appointed by Christ--not their words, not even the Holy Spirits words--but Christ's words. As He has said, "He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."

Jesus himself spake by commandment and not of himself

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus said,

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And again,

Having said, " I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things."

Jesus also said,

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
 
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I know you claim you are someone who is under direct authority from God and supposedly are a self-proclaimed prophet. You said those things yourself, to me openly before, idk if you have changed your position or not.

So if someone denies you are they denying the holy spirit?
I have said many things and have given my testimony, but am not "self-proclaimed", but rather have confirmed what is written of me.

Whether one denies me or not is simply missing the point, that what I have said is written and was to come just as I have given witness.
 

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Is it crossing into schizophrenia territory when people claim to receive messages from God—especially when those messages predict something specific happening today, and the prophecy fails to come true?


Biblically, prophecy is a sacred responsibility. God does speak to His people, but He also warns against false prophecy:


  • Jeremiah 23:16 — “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; they speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord.”
  • Deuteronomy 18:22 — “When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken.”

So when someone repeatedly predicts events that don’t happen, it’s not just a theological error—it’s a sign that they may be speaking from their own imagination, not from the Spirit of God.


Now, does that mean they’re schizophrenic? Not necessarily.


Schizophrenia is a clinical condition involving hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thinking. It’s a medical diagnosis, not a spiritual label. But if someone insists they’re hearing from God while consistently making false predictions, and especially if they show signs of confusion, paranoia, or detachment from reality, it’s wise to consider both spiritual and psychological discernment.


Scripture calls us to test everything:


  • 1 John 4:1 — “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
  • 1 Thessalonians 5:20–21 — “Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.”

The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). He leads us into truth (John 16:13), not deception. So if someone’s “prophetic” experiences are chaotic, fear-driven, or consistently inaccurate, it’s not schizophrenia by default—but it may be a spiritual misalignment, and possibly a mental health concern.


Ultimately, false prophecy is dangerous—not just because it misleads others, but because it can isolate the person from correction, accountability, and healing. Whether the root is spiritual error, emotional trauma, or mental illness, the solution begins with humility, repentance, and wise counsel.
Some truth there of course, but I would point out that "God is not the author of confusion" is a poor and misleading translation. "Author" was added, and "confusion" is better understood as "unstable." Indeed, God is not unstable--but He most certainly was the Author of confusion at Babel.
 

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Basically you are still claiming to be a prophet of God, and you need to be adhered to? Unanswered post number 12.

Im good scotta, I dont really want to attend these meetings anymore.

Im just gonna mute your posts.


God doesnt have favorites, so everyone is equal ... God has love for the unbeliever, and the believer.
Patience Matthew, I have answered you.
 

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I dont think it matters to talk to this guy anymore, Imma just leave him to himself. I can't take it anymore... Personally. Don't know if he will ever change from his already made ideas and beliefs. But he says belief doesnt matter so it is not resourceful.

so what you believe doesnt matter.

Unless you believe him and accept his way.

thats what I have really gathered in my times talking to him, might be untrue though.


and I get no one beliving me and my absurd claims thats cool and fine.
You misquote me, saying what I never said. Surely you are more than tried. You poor thing!
That is not truth!

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
That passage is true, but you have not reconciled it with Jer 5:45, Joel 2:28, and Acts 2:17...and therefore are wrong.
 

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I get it—but it seems like you’re making this more about yourself and whatever message fits the moment, especially with your website and the push to sell books. That’s fine. I’m not bothered by it.


But let’s be honest: it feels like the focus is on you—your platform, your claim to be a prophet, and your products. If you’ve admitted that before, then I don’t think you’d mind me bringing it up again so others can be aware. People deserve to know what they’re being asked to believe.


You can quote scripture all day—that doesn’t bother me. But I don’t trust you.
And I don’t trust you to teach me anything.
Did you not even read the Original Post--Who did I quote, me? But here you are accusing me and with disdain.

It is not my focus that is off or on me--but yours. Remove first that post in your own eye...and your foot out of your mouth. You are speaking to more than me.
 

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When Peter says the Spirit shall be poured out on ALL people, it was to emphasize that the Spirit of God is NOT limited to Jews only, but rather shall be unto whosoever believes the Gospel, including Gentiles (All people of faith).
Peter was quoting Joel the prophet. Which does not stipulate "all people of faith" as you have.
 

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I've had someone here accuse me of having the devil in my heart or similar quite a few times. I overlook what he says because I know it's not true, but that's a horrible thing to say to another born again Christian.
Yes,it's not true.
It is sin in you,not you.
It is sin, not you want to be that.
Romans 7
 

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The Bible says the Holy spirit gives life,
How can be a Christian who gives death.

Christ + ian (sounds as "in ")=in Christ or Christ in us.
 
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The Holy Spirit is the power of God poured out upon all flesh--both on the good and on the evil. With which comes the terms regarding blasphemy. Add to that, Jesus saying, to and of those He sends "it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."

Dangerous times indeed.

The context of " it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you" starts here

Matt 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

These were to whom he gave the same

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Notice Jesus tells them "Go not into the way of the Gentiles there"

Saying to them here down further

Matt 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you

And they were still adressing the rulers and elders of Israel here even (that which was previously quoted)

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

The Holy Ghost did not come upon the Gentiles until 5 chapters later Acts 10:44-45
 

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Peter was quoting Joel the prophet. Which does not stipulate "all people of faith" as you have.

Yes, ALL does mean all who are of faith! It certainly does not mean that evil unbelievers shall also receive the Spirit sent from Christ. You bear false witness through your understanding of the word "all"!
 
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