The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Douggg]

I was waiting for your negative response.

Your defence is that if you do not find it written in the scriptures as I have stated, then that possibility is simply wrong from your perspective..

Wind is often associated with a spiritual entity, i.e. a heavenly host. Since the beasts are spiritual heavenly hosts then the fallen angles and the four winds of heaven is just another way of describing the same entity.

Many of the errors that are contained in what you post is caused by this blinkered reading of the scriptures.

Jay, the four winds of heaven is just a biblical way of saying from the four directions of north, south, east, west.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the four winds of heaven is just a biblical way of saying from the four directions of north, south, east, west.

Thank you for your opinion

 

[Bladerunner]

No, the "mountains" of Revelation represent kingdoms, like ewq1938 said.

Are you speaking of the city sitting on seven hills. If so, then it is seven hills as it literally reads. That place is one of three and the Vatican is one of them.

But you cannot read poetry literally, you have got to consider it as a metaphorical description of what is really happening.

If the stone that comes down out of heaven untouched by human hands is the foundation stone for our relationship with God, both for the Israelites and the Gentiles, then if this stone then grows to become the biggest mountain on the earth, then is it an actual mountain or the basis of the religion that both the Israelites and the Gentiles become a part of, our common fertile field where God scatters His seeds upon for us to become emotionally and religiously bound in harmony with Him.

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Daniel 2:35: - 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.​

NKJV​

The question that you have not considered is that a single mountain that expanded from the stone that came down from heaven is, "How does foundation stone that came down from Heaven become a mountain that can fill the whole world and still remain a great mountain.

I believe that this verse is speaking metaphorical and not literally about a religious understanding that places God/Jesus at the centre of the whole world. This mountain will tower over all of the other mountains/religions such that when the Four Faceted Beast is captured in Revelation 19 and dispatched into the Lake of Fire along with the eight horn, i.e. the other eight religions, that remain when this happens.

Let us be patient and see whether or not Satan, the four Beast, the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth will be judged in our near future and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Then true believers, filled the whole earth.

 

[ewq1938]

I rebuke you because you come with false premillennial doctrine

Then show me the Scripture and explain it biblically if you have wisdom of Christ.

Not with that attitude! You are almost on my ignore list.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Not with that attitude! You are almost on my ignore list.

Almost? It is not my "attitude" that is the problem, it is your failure to provide God's Word I asked to confirm your understanding. And yes... your premillennial doctrine is false.

I do not care if you place me on your ignore list because I still can read your post and response to it for everyone else to see your errors.

 

[Davy]

Are you speaking of the city sitting on seven hills. If so, then it is seven hills as it literally reads. That place is one of three and the Vatican is one of them.

So Rome has TEN KINGS sitting on its 7 hills, and you think that's what the Rev.17 Chapter is pointing to? NO... the "seven mountains" meaning seven hills is an old THEORY about Rome. It completely... gets away from what Rev.17 shows where the Harlot sits.

I've already posted this twice, but here are those relevant Bible Scriptures that DEFINE what the "seven mountains" are upon which the Harlot sits. And it is these... Scriptures you must use in that theory to try and prove that this is about Rome... but can you? I say no, you cannot.

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The symbolic Babylon Harlot sits upon the "seven mountains".

Rev 17:1
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
KJV

Those "seven mountains" above are FURTHER DEFINED to be symbolic "waters".

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
KJV

And those "waters" upon which the whore sits are then DEFINED to mean "nations". Is Rome about plural "nations"? No, but the idea of those "seven mountains" the harlot sits upon do represent nations, kingdoms. That cannot be the hills of Rome.

So the idea of hills has no association with the Bible text there. The fact is that the "waters" upon which the Harlot sits is NOT about the Harlot's location, but about its POWER over those "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues", pointing to the whole earth. Does Rome today have power over all nations, peoples, and tongues? Nope. Some attempt to argue that point, but it should be obvious that Rome today does not have power over all nations and peoples.

Then there's more defining Scripture there in Rev.17...

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

By that above verse, one should immediately notice about the Harlot reigning over the kings of the earth. That means over the idea of 'kingdoms'.

That "great city" label is used 10 times in the KJV. Below it is referring directly to where our Lord Jesus was crucified, which means JERUSALEM...

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

In Revelation 21:10, that "great city" label points directly to the new JERUSALEM coming down from God out of Heaven. So that's even more Scripture proof that JERUSALEM is the "great city" label in Revelation, either the one on earth today, or the future New Jerusalem of Rev.21. But how... do we know which JERUSALEM is being pointed to in Revelation 17 & 18? That actually should be very easy to figure out because of what that Babylon Harlot does at the end of this world,

AND...

In Ezekiel 16 is where God first used that HARLOT label for JERUSALEM when it fell away to idol worship. He even covers the point when the Jebusites once owned Jerusalem in false worship, when it was called the city of Jebus. That gives a Bible Witness about JERUSALEM being labeled a HARLOT in its past history under idol worship.

And in a state of idol worship is how JERUSALEM on earth will be prior to Christ's return. Christ has even warned His servants for the end of this world to get out of JERUSALEM when they see the "abomination of desolation" idol setup there in the holy place, meaning in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. (And today's Jews already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem.)

Therefore, disregarding all the above Bible Scripture evidence pointing to JERUSALEM on earth for the end of this world, and instead trying to insert Romanish theories, is like tearing out those above Bible Scriptures from God's Word, and instead inserting men's doctrines about Rome in their place instead.

Some brethren simply have yet to understand that toying with God's Word by trying to change it and insert foreign meanings into it can mean The Holy Spirit not giving the believer understanding in His Word. He can cut it off for mistreating His Word with supplanting it with men's doctrines.

 

[Muna]

Almost? It is not my "attitude" that is the problem, it is your failure to provide God's Word I asked to confirm your understanding. And yes... your premillennial doctrine is false.

I do not care if you place me on your ignore list because I still can read your post and response to it for everyone else to see your errors.

The trick is, is to get on your ignore list
(just testing, to see if I am still on it)

 

[soberxp]

cast out seven mountains into the sea.


21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

 

[Davy]

cast out seven mountains into the sea.


21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Just because Jesus used that metaphor for having Faith being able to move mountains does NOT mean we can apply it to the "seven mountains" idea in Revelation 17.

 

[soberxp]

Just because Jesus used that metaphor for having Faith being able to move mountains does NOT mean we can apply it to the "seven mountains" idea in Revelation 17.

First you should to know what the seven head is.

proverbs
6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


We cannot remove the seven mountains from this event described in the Book of Revelation,
It is to remove the seven mountains from us and keep us away from its influence.

Do you agree?

 

[Davy]

....

Do you agree?

No, I do not agree with you trying to act like you understand that Revelation 17:9 Scripture when it's obvious that you don't. So if that makes you angry, then good. Maybe you will take more care with making improper speculations in God's Word between passages that may use a similar word here or there, like mountains.

 

[soberxp]

No, I do not agree with you trying to act like you understand that Revelation 17:9 Scripture when it's obvious that you don't. So if that makes you angry, then good. Maybe you will take more care with making improper speculations in God's Word between passages that may use a similar word here or there, like mountains.

I am not angry, I only see you under the seven mountains, or sit on it with her, From your words.

A proud look, as you understand it well.

 

[Jay Ross]

Then true believers filled the whole earth.

That is one way of describing how the stone filled the whole earth.

 

[Douggg]

Are you speaking of the city sitting on seven hills. If so, then it is seven hills as it literally reads. That place is one of three and the Vatican is one of them.

Yes, the seven mountains represent the location where the woman sits. The woman is the Vatican. During the time of the beast king, the ten kings (leaders of the EU) will burned the Vatican to the ground. Revelation 17:16.

 

[soberxp]

Yes, the seven mountains represent the location where the woman sits. The woman is the Vatican. During the time of the beast king, the ten kings (leaders of the EU) will burned the Vatican to the ground. Revelation 17:16.

Has there ever been such a thing in history or in future?

 

[Douggg]

Thank you for your opinion

Thanks Jay, for the friendly reply. Even if you agree or disagree with my opinion.

 

[Davy]

I am not angry, I only see you under the seven mountains, or sit on it with her, From your words.

A proud look, as you understand it well.

It is called 'boldness' in God's Word, which Apostle Paul is my model, for he showed to be bold in The Word and The Gospel.

But today in many Churches, a return has happened to the ways that God mocked Israel in the Book of Isaiah...

Isa 30:8-13
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, 'See not'; and to the prophets, 'Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits':

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:

13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
KJV


1 Thess 2:1-2
1 For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:
2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
KJV

2 Cor 11:21
21 I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
KJV

2 Cor 10:2
But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
KJV

Paul and Barnabas speaking to the UNBELIEVING JEWS...

Acts 13:46
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
KJV

 

[soberxp]

It is called 'boldness' in God's Word, which Apostle Paul is my model, for he showed to be bold in The Word and The Gospel.

But today in many Churches, a return has happened to the ways that God mocked Israel in the Book of Isaiah...

Isa 30:8-13
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, 'See not'; and to the prophets, 'Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits':

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:

13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
KJV


1 Thess 2:1-2
1 For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:
2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
KJV

2 Cor 11:21
21 I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
KJV

2 Cor 10:2
But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
KJV

Paul and Barnabas speaking to the UNBELIEVING JEWS...

Acts 13:46
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
KJV

You don't even want to think for a minute whether what someone else is saying is reasonable.

boldness，That's not how it works.

You're not being humble. You feel good about yourself.

If I do not look for connections between words in the Bible, then the answers I seek are false, as many false teachings have been.

 

[Davy]

You don't even want to think for a minute whether what someone else is saying is reasonable.

Man's 'Age of Reason' has nothing... to do with the simplicity of God's written Word. Those in Christ do not need a Francis Bacon to teach us the scientific method in order to interpret God's written Word. That job instead belongs to The Holy Spirit. And the majority of interpretation problems in God's Word, minus lack of Bible study, is not having The Holy Spirit unction to rightly divide it. Think about that...

Why should The Holy Spirit help a believer with understanding His Word of Truth if all the believer is going to do is turn to what some man says The Word says? We are to turn directly to GOD by The Holy Spirit praying for understanding His Word. And God has given His servants some good Bible study tools provided through His servants, yet it is still our responsibility to go check it out for ourselves.

Does your preacher 'rebuke' a sinner in the Church openly in front of the whole congregation? Apostle Paul did, and he commanded Timothy to do that in the Church with a sinner, so those who hear will also fear...

1 Tim 5:20
20 Those sinning, reprove before all, that the others also may have fear;
YLT

How does that fit your little personal paradigm that a teacher of God's Word must always be humble, smooth talking, meek like a lamb (like Jesus), etc. It doesn't really fit your theory does it? No, it does not. Nor will Lord Jesus' SECOND COMING fit your little passive paradigm, for Jesus coming this next time He is bringing A SWORD! He is not going to be meek as the Lamb Slain this next coming!

 

[soberxp]

Man's 'Age of Reason' has nothing... to do with the simplicity of God's written Word. Those in Christ do not need a Francis Bacon to teach us the scientific method in order to interpret God's written Word. That job instead belongs to The Holy Spirit. And the majority of interpretation problems in God's Word, minus lack of Bible study, is not having The Holy Spirit unction to rightly divide it. Think about that...

Why should The Holy Spirit help a believer with understanding His Word of Truth if all the believer is going to do is turn to what some man says The Word says? We are to turn directly to GOD by The Holy Spirit praying for understanding His Word. And God has given His servants some good Bible study tools provided through His servants, yet it is still our responsibility to go check it out for ourselves.

Does your preacher 'rebuke' a sinner in the Church openly in front of the whole congregation? Apostle Paul did, and he commanded Timothy to do that in the Church with a sinner, so those who hear will also fear...

1 Tim 5:20
20 Those sinning, reprove before all, that the others also may have fear;
YLT

How does that fit your little personal paradigm that a teacher of God's Word must always be humble, smooth talking, meek like a lamb (like Jesus), etc. It doesn't really fit your theory does it? No, it does not. Nor will Lord Jesus' SECOND COMING fit your little passive paradigm, for Jesus coming this next time He is bringing A SWORD! He is not going to be meek as the Lamb Slain this next coming!

Ok, May the Holy spirit guide you.