The Divinity of Christ

[Episkopos]

God is Spirit. The Son of God is a life-giving Spirit known as "the way. the truth, and the life". In this episode we will look at the lesser known (even hidden) passages of scripture that testify of the divinity of Jesus the Christ and His relation to His Father, the Most High God.

 

[shepherdsword]

I have always thought that when we speak of the limitations of Christ, they all deal with his humanity. In eternity past, the Trinity were all co-equal with each other. Their respective positions we see now are all a result of the positions taken for creation and redemption.
Here's a good video by Heiser on the two powers that proves that the Rabbi's before Christ believed in the two powers:

 

[shepherdsword]

Another interesting point. The ISA interlinear doesn't assign the same strongs number to "father" as my classic text which assigns strongs H1 to Father. The ISA leaves that out all together. Interesting

 

[Episkopos]

Another interesting point. The ISA interlinear doesn't assign the same strongs number to "father" as my classic text which assigns strongs H1 to Father. The ISA leaves that out all together. Interesting

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My contention is that the word translated as "Everlasting Father" (Avi-ed) is a name and not a title. But breaking down the name to get a deeper meaning would read "witness of MY Father"

Avi= My Father

Ed= witness (or testimony)

To add the vowel "a" rather than "e" to the ayin in the second last letter...(Avi-ad) makes it "My Father until" ...which makes no sense. The Jews translate it this way to get away from the idea that the verse is speaking about God the Father and NOT the Son.

I use the bible to interpret the bible...comparing like with like. In every case I find the logic holds together very well when such a process is undertaken. Even having profound results.

 

[MatthewG]

My conviction remains rooted in the mystery and majesty of the Son of God—who, having purged our sins, “sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high” (Hebrews 1:3). Yet when He overcame all things, He did not merely sit beside the Father—He sat with Him, sharing in the fullness of divine authority: “To him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne” (Revelation 3:21). This is the cornerstone of my first signature: the exalted Christ, enthroned in unity with the Father.


Though I haven’t yet seen your video, Epi, I’ll let you know if I do.


As for today, I affirm without hesitation: Jesus is God (after having overcome all things!). He is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY—not in separation, but in perfect unity with the Father. As Jesus Himself declared, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). The Son does not merely reflect the Father—He reveals Him. “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).


This is not metaphor. It is mystery made manifest. “For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9). The eternal Word became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14), and the throne is not divided. The Lamb who was slain is also “the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End” (Revelation 1:8), “in the midst of the throne” (Revelation 5:6).

 

[Pierac]

The Hebrew Principle of Agency

The Old Testament (OT) forms the foundation of the Bible, comprising its first three-quarters. Misunderstanding this Hebrew foundation can lead to a system of theological error. The New Testament (NT), as the Bible’s culmination, aligns with and builds upon its OT heritage. To grasp the Bible’s message, we must approach it through “Hebrew eyes,” understanding the thought-forms, idioms, culture, and customs of the biblical era. This is challenging but essential for accurate interpretation.

H. N. Snaith, in The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament, argues that Christianity has often been misinterpreted by filtering biblical theology through Greek philosophical lenses rather than its Hebrew roots. He writes, “Christianity itself has tended to suffer from a translation out of the Prophets and into Plato” (p. 161). He further asserts that reinterpreting biblical theology in Greek terms has been “destructive to the essence of the Christian faith” (p. 187). Snaith contends that both Catholic and Protestant theologies have been shaped by Greek thought, diverging from the distinctive ideas of the OT and NT, which must be understood in their Hebrew context to avoid distortion by pagan philosophies (p. 188).

Centuries of human tradition have obscured the original intent of Scripture. A key to resolving much of the resulting confusion lies in understanding the Hebrew “Principle of Agency,” A concept widely recognized by OT scholars. In Jewish custom, an agent commissioned to act on behalf of a superior was regarded as the superior himself. The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion explains that an agent was seen as embodying the authority and presence of their master. In modern terms, this is akin to someone with Enduring Power of Attorney, who wields near-unlimited authority to act on behalf of their principal.

Examples of Agency in the Old Testament

Moses and the Burning Bush (Exodus 3) In Exodus 3, the text describes “the angel of the LORD” appearing to Moses in the burning bush (v. 2). Yet, the speaker identifies as “God,” saying, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” (v. 6). This has led some to assume it was God Himself, or even the pre-incarnate Christ, speaking. However, the NT clarifies this event through Stephen’s speech in Acts 7:30-33, where he states it was “an angel” who appeared and spoke, yet the angel speaks as God in the first person, saying, “I am the God.” This reflects the Hebrew principle of agency: the agent is distinct from God but represents Him so fully that they are treated as God Himself. Homage given to the agent is ultimately homage to God.

Peter’s Release from Prison (Acts 12) In Acts 12:7-9, an angel of the Lord frees Peter from prison, striking his side, releasing his chains, and leading him past guards. Peter initially thinks it’s a vision, but after escaping, he declares that “the LORD had led him out of prison” (v. 17). The text credits both the angel and the Lord, but the Hebrew mind understands that the Lord worked through His agent, the angel. To the Hebrews, the agent’s actions were the principal’s actions.

Jacob’s Encounters (Genesis 31 and 32) In Genesis 31:11-13, an angel speaks to Jacob in a dream, declaring, “I am the God of Bethel.” The angel speaks as God in the first person, a clear example of agency. In Genesis 32:24-30, Jacob wrestles with “a man” whom he later says is “God face to face.” Hosea 12:3-4 clarifies that this “man” and “God” was an angel, reinforcing that the agent is regarded as the principal.

Moses and Aaron as “God” to Pharaoh (Exodus 7) In Exodus 7:1, God tells Moses, “I have made you God [elohim] to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.” God declares He will strike the Nile with the staff in His hand (v. 17), yet Aaron physically performs the act (v. 19). Here, Moses and Aaron, as God’s agents, are identified with God Himself, acting with His full authority.

Judges as “God” (Exodus 21:6) In Exodus 21:6, a slave is brought “to God” (NASB, RSV) or “to the judges” (KJV, NIV) for a vow. The Hebrew word elohim can mean “God,” “gods,” “angels,” or “judges,” depending on context. Because judges represented God as His agents, they were called elohim, and a vow before them was a vow before God.

Gideon and the Angel (Judges 6:11-22) An angel of the Lord appears to Gideon, greeting him with, “The LORD is with you” (v. 12). The text later states, “The LORD looked at him and said” (v. 14), using the first person: “Have not I sent you?” Gideon recognizes he has seen “the angel of the LORD face to face” (v. 22), not God Himself, as no one can see God (John 1:18; 1 Timothy 6:16). The angel, as God’s agent, speaks and acts as God.
Moses’ Speech in Deuteronomy 29 In Deuteronomy 29:2-6, Moses recounts God’s acts in the third person, saying, “You have seen all that the LORD did.” Yet in verse 6, he switches to the first person: “I am the LORD your God.” As God’s agent, Moses speaks as though he is God, illustrating how the agent embodies the principal’s authority.

A New Testament Example: The Centurion’s Servant In Matthew 8:5-13, the Centurion personally approaches Jesus to heal his servant. In Luke 7:1-10, however, the Centurion sends Jewish elders as his agents to plead with Jesus. To the Hebrew mind, the elders, as the Centurion’s agents, were regarded as the Centurion himself. Matthew’s account reflects this idiom, presenting the Centurion as speaking directly, while Luke clarifies the agents’ role. This resolves the apparent contradiction, demonstrating the principle of agency at work.

Jesus as God’s Ultimate Agent

Jesus claimed a unique role as God’s agent, speaking and acting with divine authority like no other. He declared, “He who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) and “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), reflecting a unity of purpose and spirit. As God’s Son, Jesus manifested God’s name and will (John 17:3, 6, 11).

Acts 2:22 describes Jesus as “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him.”

Hebrews 1:1-2 clarifies that God spoke in the OT through prophets, visions, and angels, but only in “these last days” has He spoken through His Son. Passages like Acts 7:53, Galatians 3:19, and Hebrews 2:2 confirm that the Law was mediated through angels, not the pre-incarnate Christ. Jesus was not God’s messenger before His human birth.

The Angel of the Lord in Exodus 23:20-23

In Exodus 23:20-23, God sends an angel to guide Israel, saying, “My name is in him.” The angel speaks God’s words, judges Israel, and represents God fully. If an angel could bear God’s name and authority, how much more could Jesus, the Son of God, do so? Jesus’ role as God’s ultimate agent explains why He could claim to represent God perfectly, speaking and acting as God Himself.

The Hebrew Principle of Agency clarifies many biblical passages that might otherwise seem contradictory or confusing. By recognizing that an agent is regarded as the principal, we can better understand how angels, prophets, and Jesus Himself represented God. This Hebrew perspective preserves the distinction between God and His agents while affirming their unity in purpose, ensuring a coherent interpretation of Scripture rooted in its original cultural context.

 

[Behold]

God is Spirit.

Ok Reader.... lets look at this..

= "God is spirit".

So, this is an incorrect translation., and lets look at why.

The Bible teaches that there are different spirits........not just one.

Therefore the correct teaching regarding God's spirit is this one......... "God is A Spirit".

A.) The Holy Spirit. = "A Spirit".... Just ONE.

Now..

Does a Human who is not born again, have the Holy Spirit? ... = NOPE...... Yet they have a spirit.
Does a Dog?
Does a Horse?

Now, notice this carefully......

There are "unclean spirits"....and "demonic spirits", and in fact there is the Devil's Spirit that is the "un-holy spirit".

So, are those God's Spirit?.........Are those the "Holy Spirit"?

AA. ) NO.

So, check your bible........and if your bible says......"God is spirit".. then your bible is not making the distinction between God's Holy Spirit.. = "God is A Spirit">. The Holy Spirit, vs. .. a demonic spirit or an unclean spirit, or the Devil's spirit.
Only use a Bible that does make the distinction, between The Holy Spirit and all others... as you can be certain that God would want you to know the difference between HIS Spirit, and all others.

 

[Pierac]

Ok Reader.... lets look at this..

= "God is spirit".

So, this is an incorrect translation., and lets look at why.

The Bible teaches that there are different spirits........not just one.

Therefore the correct teaching regarding God's spirit is this one......... "God is A Spirit".

A.) The Holy Spirit. = "A Spirit".... Just ONE.

Now..

Does a Human who is not born again, have the Holy Spirit? ... = NOPE...... Yet they have a spirit.
Does a Dog?
Does a Horse?

Now, notice this carefully......

There are "unclean spirits"....and "demonic spirits", and in fact there is the Devil's Spirit that is the "un-holy spirit".

So, are those God's Spirit?.........Are those the "Holy Spirit"?

AA. ) NO.

So, check your bible........and if your bible says......"God is spirit".. then your bible is not making the distinction between God's Holy Spirit.. = "God is A Spirit">. The Holy Spirit, and a demonic spirit or an unclean spirit, or the Devil's spirit.
Use a Bible that does make the distinction, as you can be certain that God would want you to know the difference between HIS Spirit, and all others.

You are correct... God is/has a Spirit...

Exo 8:19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Luk 11:14 Now he was casting out a demon that was mute. When the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke, and the people marveled. 15 But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the prince of demons," 16 while others, to test him, kept seeking from him a sign from heaven…
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
I had also come upon Scriptures that says Jesus cast out demons by the Spirit of God. This would strongly lead to the conclusion that the finger of God is the Spirit of God the Father.


Mat 12:22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?" 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


When you connect Luke 11:20 with Matthew 12:28 then you get the understanding of what the finger of God is.
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


Now the same is true with the Holy Spirit. We also have in the Bible two parallel teachings of the same subject one Matthew and one in Luke.

Luk 12:11 And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Mat 10:19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Likewise, when you connect to Matthew 10:20 with Luke 12:12 you get an understanding of what the Holy Spirit is. It is the Spirit of the Father. There is no separate being called the Holy Spirit. Again that's why the Holy Spirit is never worshiped, prayed to, or has a seat on a throne.

This should help clear all this up...

 

[shepherdsword]

The Hebrew Principle of Agency

The Old Testament (OT) forms the foundation of the Bible, comprising its first three-quarters. Misunderstanding this Hebrew foundation can lead to a system of theological error. The New Testament (NT), as the Bible’s culmination, aligns with and builds upon its OT heritage. To grasp the Bible’s message, we must approach it through “Hebrew eyes,” understanding the thought-forms, idioms, culture, and customs of the biblical era. This is challenging but essential for accurate interpretation.

H. N. Snaith, in The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament, argues that Christianity has often been misinterpreted by filtering biblical theology through Greek philosophical lenses rather than its Hebrew roots. He writes, “Christianity itself has tended to suffer from a translation out of the Prophets and into Plato” (p. 161). He further asserts that reinterpreting biblical theology in Greek terms has been “destructive to the essence of the Christian faith” (p. 187). Snaith contends that both Catholic and Protestant theologies have been shaped by Greek thought, diverging from the distinctive ideas of the OT and NT, which must be understood in their Hebrew context to avoid distortion by pagan philosophies (p. 188).

Centuries of human tradition have obscured the original intent of Scripture. A key to resolving much of the resulting confusion lies in understanding the Hebrew “Principle of Agency,” A concept widely recognized by OT scholars. In Jewish custom, an agent commissioned to act on behalf of a superior was regarded as the superior himself. The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion explains that an agent was seen as embodying the authority and presence of their master. In modern terms, this is akin to someone with Enduring Power of Attorney, who wields near-unlimited authority to act on behalf of their principal.

Examples of Agency in the Old Testament

Moses and the Burning Bush (Exodus 3) In Exodus 3, the text describes “the angel of the LORD” appearing to Moses in the burning bush (v. 2). Yet, the speaker identifies as “God,” saying, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” (v. 6). This has led some to assume it was God Himself, or even the pre-incarnate Christ, speaking. However, the NT clarifies this event through Stephen’s speech in Acts 7:30-33, where he states it was “an angel” who appeared and spoke, yet the angel speaks as God in the first person, saying, “I am the God.” This reflects the Hebrew principle of agency: the agent is distinct from God but represents Him so fully that they are treated as God Himself. Homage given to the agent is ultimately homage to God.

Peter’s Release from Prison (Acts 12) In Acts 12:7-9, an angel of the Lord frees Peter from prison, striking his side, releasing his chains, and leading him past guards. Peter initially thinks it’s a vision, but after escaping, he declares that “the LORD had led him out of prison” (v. 17). The text credits both the angel and the Lord, but the Hebrew mind understands that the Lord worked through His agent, the angel. To the Hebrews, the agent’s actions were the principal’s actions.

Jacob’s Encounters (Genesis 31 and 32) In Genesis 31:11-13, an angel speaks to Jacob in a dream, declaring, “I am the God of Bethel.” The angel speaks as God in the first person, a clear example of agency. In Genesis 32:24-30, Jacob wrestles with “a man” whom he later says is “God face to face.” Hosea 12:3-4 clarifies that this “man” and “God” was an angel, reinforcing that the agent is regarded as the principal.

Moses and Aaron as “God” to Pharaoh (Exodus 7) In Exodus 7:1, God tells Moses, “I have made you God [elohim] to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.” God declares He will strike the Nile with the staff in His hand (v. 17), yet Aaron physically performs the act (v. 19). Here, Moses and Aaron, as God’s agents, are identified with God Himself, acting with His full authority.

Judges as “God” (Exodus 21:6) In Exodus 21:6, a slave is brought “to God” (NASB, RSV) or “to the judges” (KJV, NIV) for a vow. The Hebrew word elohim can mean “God,” “gods,” “angels,” or “judges,” depending on context. Because judges represented God as His agents, they were called elohim, and a vow before them was a vow before God.

Gideon and the Angel (Judges 6:11-22) An angel of the Lord appears to Gideon, greeting him with, “The LORD is with you” (v. 12). The text later states, “The LORD looked at him and said” (v. 14), using the first person: “Have not I sent you?” Gideon recognizes he has seen “the angel of the LORD face to face” (v. 22), not God Himself, as no one can see God (John 1:18; 1 Timothy 6:16). The angel, as God’s agent, speaks and acts as God.
Moses’ Speech in Deuteronomy 29 In Deuteronomy 29:2-6, Moses recounts God’s acts in the third person, saying, “You have seen all that the LORD did.” Yet in verse 6, he switches to the first person: “I am the LORD your God.” As God’s agent, Moses speaks as though he is God, illustrating how the agent embodies the principal’s authority.

A New Testament Example: The Centurion’s Servant In Matthew 8:5-13, the Centurion personally approaches Jesus to heal his servant. In Luke 7:1-10, however, the Centurion sends Jewish elders as his agents to plead with Jesus. To the Hebrew mind, the elders, as the Centurion’s agents, were regarded as the Centurion himself. Matthew’s account reflects this idiom, presenting the Centurion as speaking directly, while Luke clarifies the agents’ role. This resolves the apparent contradiction, demonstrating the principle of agency at work.

Jesus as God’s Ultimate Agent

Jesus claimed a unique role as God’s agent, speaking and acting with divine authority like no other. He declared, “He who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9) and “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), reflecting a unity of purpose and spirit. As God’s Son, Jesus manifested God’s name and will (John 17:3, 6, 11).

Acts 2:22 describes Jesus as “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him.”

Hebrews 1:1-2 clarifies that God spoke in the OT through prophets, visions, and angels, but only in “these last days” has He spoken through His Son. Passages like Acts 7:53, Galatians 3:19, and Hebrews 2:2 confirm that the Law was mediated through angels, not the pre-incarnate Christ. Jesus was not God’s messenger before His human birth.

The Angel of the Lord in Exodus 23:20-23

In Exodus 23:20-23, God sends an angel to guide Israel, saying, “My name is in him.” The angel speaks God’s words, judges Israel, and represents God fully. If an angel could bear God’s name and authority, how much more could Jesus, the Son of God, do so? Jesus’ role as God’s ultimate agent explains why He could claim to represent God perfectly, speaking and acting as God Himself.

The Hebrew Principle of Agency clarifies many biblical passages that might otherwise seem contradictory or confusing. By recognizing that an agent is regarded as the principal, we can better understand how angels, prophets, and Jesus Himself represented God. This Hebrew perspective preserves the distinction between God and His agents while affirming their unity in purpose, ensuring a coherent interpretation of Scripture rooted in its original cultural context.

Jesus is God manifested in human flesh.

 

[Behold]

One of the worst "new" bible translations ever created is the NIV.

The reason it is terrible, are many.. and at the core of the problem is that the NIV is not a strictly "literal" translation of the Koine Greek......its a what is referred to as a "thought for thought".....and the purpose is... to be easier to read, vs, literal.
It also removes a lot of important verses and changes the correct meaning of verses, througout, which impairs or removes the understanding of important NT Doctrines.
Its junk.
Its not a transliteration, its just not a succinctly literal translation., and of course it classifies God's Holy Spirit as just "Spirit".

 

[shepherdsword]

Likewise, when you connect to Matthew 10:20 with Luke 12:12 you get an understanding of what the Holy Spirit is. It is the Spirit of the Father. There is no separate being called the Holy Spirit. Again that's why the Holy Spirit is never worshiped, prayed to, or has a seat on a throne.

This should help clear all this up...

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is born out by these texts

Here we see blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a special class of sin, thus proving His distinct divinity
Mt 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Here we see that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying unto God
Ac 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here we see the Spirit speak as a separate and distinct entity
1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

 

[WalterandDebbie]

God is Spirit. The Son of God is a life-giving Spirit known as "the way. the truth, and the life". In this episode we will look at the lesser known (even hidden) passages of scripture that testify of the divinity of Jesus the Christ and His relation to His Father, the Most High God.

Hello, My Brother, Great post, thank you for sharing it. We are in prayer for you all, Jude:
King James Bible
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[WalterandDebbie]

God is Spirit. The Son of God is a life-giving Spirit known as "the way. the truth, and the life". In this episode we will look at the lesser known (even hidden) passages of scripture that testify of the divinity of Jesus the Christ and His relation to His Father, the Most High God.

Good morning, Brother Episkopos, how are you all? I have been praying ever since taking His yoke upon myself meant to me, as a whole, and what He meant about the things He has said, especially in John 4:1-24. God is a Spirit-54.

It is a difference when I ask Him things and actually wait on Him, now than before. I can see what He is saying to me.

Because I'm learning from Him, not only hearing but doing.

John 14:1-7-8-31 is very clear.

Love, Walter

 

[Pierac]

Shema Yisrael! Hear, O Israel!

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

This is one of the very first Bible verse that most Jewish boys and girls learn. It binds the Jewish life and community together. Every devout Jew recited it daily and even utter the Shema when dying. This is the one belief that distinguished Israel from all the surrounding nations that had multiple gods. “The Lord is one Lord” is thus Israel's classic statement of monotheism, Judaism's highest confession of Faith. It speaks of Yahweh's uniqueness and exclusiveness, that he is one single integral person, not divisible.

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible tells us that there are two valid ways of interpreting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4. It is possible to translate, "Yahweh, our God, is one Yahweh"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh cannot be divided into several Yahweh manifestations (poly-Yahwism), like the Baals of different sanctuaries [or we might add the Trinity of later Nicene Christianity]. Or we may translate: "Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone"-in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh is the only and the unique God [we will soon see that Jesus affirmed this creed and John 17:3].

Both of these nuances are given in other Old Testament passages. The person of God is indivisible and he has no other in His class for He is alone and unique. He is a single divine individual.

Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

Mar 12:28 Now one of the experts in the law came and heard them debating. When he saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?" Jesus answered, "The most important is: 'Listen, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Satan uses the false doctrine of the Trinity (not mentioned in scripture) To fool the non-elect! If Jesus is God…. Then He cannot have a GOD!!!

Jesus tells us what knowledge is required to have eternal life… note Know!

Joh 17:3 Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

We all know that the Son of God has a Father (God the Father). But the question that must be asked and answered is: can the concept that God the Son have a God? Every pastor that I have ever asked this question to has always said "Of course not!" But is that the pastors answer given in Scripture? No, on the contrary. As you will see, the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament is said to have a God. Then you will see that Jesus the Messiah fulfills those prophesies because he most definitely has a God. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus has a God, then it might be time to rethink and research the Doctrine of the Trinity. Because if God the Son has a God, then there are TWO GODS!

To make this as simple as possible, I am not going to list the huge amount of Scriptures which have God (not "Father") and Jesus in the same sentence, or Scriptures that have God speaking to Jesus, or Jesus speaking to God. We will only be concerned with Scriptures that prove that Jesus has a God.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES

Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s womb you are my God."

NEW TESTAMENT​

Jesus Speaking:

John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."

Paul:

Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."

2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."

Peter:

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

John:

Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."

When one reads the preceding verses, there is one thing that is a fact. That Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken? Are we to believe that all these verses are misprints? Are we to suppose that theologians several centuries after Christ knew more about Jesus than Jesus and his Apostles? There is no way around it.

The New American Bible (a Roman Catholic Bible) in a section discussing biblical revelation says,

"It is the very same God who reveals Himself in so many richly divergent ways on every page of the Scriptures. The God of Abraham and Moses and David is the God of Jesus of Nazareth."

1Co 11:3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Now if you want to see some truth… look at Rev chapter 4 and 5

Rev 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying: "Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God, the All- Powerful, Who was and who is, and who is still to come!" 9 And whenever the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,10 the twenty-four elders throw themselves to the ground before the one who sits on the throne and worship the one who lives forever and ever, and they offer their crowns before his throne, saying: 11 "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, since you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created!"

Who is worthy to take the book out of the hand of GOD!!!

Rev 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne a scroll written on the front and back and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a powerful angel proclaiming in a loud voice: "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?"

Rev 5:4 So I began weeping bitterly because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.

So there was no second or third member of the one sitting on the throne… NO!!!

Rev 5:6 Then I saw standing in the middle of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the middle of the elders, a Lamb that appeared to have been killed. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. :7 Then he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one (GOD) who was seated on the throne,

Rev 5:9 They were singing a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation.

This is not some second member of God taking the book from GOD! this is God's chosen one...

Luk 9:35 Then a voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, my Chosen One. Listen to him!"

Joh 1:32 Then John testified, "I saw the Spirit descending like a dove from heaven, and it remained on him. 33 And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, 'The one on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining — this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.' 34 I have both seen and testified that this man is the Chosen One of God."

How many of you really know...

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Trinity (not mentioned in scripture)

Taught Very Plainly In Many Clear Scriptures:

The LORD Jesus Christ Is The Almighty God!

Amen.

 

[Episkopos]

Shema Yisrael! Hear, O Israel!

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

Joh 17:3 Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

I and the Father are ONE

Hear O Israel, the Lord your God AND the Lord are ONE.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Shema Yisrael! Hear, O Israel!

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

This is one of the very first Bible verse that most Jewish boys and girls learn. It binds the Jewish life and community together. Every devout Jew recited it daily and even utter the Shema when dying. This is the one belief that distinguished Israel from all the surrounding nations that had multiple gods. “The Lord is one Lord” is thus Israel's classic statement of monotheism, Judaism's highest confession of Faith. It speaks of Yahweh's uniqueness and exclusiveness, that he is one single integral person, not divisible.

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible tells us that there are two valid ways of interpreting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4. It is possible to translate, "Yahweh, our God, is one Yahweh"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh cannot be divided into several Yahweh manifestations (poly-Yahwism), like the Baals of different sanctuaries [or we might add the Trinity of later Nicene Christianity]. Or we may translate: "Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone"-in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh is the only and the unique God [we will soon see that Jesus affirmed this creed and John 17:3].

Both of these nuances are given in other Old Testament passages. The person of God is indivisible and he has no other in His class for He is alone and unique. He is a single divine individual.

Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

Mar 12:28 Now one of the experts in the law came and heard them debating. When he saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?" Jesus answered, "The most important is: 'Listen, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Satan uses the false doctrine of the Trinity (not mentioned in scripture) To fool the non-elect! If Jesus is God…. Then He cannot have a GOD!!!

Jesus tells us what knowledge is required to have eternal life… note Know!

Joh 17:3 Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

We all know that the Son of God has a Father (God the Father). But the question that must be asked and answered is: can the concept that God the Son have a God? Every pastor that I have ever asked this question to has always said "Of course not!" But is that the pastors answer given in Scripture? No, on the contrary. As you will see, the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament is said to have a God. Then you will see that Jesus the Messiah fulfills those prophesies because he most definitely has a God. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus has a God, then it might be time to rethink and research the Doctrine of the Trinity. Because if God the Son has a God, then there are TWO GODS!

To make this as simple as possible, I am not going to list the huge amount of Scriptures which have God (not "Father") and Jesus in the same sentence, or Scriptures that have God speaking to Jesus, or Jesus speaking to God. We will only be concerned with Scriptures that prove that Jesus has a God.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES

Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s womb you are my God."

NEW TESTAMENT​

Jesus Speaking:

John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."

Paul:

Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."

2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."

Peter:

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

John:

Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."

When one reads the preceding verses, there is one thing that is a fact. That Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken? Are we to believe that all these verses are misprints? Are we to suppose that theologians several centuries after Christ knew more about Jesus than Jesus and his Apostles? There is no way around it.

The New American Bible (a Roman Catholic Bible) in a section discussing biblical revelation says,

"It is the very same God who reveals Himself in so many richly divergent ways on every page of the Scriptures. The God of Abraham and Moses and David is the God of Jesus of Nazareth."

1Co 11:3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Now if you want to see some truth… look at Rev chapter 4 and 5

Rev 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying: "Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God, the All- Powerful, Who was and who is, and who is still to come!" 9 And whenever the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,10 the twenty-four elders throw themselves to the ground before the one who sits on the throne and worship the one who lives forever and ever, and they offer their crowns before his throne, saying: 11 "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, since you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created!"

Who is worthy to take the book out of the hand of GOD!!!

Rev 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne a scroll written on the front and back and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a powerful angel proclaiming in a loud voice: "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?"

Rev 5:4 So I began weeping bitterly because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.

So there was no second or third member of the one sitting on the throne… NO!!!

Rev 5:6 Then I saw standing in the middle of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the middle of the elders, a Lamb that appeared to have been killed. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. :7 Then he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one (GOD) who was seated on the throne,

Rev 5:9 They were singing a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation.

This is not some second member of God taking the book from GOD! this is God's chosen one...

Luk 9:35 Then a voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, my Chosen One. Listen to him!"

Joh 1:32 Then John testified, "I saw the Spirit descending like a dove from heaven, and it remained on him. 33 And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, 'The one on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining — this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.' 34 I have both seen and testified that this man is the Chosen One of God."

How many of you really know...

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

Thank you, Pierac . We must all learn the truth from the Great Shepherd by His Spirit.

Love, Walter

 

[Pierac]

Joh 17:3 Now this is eternal life — that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

I and the Father are ONE

Hear O Israel, the Lord your God AND the Lord are ONE.

Joh 17:21 that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, so that the world will believe that you sent me. Joh 17:22 The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one —

Now how many ones do we have here??? It's not about being one with God ... but being GOD! Jesus has a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deu 4:35 You have been taught that the LORD alone is God — there is no other besides him.

Deu 4:39 Today realize and carefully consider that the LORD is God in heaven above and on earth below — there is no other!

Deu 32:39 "See now that I, indeed I, am he!" says the LORD, "and there is no other god besides me.

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him

Mar 3:35 For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother."

Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. HE... (GOD) sent ME... Are you even beginning to see...

Joh 20:17 Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" Yep... Jesus has a GOD!!!!

1Co 11:3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

There is NO co-equal being in scripture... You idiots don't you even know what or how you believe.... what you teach!!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So it's cool for people to use this forum to promote their youtube channel then?

 

[Pierac]

So it's cool for people to use this forum to promote their youtube channel then?

BigBoyJohnson is trying to promote something..... Maybe His personal private You tube channel..... Don't allow this!!!

Block ALL You tube channels.... as EVIL!!! join me and Big Boy Johnson!!!

Block all this...