Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[rwb]

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

You are alleging that he created much that was "very bad." Christadelphianism contradicts Scripture at every turn.

Why do you lean on this isolated verse and not show what God says about the 'serpent'?

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Even using just this one verse only it is a real stretch to allege that God created Satan whom the serpent represents as a good angel who rebelled against God and became Satan.

Did or did not the serpent do what his nature was designed by God to do? Yes, he did, he used his cunning, subtle nature to deceive A&E causing them to sin against God and bring death into creation.

I'm not alleging anything, I'm showing Scripture of what transpired when everything God created was "very good". Perhaps you have forgotten that God has always used evil to bring about good! In this case by creating the serpent to be cunning in and evil way, God brought good to mankind, because through the fall mankind has come to experience good and evil and through this can understand their desperate need of the Saviour.

Romans 8:28 (KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

 

[Muna]

God does not spare the human messengers who lived in the days of Noah, who sinned, angels of God do not sin, they do God's bidding.

These human messengers of God are still in the lowest abyss. They went there after death took them in the waters of the flood that covered the earth.

And demons/devils/Satan have NEVER been fallen angels! They are from the beginning servants of evil.

What is your understanding between all that have the breath of life (as is shown in Adam)

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And God destroying all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, exists and these here

Gen 6:4 There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also after that** (See Numbers 13:33), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Because he says, There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also after that**

Because God says here, that he would destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life as he says here

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

And so God did so as it says here

Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

But then these here,

Gen 6:4 There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also **after that** (See Numbers 13:33)

Are still around

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephiyl) H5303 the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephiyl) and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Would they not be counted as those all flesh, wherein is the breath of life ?

The question could be for anyone really, was curious, never looked at it through the eyes of the breath of life being mentioned bewteen the picture.

 

[rwb]

Please do not go there. You started it by trying to belittle Eric.

What transpired before my replies? It's not very honest to show only how I replied and leave out the cause! I am human, and like everyone else here, I also struggle to make my replies that which brings honor and glory to God. But wickedness always begats wickedness! Come off the high perch and admit that both you and Eric have made it a habit to belittle anyone who brings doctrine that does not align with what you have both been taught and yourself have learned.

 

[Muna]

Read the Op. The unseen realm of the kingdom of God is a collective whole. 1Ti 5:21 tells us: "I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels." This is one side of the invisible realm. These are God's angels - the faithful ones.

The demonic realm is also a collective whole - the "evil angels" (Psa 78:49). These are the unfaithful angels. When Christ or the NT writers describe Satan and his invisible host they are described in Matthew 25:41 as “the devil and his angels,” in Revelation 12:7 as “the dragon … and his angels,” and in Revelation 12:9 as “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan … and his angels.”

There are no subgroups within the demonic realm - like “the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation” (Jud 1:6) / “the angels that sinned" (2 Peter 2:4) on one side and then "devils," "unclean (impure or fowl) spirits" and "evil spirits" on the other side. These are all the same wicked spirits.

Angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:14). Demons are fallen angels. They operate in the invisible realm. Their allegiance is to Satan. When the Bible talks about the activity of the devil, it sometimes includes the phrase “and his angels.”

Amen, and sometimes you might not get the word at all, but just the point

As Elisha prayed those in the invisible would become visible to this one here

2 Kings 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

I forgot about this one, Jesus said,

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

 

[Truth7t7]

Once again refusing to address what was said, and instead accusing, attacking, mischaracterizing! You are being very dishonorable/dishonest and I for one have lost respect for you. I fear much learning has made you arrogant and puffed up! It's really very sad for me to be saying this!

We agree and the place depicted where the rich man was in the flame of fire desiring Lazarus to cool his tongue is called Hell

 

[WPM]

Why do you lean on this isolated verse and not show what God says about the 'serpent'?

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Even using just this one verse only it is a real stretch to allege that God created Satan whom the serpent represents as a good angel who rebelled against God and became Satan.

Did or did not the serpent do what his nature was designed by God to do? Yes, he did, he used his cunning, subtle nature to deceive A&E causing them to sin against God and bring death into creation.

I'm not alleging anything, I'm showing Scripture of what transpired when everything God created was "very good". Perhaps you have forgotten that God has always used evil to bring about good! In this case by creating the serpent to be cunning in and evil way, God brought good to mankind, because through the fall mankind has come to experience good and evil and through this can understand their desperate need of the Saviour.

Romans 8:28 (KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Again, you are fudging the issue. What you're saying is that God made the devil evil from the beginning.

The devil was not a real serpent. That is simply a symbol to describe the character of the devil.

Whatever way we look at your Christadelphian doctrine it falls apart.

 

[rwb]

What is your understanding between all that have the breath of life (as is shown in Adam)

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And God destroying all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, exists and these here

Gen 6:4 There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also after that** (See Numbers 13:33), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Because he says, There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also after that**

Because God says here, that he would destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life as he says here

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

And so God did so as it says here

Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

But then these here,

Gen 6:4 There were giants (nephiyl) in the earth in those days; and also **after that** (See Numbers 13:33)

Are still around

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephiyl) H5303 the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephiyl) and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Would they not be counted as those all flesh, wherein is the breath of life ?

The question could be for anyone really, was curious, never looked at it through the eyes of the breath of life being mentioned bewteen the picture.

There is nothing strange about the sons of Anak (giant humans) existing both before and after the flood. There were 8 living, breathing souls left alive after the flood, and from those the earth was again populated.

At creation mankind alone is unique, because man only was created of dust of the earth (body) and God breathed the breath of life (spirit) into their body giving them physical life, and man alone became a living soul.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

A&E were especially unique because only they of the human race, they alone were created and made alive by the breath of God (Holy Spirit). I believe the Holy Spirit left A&E when they sinned and left them with a natural spirit of the earth. That's why Scripture calls us dead in trespasses and sins. Not physically dead but being left without the HS destined to die.

We read of Adam after the fall having another son to replace his son, Abel who was killed by Cain. Notice what God says of Seth when he was born.

Genesis 5:3 (KJV) And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Humanity lost the Spirit of God through sin, and without the Spirit of Christ in us we shall not have eternal life. For that reason every man must be born again to both know and enter the Kingdom of God in heaven.

 

[rwb]

Again, you are fudging the issue. What you're saying is that God made the devil evil from the beginning.

The devil was not a real serpent. That is simply a symbol to describe the character of the devil.

Whatever way we look at your Christadelphian doctrine it falls apart.

I showed you the verse that tells us God made the serpent more cunning and crafty for the purpose of saving much people alive.

The serpent is representative of Satan. Yes, as God created the serpent with a character to deceive, the serpent too was part of that which God created "very good". You're assuming making the serpent with this nature is evil, but as I've said God used him to save His people.

I'm really sick of you casting dispersions upon my character, which is NOT "very good"! It's really sad to see you resorting to character assassination because you cannot prove that Satan was created a good angel of God who became Satan when he rebelled against God.

 

[Muna]

There is nothing strange about the sons of Anak (giant humans) existing both before and after the flood. There were 8 living, breathing souls left alive after the flood, and from those the earth was again populated.

At creation mankind alone is unique, because man only was created of dust of the earth (body) and God breathed the breath of life (spirit) into their body giving them physical life, and man alone became a living soul.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

A&E were especially unique because of the human race they alone were created and made alive by the breath of God (Holy Spirit). I believe the Holy Spirit left A&E when they sinned and left them with a natural spirit of the earth. That's why Scripture calls us dead in trespasses and sins. Not physically dead but being left without the HS destined to die.

We read of Adam after the fall having another son to replace his son, Abel who was killed by Cain. Notice what God says of Seth when he was born.

Genesis 5:3 (KJV) And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Humanity lost the Spirit of God through sin, and without the Spirit of Christ in us we shall not have eternal life. For that reason every man must be born again to both know and enter the Kingdom of God in heaven.

This has nothing to do with God's saving 8 souls in all it was the destruction of everything that had the breath of life in them besides them in the ark. Which it says everyone that had the breath of life in them died. Whereas the giants were not on the ark, and they were there in those days (as it says) but also after it says, and we see those in Numbers is what I was asking about.

Talking about the breath of life in them, I did not regard as the Holy Ghost, because you can drown a bunch of people today even who have not the Holy Ghost.

 

[WPM]

I showed you the verse that tells us God made the serpent more cunning and crafty for the purpose of saving much people alive.

The serpent is representative of Satan. Yes, as God created the serpent with a character to deceive, the serpent too was part of that which God created "very good". You're assuming making the serpent with this nature is evil, but as I've said God used him to save His people.

I'm really sick of you casting dispersions upon my character, which is NOT "very good"! It's really sad to see you resorting to character assassination because you cannot prove that Satan was created a good angel of God who became Satan when he rebelled against God.

I have no desire to assassinate your character. I am attacking your teaching and mode of interpretation. I apologize if it comes across that way.

Creation only fell when Adam and Eve fell. You have creation falling before that, suggesting that God made the serpent deliberately deceitful (evil) before the Fall. You have God creating evil, rebllion and lies.

 

[rwb]

This has nothing to do with God's saving 8 souls in all it was the destruction of everything that had the breath of life in them besides them in the ark. Which it says everyone that had the breath of life in them died. Whereas the giants were not on the ark, and they were there in those days (as it says) but also after it says, and we see those in Numbers is what I was asking about.

Talking about the breath of life in them, I did not regard as the Holy Ghost, because you can drown a bunch of people today even who have not the Holy Ghost.

The giants of Anak were human. The descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! Though Noah was righteous before God, the wives of one of his sons may not have been, or even Noah's son Ham who seeing his father's nakedness brought a curse upon Cannan.

However Lev 20:11 and Deut 27:20 interpret the term “uncovered his father’s nakedness” to mean that the son has committed adultery with his father’s wife. Is this a more plausible crime to fit in the story of Noah and sons of Anak being both before and after the flood.

Deuteronomy 27:20 (KJV) Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Leviticus 20:11 (KJV) And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

[Muna]

The giants of Anak were human. The descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! Though Noah was righteous before God, the wives of one of his sons may not have been, or even Noah's son Ham who seeing his father's nakedness brought a curse upon Cannan.

However Lev 20:11 and Deut 27:20 interpret the term “uncovered his father’s nakedness” to mean that the son has committed adultery with his father’s wife. Is this a more plausible crime to fit in the story of Noah and sons of Anak being both before and after the flood.

Deuteronomy 27:20 (KJV) Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Leviticus 20:11 (KJV) And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Forget I asked rwb

 

[rwb]

I have no desire to assassinate your character. I am attacking your teaching and mode of interpretation. I apologize if it comes across that way.

Creation only fell when Adam and Eve fell. You have creation falling before that, suggesting that God made the serpent deliberately deceitful (evil) before the Fall. You have God creating evil, rebllion and lies.

No I don't have creation falling before A&E disobeyed God. Do you deny that all that came to pass at creation was ordained in heaven before creation? Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and inheritance into the Kingdom of God was prepared from the foundation of the world. We were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. His works for salvation were finished from the foundation of the world. Christ was foreordained to be the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. The names of all who would be saved were written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 25:34 (KJV) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Hebrews 4:3 (KJV) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:20 (KJV) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Revelation 13:8 (KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God used the fall through the character of the serpent to bring about all that has been ordained in heaven before the foundation of the world. I don't see the way God created the nature of the serpent to be evil at all. Because the fall through sin that brought death was the plan of God from before creation. The plan of salvation whereby God's creation would not perish, is God's "very good" plan and whosoever shall be born again shall be eternally saved.

 

[Muna]

I showed you the verse that tells us God made the serpent more cunning and crafty for the purpose of saving much people alive.

The serpent is representative of Satan. Yes, as God created the serpent with a character to deceive, the serpent too was part of that which God created "very good". You're assuming making the serpent with this nature is evil, but as I've said God used him to save His people.

I think Tribs cuts 1 Cr 11:3 down to one verse to reduce the serpent down to a beast made within the woman, thise having this inner serpent in her when Paul says

2 Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

When the next verse tells us, of a "he that cometh" preaching another, or of receiving another spirit which they had not here

2 Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

How did the serpent attempt to deceive her, but with his words

Gen 3:1 Yea, hath God said

The man and the woman in Genesis are spoken of here

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

And so similarly,

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty

The same here, after the word is sown, guess who showed up in the garden?

Rev 12:9... that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world

Same here...

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

The thief cometh to steal the word is sown the heart (Mark 4:15 & Gen 3:1)

Yea, hath God said (In the similitude)

Same with these, ye are of your father the devil, the lusts of your father ye shall do

The word stealers

Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

These being deceivers, , that use their tongues, and say, "He saith."

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. (Yea, hath God said)

This is the "he that cometh" and preacheth another, as one seeking to beguile the Church as he that beguileth Eve

TribulationSigns might say at least, in part here (as he has on another thread)

The serpent worked within Eve's mind. It wasn't a created angelic being

But again, that is not what it is showing there, following into the next verse

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

And stops there (to show some inner serpent) but Paul continues

For "if he that cometh" is mentioned behind it

2 Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

All of which they had not recieved, nor accpeted, but bear with him

And the "he that cometh" there is indeed a created being, and the spirit that worketh within him is a lie, one of deception, he is both deceived and deceiving and in this case ttempting to do so with the woman (a figure of the Church Ephes 5:32) who would have the truth that abides in her/ his Church, not that old serpent, the devil or satan seeing he is all of those (Rev 12:9, Rev 20:2).

The "tempter came to" Jesus

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter "came to" him...

Paul said, I sent to know your faith

1 Thes 3:5 ..." lest by some means" the tempter have tempted you...

And again, "lest by any means" (as the serpent, who is the tempter) beguiled Eve shown here as well

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, "as the serpent" beguiled Eve ...

And the next verse ( if we dont leave that off) behind vs 3 Paul says,

2 Cr 11:4 For "if he that cometh"...

These show an outside influence such as "a false prophet", or a "he that cometh". Someone who tries to persuade with words.

Something can be without which can tempt us from within according to a specific lust, which are not to walk by.

And so if there is a tempter, he will attempt to tempt us, and when we are sucessfully tempted, James says,

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

So if Tribs might say,

"The serpent worked within Eve's mind"

I can somewaht agree, that his words might be at work in there. Maybe she will consider those (before casting them down) because "he that cometh" can come wth deceiving and enticing words as any false prophet can come with the same.

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

And theres the word ashamed planted right there, thats fitting.

 

[Muna]

Heres some of the references of the serpent, and other things he is called and the LORD mentioning that they are made

For example

The LORD made the serpent

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

It also says His hand formed the crooked serpent

Job 26:3 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

It says the LORD made leviathan

Psalm 104:36 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

And here is leviathan the piercing and crooked serpent that his hand has formed mentioned together here
as being the same as the dragon

Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Then ofcourse, that old serpent that the LORD made is called the Devil and Satan is cast out into the earth here

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,

which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And in Job who says the deceived and the deceiver are his

Job 12:16 With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.

Oops, I THINK Tribs would agree with this one, not sure, can you clarify?

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

[Muna]

Yes, sadly you needed a reminder because you are displaying incredible hostility toward CHRISTIANS!

Thou must prayest,

2 Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[Muna]

Heb 13:1-2
(1) Let brotherly love continue.
(2) Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Exactly who are the angels here? Looking forward to your answer.

This could be better laid out,

When saw we a stranger in various ways

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Jesus was also a stranger among them here, it says here

Luke 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

Luke 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

They are unawares of him, they even see him a stranger

Luke 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him,
Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

He communed with them for a little

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.

Of the widow it mentions, lodging strangers also," if she have lodged strangers"

And he went in to tarry with them, did brake bread, and they knew him

And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he "vanished out of their sight."

Strangers

Heb 18:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Jesus said, he that receiveth whosoever I send receiveth me

And he sent Paul and they received him and he said the following

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Paul sure couldnt walk through walls like Jesus yet

 

[WPM]

I think Tribs cuts 1 Cr 11:3 down to one verse to reduce the serpent down to ...

TribulationSigns might say at least, in part here (as he has on another thread)

You are being led by a wrong influence!

 

[TribulationSigns]

I think Tribs cuts 1 Cr 11:3 down to one verse to reduce the serpent down to a beast made within the woman, thise having this inner serpent in her when Paul says

The serpent — also called Satan or the Devil — represents the spirit of man, the spirit of disobedience.

The beast, on the other hand, symbolizes a collective body of people driven by that same spirit of disobedience. People with the spirit of antichrist.

That’s all it is — plain and simple.

 

[Muna]

You are being led by a wrong influence!

What wrong influence? This might be hard to follow because he sticks two weird things together see the red part

TribulationSigns might say at least, in part here (as he has on another thread)

The serpent worked within Eve's mind. It wasn't a created angelic being

But again, that is not what it is showing there, following into the next verse

He ephasizes the two here

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

And stops there (to show some inner serpent) but Paul continues

For "if he that cometh" is mentioned behind it


Sorry I can be a bit hard to follow, I wasnt adressing the second part of what he said, which was the red underlined

The serpent worked within Eve's mind. It wasn't a created angelic being

Is that better?