David in NJ
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My Brother in Christ @Fred JSo to you, Jesus was addressing specifically to the natural water bag born men, that only they can be born again?
And He was addressing so, because probably there were 'aliens' there and are exempted from this rebirth?
Every man in Israel know of this natural human birth of the earth, and need they to be taught or reminded?
Absurd folly doctrine of the demons, you babes in Christ have picked up and brought it to the Lord's table.
Didn't Jesus disciple, "Do not make My FATHER's house a marketplace."
And, "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of the devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
Grow up from yet consuming milk and being shortsighted, to meat therefore one may be able to see afar.
John 3:3&5, Jesus is speaking about rebirth from above specifically, not from below anymore, which everyone been through and already know.
In verse 5, Jesus is talking about water from nature itself, started by John for the repentance of Israel and baptizing them in the river Jordan.
Symbolically as John proclaimed to the Israelites, repent and be water baptized, as to make a straight path for the Lord, whom is about to come.
(Water from nature used for 'washing' and 'purification' of the defiled body and things, whether at home or at the Temple, is in the Old Testament. Even to the earth being 'washed' and 'purified' by Noah's flood water and hence a new family to start anew again, is)
Therefore next, when the Lord is come, He likewise proclaimed repentance, and hence disciple the doctrine of the Kingdom making disciples who've born again and able to 'see' the Kingdom.
And when discipleship is over, He henceforth baptizes them with Holy Ghost and Fire, who've 'born of water and of the Holy Ghost' in fulfillment, and able to 'enter' the Kingdom.
This is the evidence written from the beginning of the Gospel, pertaining to proclamation of the Kingdom for repentance and water baptizing, conducted by John the Baptist and his disciples.
Since and after John, Jesus continued proclaiming and henceforth made disciples about the Kingdom, while His disciples were water baptizing .
And finally on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts, only then the disciples were baptize with Holy Ghost and Fire.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
i do not have time at this moment but later will review your post and respond
For now = let us REJOICE in this = John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
