The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[TribulationSigns]

Yes, the seven mountains represent the location where the woman sits. The woman is the Vatican. During the time of the beast king, the ten kings (leaders of the EU) will burned the Vatican to the ground. Revelation 17:16.

Wrong. You are twisting Scripture to fit your man-made theory about the Vatican and literal hills. God did not give us Revelation to point to some physical city with seven hills as if that were the mystery. The Word of God makes clear that this must be spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).

The “woman” in Revelation 17 is not about geography—it is about apostasy. She represents the New Testament congregation that has turned unfaithful, becoming the habitation of devils and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird (Revelation 18:2). This is not Rome—it is the church itself when it joins hands with the world, embracing false prophets and the lying signs and wonders of the spirit of antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:9–10; Matthew 24:24).

The “seven mountains” are symbolic of complete authority and dominion (Psalm 48:1–2; Micah 4:1), which the unfaithful congregation once had in Christ but surrendered when it became drunk with the blood of saints and defiled the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 17:6).

The destruction spoken of in Revelation 17:16 is not about the EU burning down the Vatican—it is about the false prophets themselves devouring the very church they corrupted (Jeremiah 12:10–11; Acts 20:29–30). God gives them over to judgment because they loved not the truth.

So stop pointing at Rome’s hills. The judgment is against the harlot church that abandoned her Husband and became the house of Satan’s counterfeit Christ.

Scripture support:

• 1 Corinthians 2:14 — “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God…because they are spiritually discerned.”
• Revelation 18:2 — “Babylon the great is fallen…become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”
• 2 Thessalonians 2:9–10 — “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders…”
• Jeremiah 12:10–11 — “Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot…”
• Acts 20:29–30 — “Grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock…speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.”

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, the seven mountains represent the location where the woman sits. The woman is the Vatican. During the time of the beast king, the ten kings (leaders of the EU) will burned the Vatican to the ground. Revelation 17:16.

The Vatican was only a shadow of what is coming. The woman is actually all those who worship the AC as God. She does not exist at this time and will only exist when the AC is reigning.

 

[Douggg]

The “woman” in Revelation 17 is not about geography—it is about apostasy. She represents the New Testament congregation that has turned unfaithful, becoming the habitation of devils and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird (Revelation 18:2).

Where are you getting the term "New Testament congregation" from ? Congregations are local assemblies.

 

[Nancy]

Didn't think so either, he doesn't seem to be against Christ but doesn't seem to fit the bill. The Antichrist will be powerful, display miraculous signs by the power of Satan.

As long as we remember that Satan is the great deceiver and imposter...he will and always has deceived the world into believing the lie of MANY things and he is getting even craftier. "...if possible, even the very elect will believe it. So many warnings of false followers, teachers and prophets yet, it seems not many read all the warnings against these things.

"25 See, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.…"
The enemy is sly and very cunning. It's almost impossible to find a true honest church these days.

Matthew 24:25-27

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It sounds like his ideas seem to be the same as what the Quran says, which is nothing surprising—because the first few chapters of the Quran recognize Judaism and Christianity and urge the two sides to reconcile.

To those who are reading this,

I want to ask a question: If someone writes a novel based on lies,

is the first part of the novel the most crucial part that determines the whole book?

If you agree with the above view, then why do you all say that this lying novel opposes Christianity?

It is impossible for him to say that he recognizes Christianity on the one hand and claim that God has no children on the other.

He is a liar, whobwill say anything to promote his ideology/ position. I sort of forgot about this guy ... don't think he is a significant contender as a piece of the end time puzzle.
I have my eyes on more important crucial things happening now, like thus New Trump/ Netanyahu Peace Deal with entire Middle East.
Will the Hamas actually cooperate?
Can we trust Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Jordan , Egypt?
I still think Trump is naive. Muslims permit lying to us infidels, it's in their Quran. Lie, deceive, put on a happy face and agree, pretend they are your best friend. We'll see ... just in a few days how this plays out. Keep in mind 1 Thes. 5:3
The Day of the Lord may be sooner than everyone thinks.

As long as we remember that Satan is the great deceiver and imposter...he will and always has deceived the world into believing the lie of MANY things and he is getting even craftier. "...if possible, even the very elect will believe it. So many warnings of false followers, teachers and prophets yet, it seems not many read all the warnings against these things.

"25 See, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.…"
The enemy is sly and very cunning. It's almost impossible to find a true honest church these days.

Matthew 24:25-27

Yes, Satan has tripped me up many times, and got me off the path. But I mangage to get up and back on the path and focus on Jesus.
Fortunately, he cannot snatch me out of the Father's hand, I am secure _ in Christ.
So he can claim to have had a vision - (which I do believe happens) and he can say the Rapture is soon and I might listen and if he sounds sincere, say okay, maybe and give him the benefit of the doubt. But I don't follow him into the wilderness, I don't do anything other than pray, wait and hope ... If He doesn't show, what have I lost? Not my faith, which is strong. I just got more stimulated in my anticipation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Where are you getting the term "New Testament congregation" from ? Congregations are local assemblies.

Are you kidding me? You do not know what the New Testament congregation is? It is the church, making up of "local assemblies" all over the world which the woman represents.

 

[Douggg]

Are you kidding me? You do not know what the New Testament congregation is? It is the church, making up of "local assemblies" all over the world which the woman represents.

Then why don't you just say the church? A term everyone understands. The collective body of believers in Christ.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Then why don't you just say the church? A term everyone understands. The collective body of believers in Christ.

Duh! How long have you been here with me, and how many of my posts have you actually read? Over and over, I’ve made it abundantly clear when I use the term “New Testament Congregation,” I am speaking about the CHURCH. That is not confusing to anyone who reads with honesty. Everyone also understands the distinction of the Old Testament congregation. Stop pretending as though this is some mystery—it isn’t. You are not pointing out a flaw; you are simply looking for an excuse to stir up trouble because you cannot biblically refute my teaching concerning Babylon the Great. Instead of grasping at straws, deal with the Scriptures themselves or admit that you cannot.

Grow up.

 

[Douggg]

Everyone also understands the distinction of the Old Testament congregation.

What do you mean by "Old Testament congregation" ?

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, the seven mountains represent the location where the woman sits. The woman is the Vatican. During the time of the beast king, the ten kings (leaders of the EU) will burned the Vatican to the ground. Revelation 17:16.

Agree with you almost. The ten kings will become at some point in time (not laid out for us) seven Kings. These seven kings will rule. Are they from the EU...????I don;t know the Bible does not say.

 

[soberxp]

He is a liar, whobwill say anything to promote his ideology/ position. I sort of forgot about this guy ... don't think he is a significant contender as a piece of the end time puzzle.
I have my eyes on more important crucial things happening now, like thus New Trump/ Netanyahu Peace Deal with entire Middle East.
Will the Hamas actually cooperate?
Can we trust Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Jordan , Egypt?
I still think Trump is naive. Muslims permit lying to us infidels, it's in their Quran. Lie, deceive, put on a happy face and agree, pretend they are your best friend. We'll see ... just in a few days how this plays out. Keep in mind 1 Thes. 5:3
The Day of the Lord may be sooner than everyone thinks.

There are too many people in this world. We can't know everyone. Only God knows everyone. Jesus said that if others don't resist us, Then let them do things that don't resist us. If you think what he's doing is against us.

Then what? Kill him or? Call him a liar?

How can you be sure you're not on the side of a lie?
Since the Bible tells us that wolves mingle with the sheep, how can you be sure that you are not driven by wolves, but by the shepherd Jesus Christ?

Just because you call yourself Christian?!

Just as I see many Muslims calling themselves Muslims, they don't do what the book says.

Come on, pls don't tell me the book is a lie....

 

[ewq1938]

Agree with you almost. The ten kings will become at some point in time (not laid out for us) seven Kings. These seven kings will rule. Are they from the EU...????I don;t know the Bible does not say.

In Rev the ten kings remain ten kings throughout the book until all ten are destroyed.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Then what? Kill him or? Call him a liar?

How can you be sure you're not on the side of a lie?

Adherents of the religion believe him to be the Qa'im of the family of Muhammad and the second of the twelve Mahdis appointed in the will of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. On his YouTube channel, The Mahdi Has Appeared, he also claims to be the successor of Jesus, Saint Peter, Muhammad, Mahdi ...

Isn't that enough?

 

[soberxp]

Adherents of the religion believe him to be the Qa'im of the family of Muhammad and the second of the twelve Mahdis appointed in the will of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. On his YouTube channel, The Mahdi Has Appeared, he also claims to be the successor of Jesus, Saint Peter, Muhammad, Mahdi ...

Isn't that enough?

I'm glad that he didn't say he is Jesus, Saint Peter, Muhammad, Mahdi ...

What is the meaning of successor?

and what's his YouTube channel?

 

[Douggg]

In Rev the ten kings remain ten kings throughout the book until all ten are destroyed.

I agree.

The 7 kings are not any of the ten kings. The ten kings rule concurrent with each other. The ten kings are end times kings. That will rule with the beast king for 42 months. The ten kings (the ten horns) have their crowns in Revelation 13, with 42 months left.

Differently, the 7 kings are sequential. Five fallen, one is, one yet to come - at the time of John, 1st century.

king 7 is end times. He will be killed, then comes back to life as king 8 - the beast king.

 

[ewq1938]

I agree.

The 7 kings are not any of the ten kings.

You misunderstand. He thinks the ten kings become 7 kings because 3 are removed/uprooted based on Daniel but my point was no such thing happens in John's vision.

He will be killed, then comes back to life as king 8 - the beast king.

There is no such death and resurrection for the beast-king in Rev.

 

[Brakelite]

We are discussing what the heads are not the horns. You have heads and horns as kings which is nonsensical and inconsistent. The heads are one thing, and the horns are another. Neither represent what the other is. Heads are mountains where kingdoms exist and horns are the kings/kingdoms within those mountains.

In identifying the heads, (and the horns for that matter) we need to look at things from God's prospective. God's heart and focus, the apple of His eye so to speak, was Israel. They were God's chosen vessel for bringing to light His character and plan of salvation. So what touched Israel, touched God. That's why we don't look to China or Argentina when thinking about the heads, particularly before Christ. The main suspects? Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. All local, literal powers.

When Jesus declared the house of Israel desolate, God's focus switched to the church. Not a literal local power like Israel, but a global spiritual power. So, after Christ, who were the principle entities, global spiritual powers, that impacted the church? The iron of Rome continues to the second coming, but not the literal local Empire, so we need to look to a Roman related spiritual power, so we must consider the papacy. That's the 6th head. Who else fits the bill? The only other possibility remaining is a future global spiritual power that will eventually enforce the mark of the beast. This power is an image to the first beast, the papacy, so it must therefore be a union of church and state. It has to be in order to have the global reach and power and authority to implement such a restrictive tyrannical law. And if this power is as the scripture demands, an enemy to the church yet claiming to be led of Christ, it must be a Protestant church in apostasy. That's what we are looking at in the news every day. An apostate Protestant church in America uniting with the state having the capacity and the potentiality to be future global power enforcing a form of worship in harmony with Satan and the papacy, but in opposition to God and His true people in the last days. There is no other understanding I have read in all my 47 years in the church that makes more sense and is being realised as we speak.

 

[ewq1938]

The iron of Rome continues to the second coming, but not the literal local Empire, so we need to look to a Roman related spiritual power, so we must consider the papacy. That's the 6th head.

No, it's not. Rev does not support that interp. It clearly explains the heads all exist at the same time and that ten kingdoms exist within them, and it says the heads are mountains. Mountains in the Greek simply means land rising upwards which can be literal mountains people ski on etc, to hills and even continents. The Papacy could be thought of as a horn/kingdom but it cannot be a head/mountain. Your denomination has taught you differently and that leads to error, as most incorrect interpretations do. I am outside of all denominations so I am lucky not to have such indoctrinations. That allows for a much clearer view of scripture but of course most claim to see things as clearly so it is what it is. Take care.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I'm glad that he didn't say he is Jesus, Saint Peter, Muhammad, Mahdi ...

What is the meaning of successor?

and what's his YouTube channel?

Successor = to come after
YouTube channel = The Mahdi Has Appeared
Forget about him for now, he has no power, no nation, he is just talk.
Was he involved with this new Middle Peace Treaty? Russian, China, Germany, Italy, France, UK, Pakistan, Turkey and many others support it. It involves all the surrounding Middle East countries. A 21-point plan. Only Hamas need to agree with it. It is basically a surrender in every way. The war is a losing battle for them and for Iran, their provider. So agree to it or die. They may reject it and opt for 70 virgins in heaven?
Update: Hamas may agree to it with certain revisons/ conditions/ ammendments. ???

 

[Douggg]

There is no such death and resurrection for the beast-king in Rev.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The king 7 will continue a short space (of time). The 42 months of Revelation 13:5 as the beast-king.

In Revelation 17:11, the beast king is "of the seven" - i.e. one of the seven.... i.e. king 7 who will continue a short space (of time).