WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[amigo de christo]

You just limited the God.

Let me guess its time to take GOD outta the box .
You all have been decieved badly .
I DIDNT LIMIT GOD
nor did what the other person said LIMIT GOD .
ITS JUST GOD CANNOT LIE and that is something this generation , WHO TOOK HIM OUTTA THE BIBLE
in order to reshape a god into their liking , HAS MADE HIM OUT TO BE .
HE CANT LIE my friend .
But you all say he can . You call JESUS a liar .
TRY looking at what HE said about unbeleif in him .
GOD , WHO IS TRUTH , as is his words Truth , cannot lie .
But you and many pastors seem to say THE GOD OF THE BIBLE is the liar
HIS WORDS we cast out . GUESS YA MADE GOD a little TOO BIG .
YES i am mocking the heck out of those who sold us that lie .
WE CANT KEEP GOD IN A BOX LIE . it was all a ruse .
Seems many love it though .

 

[amigo de christo]

My view is that whether people accept or reject God's gift, this process itself is one where the seed has already been sown. Only God can make the seed grow—we can't.

Even professional agricultural experts or hardworking farmers cannot make the seed grow; only God can.

The question is WHAT SEED was planted . was it the tare or was it the wheat .
IF one accepts NOT , BELEIVES NOT JESUS is the CHRIST
that is the planting of the tare . that seed no matter how it sprouts and grows into even the largest most fruit producing
tree ever known to man
WAS ROTTED from the root to the fruit and its fruit will prove it so .
I know full well GOD alone can only give the increase .
BUT allowing folks to believe in any way the HOLY SPIRIT is poured out to unbelievers who rejected CHRIST
IS A FAT LIE .
So many want to beleive in a off shoot form of some kind of universal salvation or whatever .
MAY I , MIGHT I , SUGGEST , PLEAD , BEG and WARN , ITS BIBLE TIME friend .
too many been sitting under men who tickled ears for far too long .

 

[MatthewG]

Many people see Jesus as a good man, a prophet—which He was—and a teacher of moral truth. But that alone isn’t enough for salvation. Scripture is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him” (John 3:36).


Salvation requires more than admiration—it demands heartfelt significance, a deep desire for spiritual things over the earthly. “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” (Colossians 3:2).


When it comes to speaking against the Holy Spirit—like accusing Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub (Satan)—that’s a serious matter. Jesus said, “Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32). That kind of rejection reveals a hardened heart, and what’s needed is repentance—a complete change of mind and heart.


I love context. One verse alone rarely tells the whole story. When you take a chapter, study it verse by verse, and build upon it, your understanding deepens. You begin to see the narrative unfold, and your spiritual discernment grows. “Precept upon precept, line upon line…” (Isaiah 28:10).


Anyone who says you can’t figure it out without their help is mistaken. Sure, you can listen to others and weigh what they say, but remember—you have a real Father to go to. “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God… and it will be given to him” (James 1:5). Through the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Christ—you can be guided into truth. And yes, even with a computer, you can document your insights, cross-reference scripture, and build a stronger understanding for yourself.


That doesn’t mean I’ve figured everything out. I don’t know it all. But I walk in faith, hope, and love—“And the greatest of these is love” (1 Corinthians 13:13). Anything good in me comes from Yeshua. Whether people understand me or not doesn’t change that. If they choose ignorance or rest in their own conclusions, that’s between them and God.


I’ve tried to plant seeds and water them, but only God gives the increase—“So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase” (1 Corinthians 3:7).


And if someone like Scotta says none of this means anything… well, that’s their choice. But I know the truth still stands.

I still find this highly important. WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[lforrest]

Hi Forest,

Your above application is indeed true of the sons of men--of flesh and blood--that is the distinction. And yet, what changed with His coming, and then His ascension?

But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matthew 12:28​

At Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the deciples. As Jesus said he must go before the helper would come, I believe the Holy Spirit to be the same Spirit that was in Christ while he lived on the earth.

The timing was likely to not confuse the disciples, and to show that the Spirit of Christ was being given to them. But the Holy Spirit must have been present on the earth even in parallel with Christ's earthly ministry. But that wouldn't be true if Jesus never accended.

So now followers of Christ have the Holy Spirit within them, like Jesus did in his earthly ministry.

 

[ScottA]

Many people see Jesus as a good man, a prophet—which He was—and a teacher of moral truth. But that alone isn’t enough for salvation. Scripture is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him” (John 3:36).


Salvation requires more than admiration—it demands heartfelt significance, a deep desire for spiritual things over the earthly. “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” (Colossians 3:2).


When it comes to speaking against the Holy Spirit—like accusing Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub (Satan)—that’s a serious matter. Jesus said, “Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32). That kind of rejection reveals a hardened heart, and what’s needed is repentance—a complete change of mind and heart.


I love context. One verse alone rarely tells the whole story. When you take a chapter, study it verse by verse, and build upon it, your understanding deepens. You begin to see the narrative unfold, and your spiritual discernment grows. “Precept upon precept, line upon line…” (Isaiah 28:10).


Anyone who says you can’t figure it out without their help is mistaken. Sure, you can listen to others and weigh what they say, but remember—you have a real Father to go to. “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God… and it will be given to him” (James 1:5). Through the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Christ—you can be guided into truth. And yes, even with a computer, you can document your insights, cross-reference scripture, and build a stronger understanding for yourself.


That doesn’t mean I’ve figured everything out. I don’t know it all. But I walk in faith, hope, and love—“And the greatest of these is love” (1 Corinthians 13:13). Anything good in me comes from Yeshua. Whether people understand me or not doesn’t change that. If they choose ignorance or rest in their own conclusions, that’s between them and God.


I’ve tried to plant seeds and water them, but only God gives the increase—“So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase” (1 Corinthians 3:7).


And if someone like Scotta says none of this means anything… well, that’s their choice. But I know the truth still stands.

You justify yourself--then you continue to accuse me without justification--saying "if?"

 

[shepherdsword]

And you apparently do not understand the terms of "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Which Said of Himself, but also of all who are sent: "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”

What has this to do with you claiming people were blaspheming the Spirit?

That is how this works.

But it is not I who is "extrapolating", but Christ who has gone to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit extrapolating all that was first revealed in the flesh to be manifest in the Spirit.

You blew a personal insult all out of proportion and claimed it was an unforgivable sin. That's EXTREME extrapolation.

I never claimed to be a prophet. But what I have claimed is written of me--which if you have not the Spirit to know of it, it is not that you do not know the words, but rather that you have not made the connection--which connection you nor I make, but Him who sent me.

Where is what you have claimed written of you? Who are you claiming sent you?

 

[amigo de christo]

At Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the deciples. As Jesus said he must go before the helper would come, I believe the Holy Spirit to be the same Spirit that was in Christ while he lived on the earth.

The timing was likely to not confuse the disciples, and to show that the Spirit of Christ was being given to them. But the Holy Spirit must have been present on the earth even in parallel with Christ's earthly ministry. But that wouldn't be true if Jesus never accended.

So now followers of Christ have the Holy Spirit within them, like Jesus did in his earthly ministry.

You bet the HOLY SPIRIT was present in Christs minstiry
and you bet HE IS that SPIRIT .
Look real closely at his own words .
HE even says HE IS WITH YOU and shall come unto YOU .
I , AS IN HIM , I WILL NOT LEAVE you comfortless , I WILL COME UNTO YOU .
In fact HE goes on to say ME AND MY FATHER will A BODE upon that man .
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD . you are correct my friend .
AND also HAD JESUS NOT ascended , THE SPIRIT could NOT have come upon them . SO right you are on that too .
JESUS says THIS AS WELL . oh yeah , ITS BIBLE FEASTING TIME in the house .
GOD put a great love for reading the bible upon my heart . AND BY THE SPIRIT
building up my faith upon such lovely words , i have grown over the years .
NOtice i did not say ME did , I SAID GOD DID . it was HIS grace . Now to the trenches one and all
cause the most powerful WHORE , MOTHER of all HARLOTS rests not
And through her smooth ecumincal speeches for unity , SHE HAS TOTALLY decieved this people . That ho and her doctrine ,
GOTTA GO . we shall have no part in it .

 

[ScottA]

At Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the deciples. As Jesus said he must go before the helper would come, I believe the Holy Spirit to be the same Spirit that was in Christ while he lived on the earth.

The timing was likely to not confuse the disciples, and to show that the Spirit of Christ was being given to them. But the Holy Spirit must have been present on the earth even in parallel with Christ's earthly ministry. But that wouldn't be true if Jesus never accended.

So now followers of Christ have the Holy Spirit within them, like Jesus did in his earthly ministry.

Not just "upon the disciples", but upon "all flesh" as the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy, accredited by Peter.

But yes, now followers of Christ (those born again of the spirit of God) have the Holy Spirit within them. But that is not "all flesh." Nor, even among those who have the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of any measure beyond what they believe.

In other words, if one does not believe that the Holy Spirit entering into them is Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit as One--which They are--then they do not have the full Spirit or knowledge of Christ..."by that same measure"...until they do, if not now, then only when they see Him face to face.

 

[MatthewG]

At Pentecost the Holy Spirit came upon the deciples. As Jesus said he must go before the helper would come, I believe the Holy Spirit to be the same Spirit that was in Christ while he lived on the earth.

The timing was likely to not confuse the disciples, and to show that the Spirit of Christ was being given to them. But the Holy Spirit must have been present on the earth even in parallel with Christ's earthly ministry. But that wouldn't be true if Jesus never accended.

So now followers of Christ have the Holy Spirit within them, like Jesus did in his earthly ministry.

From my point of view the holy spirit changed, to the Spirit of Christ which lives within us now.

From my point of view, what was once known as the Holy Spirit has, in this age of fulfillment, become manifest as the Spirit of Christ dwelling within us. This isn’t a contradiction—it’s a deepening of revelation.
Paul writes, “Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His” (Romans 8:9). That same Spirit is the one Jesus promised would come: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever—the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17).
The Spirit of Christ is not separate from the Holy Spirit—it is the indwelling presence of God’s own nature, given to those who believe. “Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27).
So yes, the Spirit has shifted from being upon people to being within them. That’s the mystery revealed: “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16).


I still use Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ conjunctively, but I do believe they are very different, yet one together in the purpose of God's desire and will, in which we find comfort and compassion even for ourselves.

 

[ScottA]

What has this to do with you claiming people were blaspheming the Spirit?

Because among those who are sent it is not them who speak, but the Spirit. Do you not understand this?

 

[shepherdsword]

As I have already said:

Here's something else you need to understand. In many cases where you see "All" it is used as a synecdoche. google synecdoche. It can be enlightening.

 

[shepherdsword]

Because among those who are sent it is not them who speak, but the Spirit. Do you not understand this?

I understand Jesus never said those who blasphemed him were blaspheming the Spirit. It was a special and separate kind of evil. Are you claiming to be one who is "sent"? You claimed it was "written of me" but you dodged when I asked where. So let's hear it if you claim to speak ex cathedra.

 

[ScottA]

You blew a personal insult all out of proportion and claimed it was an unforgivable sin. That's EXTREME extrapolation.

You mean like when Jesus said to Peter "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven"--instead of just saying, "Very good Peter...see you next week at bible study?"

Like I said--just like Jesus did--"That is how this works."

 

[Muna]

Yes, ALL does mean all who are of faith! It certainly does not mean that evil unbelievers shall also receive the Spirit sent from Christ. You bear false witness through your understanding of the word "all"!

We do see there that when the Holy Spirit was poured out, observers began to question what all that was about

Peter said that what they were experiencing was that which was spoken by Joel here

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Followed by his testimony of Jesus Christ and when asked what they should do it says

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

And again,

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And after they heard, and believed even as Paul said,

Ephes 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

And so after they believed they were sealed with the holy Spirit of God

Ephes 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The Holy Spirit is the living water those who believed in Him would recieve after Jesus was glorified

All flesh to me is those who believe whether in nation of Israel (to whom he was sent) and beyond (all nations)
or the Gentiles (and so all flesh).

 

[amigo de christo]

Because among those who are sent it is not them who speak, but the Spirit. Do you not understand this?

DO you understand THIS
TEST the spirits . and dont just heed every word a man says .
You aint GODS special annointed one . YOU GONNA GET TESTED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE . hear that . HEAR IT .
As i also expect everyone to test me too .
WE AINT GOD buddy . YOU AINT GOD , I AINT GOD .
TEST ALL MEN . AND you bet i am gonna expose any and every false teaching . AND go ahead accuse me
of blasphemy of the holy ghost . YOU GETTING TESTED friend , AND may all TEST MY words too .
AND KEEP testing everything i say , AS WELL AS MR SCOTTA does . WE AINT GOD scott . time to come down
off that pedastool .

 

[shepherdsword]

You mean like when Jesus said to Peter "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven"--instead of just saying, "Very good Peter...see you next week at bible study?"

Like I said--just like Jesus did--"That is how this works."

Jesus never claimed that someone who challenged or criticized him was blaspheming the Spirit. Do you not understand this?

 

[ScottA]

What has this to do with you claiming people were blaspheming the Spirit?

You blew a personal insult all out of proportion and claimed it was an unforgivable sin. That's EXTREME extrapolation.

Where is what you have claimed written of you? Who are you claiming sent you?

God has sent me. As for where it is written of me--you will only know when He reveals it to you. It is His witness--ask Him.

 

[shepherdsword]

God has sent me. As for where it is written of me--you will only know when He reveals it to you. It is His witness--ask Him.

If God has sent you why do you fear saying where it is written of you?

 

[ScottA]

Here's something else you need to understand. In many cases where you see "All" it is used as a synecdoche. google synecdoche. It can be enlightening.

Remember that, when you make accusations of extrapolation: Even part can mean all.

 

[amigo de christo]

If God has sent you why do you fear saying where it is written of you?

I aint worried about if a man says GOD sent him
GOD does send men
What i examine is THEIR WORDS and etc
AND believe you me , BY DOING SO , by examing their words and actions
next to biblcal truth , OH YEAH ITS DARN clear GOD DIDNT NOT SEND THEM
But rather THEY RAN and PROPSHEY OF their own heart deceptions unto this people .
SO just wanted to make that clear .