Rapture ... soon?

[WPM]

The angels [plural] of God are ministering spirits. The way I understand these spirit beings and how they work for heirs of salvation is by making sure we do not die before we are saved by the Spirit [singular] that is given to be within the hearts and minds of every man who shall be born again. Remember we are ordained unto eternal life, but we are not eternally saved until we believe by grace through faith through the power of the Word and Spirit of Christ in us. This understanding gives validity to the doctrine of 'guardian angels.' How do they work in our lives in ways we can't begin to fathom, but they keep us from death until we are eternally saved.

Hebrews 1:4-7 (KJV) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Do they have personalities? Where did they come from? Were they created? Where is their abode?

So, what happens after we are saved? Do they stop protecting us and keeping us from death?

 

[WPM]

I believe the angel of the LORD is Christ.

Matt 26:52-53

52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Who were these angels? where were they located?

 

[rwb]

Death reigned over "all," including babies, because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Period! Not "all except babies", but ALL! That can mean nothing less. Children are culpable for sin the moment that they draw their first breath, and are thus "accountable" for sin like every other human being that takes the breath of life. Thus, they are not "innocent" and they need a Saviour as much as you or I do.

Romans 5:14

• "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

By one man came death, by one man must come life. Liability means accountability. Sure, children may not know certain things (neither do adults), and be naive (so are adults), but "innocent" they are NOT. And they never have been. For the spiritual corruption in our nature passed on by Adam causes sin that extends to every part of our soul and body, so that we are (even as babies) desperately wicked to a "righteous God." In fact, on a baby's best day his righteousness is as filthy rags to a Holy God. So a few misunderstood scriptures does not a doctrine make, but "all" scriptures taken in conjunction with all "other scriptures" in harmony one with the other. Meaning, children are sinners, wicked, and assuredly not little innocents. And to a Holy God they are equated to a bunch of little snakes.

I realize that this issues that make you squirm, but I also realize that this is because Christians are still wrapped in a robe of flesh, that they still cling to the flesh, "knowing in part," not as God knows.
Psa 58:2-4
(2) Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
(3) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
(4) Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Rom 3:10-13
(10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
(11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
(12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
(13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Do you understand what God is saying? In God's eyes, man from the womb is as a poisonous asp or serpent to God. TO GOD! Not to you! There is absolutely no good at all in mankind, only the perversion of what God initended for him.

Next!




Who is wrong? You or God?

Joh 6:70-71
(70) Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
(71) He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

In God's eye, Judas "IS" the devil because he has the spirt of disobedience.

Next!

Thanks TS, this is truth!

Even if we lived a perfect life in this world, altogether without sin, we are still under the curse of death! Why? Because no human except Christ shall live in these bodies of death without sin. That's why Christ came to make atonement for sin, and defeat death. Or no one, not baby, not mentally infirmed, NONE NOT ONE human would be saved, because the curse of DEATH fell upon the whole human race.

We can lead to water, but have no power to make anyone drink!

 

[rwb]

Are you somehow not aware that TS has thrown out MANY insults in his posts on this forum? Yet, you are quick to defend him while accusing me of slandering him? I'm sure he can handle the way I talk to him since he talks the same way, so why should you worry about it? Do you seem him complaining about how I talk to him? No, you don't. So, don't worry about it.

Yes, I am aware of this! Which is why it troubles me that it continues. Evil has a way of responding in kind.

 

[rwb]

What do you mean by this exactly? How do you define "powers of darkness" and "evil spirits"? Do you believe evil spirits are evil spirit beings who try to influence and deceive the hearts and minds of humans?

And you don't??? Are you kidding me?

 

[rwb]

Matt 26:52-53

52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Who were these angels? where were they located?

Why don't you tell me what you think these angels are, and where they are located?

 

[WPM]

Why don't you tell me what you think these angels are, and where they are located?

LOL. I am trying to establish your doctrine. It is as clear as mud.

 

[rwb]

LOL. I am trying to establish your doctrine. It is as clear as mud.

Explain yours and we can compare! Because I don't believe my doctrine is clear as mud, or error, if it were you should be able to prove from Scripture where I am wrong! Which so far you have not!

 

[WPM]

Why don't you tell me what you think these angels are, and where they are located?

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Who was this angel? Where was it from? Was is a visible being?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And you don't??? Are you kidding me?

This was your response to me asking you these questions: "What do you mean by this exactly? How do you define "powers of darkness" and "evil spirits"? Do you believe evil spirits are evil spirit beings who try to influence and deceive the hearts and minds of humans?". How does your response answer my questions? Were you intending to respond to a different post instead?

 

[rwb]

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Who was this angel? Where was it from? Was is a visible being?

I'm done answering these questions. It's time for you to prove how I have erred!

 

[rwb]

This was your response to me asking you these questions: "What do you mean by this exactly? How do you define "powers of darkness" and "evil spirits"? Do you believe evil spirits are evil spirit beings who try to influence and deceive the hearts and minds of humans?". How does your response answer my questions? Were you intending to respond to a different post instead?

If you don't know from the Word of God, I doubt you would learn from me.

 

[WPM]

Explain yours and we can compare! Because I don't believe my doctrine is clear as mud, or error, if it were you should be able to prove from Scripture where I am wrong! Which so far you have not!

Not true. You are the one making the wild claims. You are the one inventing a new unorthodox doctrine that doesn't correspond with Scripture or make sense. My position is orthodox. It is not hard to grasp. It is written throughout the Word. Show your hand. If you had the truth you would stop avoiding.

 

[WPM]

I'm done answering these questions. It's time for you to prove how I have erred!

I presented a detailed post above that you ducked around.

 

[WPM]

I'm done answering these questions. It's time for you to prove how I have erred!

Exactly. You are acting like a Pretribber now because you cannot explain your position.

 

[rwb]

Not true. You are the one making the wild claims. You are the one inventing a new unorthodox doctrine. My position is orthodox. It is not hard to grasp. It is written throughout the Word. Show your hand. You had the truth you would stop avoiding.

What wild claims would that be? Prove my doctrine to be new and unorthodox! Your position is that Satan was a created angel of God who rebelled against God and became the evil spirit called Satan. I haven't avoided anything! Prove your doctrine from the Word of God, and prove also from the Word of God where I have not presented truth from Scripture. Whose avoiding?

 

[rwb]

I presented a detailed post above that you ducked around.

Perhaps I missed it, which one would be a detailed depiction of your doctrine of Satan?

 

[WPM]

Perhaps I missed it, which one would be a detailed depiction of your doctrine of Satan?

Rapture ... soon?

Rapture ... soon?

 

[WPM]

Perhaps I missed it, which one would be a detailed depiction of your doctrine of Satan?

In 2 Kings 6 the king of Syria prepared an impressive army for the purpose of nullifying Elisha.

2 Kings 6:

15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

2 Kings 6:16 And he (Elisha) answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

Please see: these 2 men are looking at the same scene but one is seeing things from an earthly perspective (the servant), the other from a heavenly perspective (Elisha). Evidently, they were not in the same place with God. Elisha’s servant was too attached to the natural realm, whereas Elisha was connected to the spiritual.

2 Kings 6:17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Are these real angels? Are they real entities distinct to man? Were they heavenly beings? Were these visible beings?

 

[WPM]

Powers of darkness, evil spirits, working through the hearts and minds of humans.

So Satan is not an evil angel? He is not an entity separate from man? Is he just an influence? Or, is Satan abstract "conscience" or the innate "evil spirit" of unregenerate man?