Can God be insulted?

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Agree.
But best, I think, if that is not accomplished with the use of a flame thrower.

Children have to be trained.
Christians have to be trained.

Correction, sometimes really hurts in both cases., but the "afterwards".....is always going to produce a change that had to happen, or what was needing to be corrected would have ruined them, eventually.
 
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Agree.
But best, I think, if that is not accomplished with the use of a flame thrower.

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Eh. Sometimes, you just gotta make an example out of someone to keep the rest in line. Prevents trouble in the long run.

It's all good, unless you happen to be the guy who goes down in the bible as the bad example.
 
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St. SteVen

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Eh. Sometimes, you just gotta make an example out of someone to keep the rest in line. Prevents trouble in the long run.

It's all good, unless you happen to be the guy who goes down in the bible as the bad example.
I used to teach at private colleges.
It worked well to be VERY strict in the first session and mild mannered after that.

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Can God be insulted?​

You seem obsessed with finding out the HARD way on Judgment Day.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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Eh. Sometimes, you just gotta make an example out of someone to keep the rest in line. Prevents trouble in the long run.

It's all good, unless you happen to be the guy who goes down in the bible as the bad example.

That might work for dogs, but not human beings.

My mother was never hard on me except for these words: "Matthew, I am gonna die, you need to go to work and take care of yourself."
 

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Oh, doesn't it? You don't think punishment has any deterrent value?

I didnt say beat your dogs. It's legal to discipline ones own child.

God chastens those whom are his and cuts them back accordingly.

Is suffering something one goes through?

To some degree or another living for God, has setbacks...

Abiding in Christ, not in ones flesh.

In our mind we can think we are doing great, think of when someone beats their dog.

In their mind they are doing great! It's the same with people sparing others to "teach them a lesson." When in reality that never actually changes their mind.

Thats animal abuse though and physical abuse.




What's Yahwehs purpose? For people to grow spiritually, and walk in the Resurrected Lord Jesus even more?

Im sure that is something hardly ever heard! Lol, caught a sermon on youtube last week, of a church that preached on Abraham and him taking his son on the mountain...


He said its commanded to take the wine and bread... I did not hear one time ever mention resurrection, and there were other verses he wasnt gonna get into because he was pressed for time.


So much for teaching old dogs new tricks.
 
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St. SteVen

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Oh, doesn't it? You don't think punishment has any deterrent value?
I had heard that in some middle-eastern countries they have few problems with theft.
If you steal something, they remove your hand.

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I had heard that in some middle-eastern countries they have few problems with theft.
If you steal something, they remove your hand.

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If it is acceptable in that country. Then, what can ya do? I've heard the same thing. Never wintessed it.

In some countries if you smuggle drugs over there, they will straight up have you killed.

Doesn't stop people from stealing or smuggling drugs to other countries, though.

I don't even think the 10 commandments should be placed up in schools.
 

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'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness,
.. and wrath,
.... and anger,
...... and clamour,
........ and evil speaking,
.......... be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another,
.. tenderhearted,
.... forgiving one another,
...... even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'

(Eph 4:29-32)
 
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Aunty Jane

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I used to teach at private colleges.
It worked well to be VERY strict in the first session and mild mannered after that.
Are you suggesting that God should follow your lead then? Should God conduct himself like humans?

If there is a big picture in the Bible, why do you think that the Scriptures are full of those stories of obedience and blessing or disobedience and punishment?

We are experiencing the most important object lesson that humans and angels will ever go through......

Why was there ever a need to punish anyone in the first place?
Was there a long list of do’s and dont’s given to Adam?
What was the life offered to them on just one condition? That they obeyed one simple command...to refrain from taking the fruit from the one tree that God claimed as his exclusive property. Was that a hardship? Was the partaking of that fruit really such a heinous crime?

In the big picture, it was. That tree represented God’s Sovereign right as our Creator to set the limits of the freedom he gave to all his children. To transgress that command was to ignore God’s Sovereignty and adopt their own will as more important than God’s......to tell God what he should do, rather than the other way around. This seems to be your agenda on these threads.....turning God into what you think he should be....because somehow he can’t be the God that the Bible speaks about....he is not a God who suits your sensibilities?

What was God’s response to the original sin? He could have just destroyed the rebels there and then and started again....but free will was an important gift...one that was worth subjecting humanity to the “god” they chose to obey....to show them where disobedience would take them. We know that satan wanted worship because he even tried to get Jesus to worship him. (Luke 4:5-8)

It was God’s purpose to show both humans and angels what his Sovereignty means when free will is abused. The first rebel was not human and so this lesson is based in the timeframe of angels, not humans.
They do not exist in a world with days and nights, weeks and months, to count time. They exist in Universal time.

Have you never wondered why this object lesson has taken so long from the human perspective? Why have thousands of years transpired since Adam’s creation....and why did it take thousands of years for Jesus to offer his life...and then thousands more years to come back?

Life and death are contained in the Sovereignty of our Creator, who’s project we are....on this carefully prepared earth, we are designed to enjoy life here, forever. We cannot know what we lost the day that Adam and his wife were evicted from the garden, with access to the tree of life denied until the lesson was over. (Gen 3:22-24) We have never lived that life.

So what is the purpose of the lesson?
Recognising God’s Sovereignty as vastly superior to any human will or even the will of angels who might want to get out from under God’s rulership....but, would there ever be a valid reason to want to?

Satan began to envy the worship that these humans would give to God.....up until that time, there was no other option than to obey the Creator as their rightful ruler and law giver....and to enjoy the life they had been created to live in the realm in which he placed them.

Only by lying to the humans could he ever separate them from their Maker and take over control of their lives and worship. And in his wisdom, God handed the human race over to the one who wanted to rule them....to be a god to them. (Luke 4:5-7) The only way he could accomplish this was by deception,and we all know by now, that he is an expert at his craft. He knows human nature better than we do and is adept at manipulating our sinful state. Yet Adam and his wife were not created sinful......neither was the devil.

Free will was not really free and this object lesson would show them why God had a few restrictions....not because he was the fun police, but because he wanted to show them what he could not just tell them.

Experience is the greatest teacher.....so what have we learned? Not much apparently, since only “few” will be found on “the road to life”....whist the “many” are travelling a superhighway to “destruction”. (Matt 7:13-14)
Deception is still rife among the human race, as we hurtle towards our inevitable demise at the hands of corrupt rulers, out of control. God will “bring to ruin those who ruin the earth”. (Rev 11:18)

Only those who accept God on his terms will be permitted citizenship in his Kingdom.

He has had his fill of rebels.
 
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If God is not a man that he cannot lie, how could he be insulted as men are?
We are made in his image....if we can get offended by things that we find unacceptable, why can’t he?

He created life...he can also take it away. He can do whatever he wants.
The clay cannot say to the potter, you didn’t do it right....we are the work of his hands, therefore we are subject to his will. He is not subject to ours. (Jer 18:5-10)
 
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We are made in his image....if we can get offended by things that we find unacceptable, why can’t he?

He created life...he can also take it away. He can do whatever he wants.
The clay cannot say to the potter, you didn’t do it right....we are the work of his hands, therefore we are subject to his will. He is not subject to ours. (Jer 18:5-10)
Including burning BILLIONS of humans and the Devil FOREVER! And He will.
 
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He created life...he can also take it away. He can do whatever he wants.
There it is again. I find it curious.
What do we call a human that takes someone else's life? (a murderer)
What do we call a human who can do whatever they want? (a tyrant, or bully)
Christians claim that God holds Himself to a lower standard than He holds us to.

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An example : Someone comes and kills my hypothetical wife. God could stop it, but he would have to stop every single other one.


So good and bad, or good and evil, must be in place for a reason. That person also would be a murderer.

Some people would love it if we could just free for all the ones we hate.

Take all the pedophiles put them on an island and let them kill themselves... - Is another example I heard.

Get all the mexican people doesnt matter if they are illegals or not, but get them all out my "WHITE AMERICA" - I have heard before.

Get all the black people doesn't matter - I need my white america. - I have heard that before.

I have heard many different things in life for a person of my age.
 

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An example : Someone comes and kills my hypothetical wife. God could stop it, but he would have to stop every single other one.


So good and bad, or good and evil, must be in place for a reason. That person also would be a murderer.

Some people would love it if we could just free for all the ones we hate.

Take all the pedophiles put them on an island and let them kill themselves... - Is another example I heard.

Get all the mexican people doesnt matter if they are illegals or not, but get them all out my "WHITE AMERICA" - I have heard before.

Get all the black people doesn't matter - I need my white america. - I have heard that before.

I have heard many different things in life for a person of my age.


Steven don't ignore me I know you hate talking to me but come on my guy.


Can you be insulted? I am sure you can. However you probably done heard everything already before.


Would bastardrizing the Son of god, not be an insult to God? I mean I dont know... I know God can handle me in my anger times, my sad times, and those times where I hate, and when I am all using cuss words and what not.

Jesus said anyone can make fun of him, and be forgiven, but not the holy spirit. It is never forgiven - there remains one sin it seems, unbelief.
 
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There it is again. I find it curious.
What do we call a human that takes someone else's life? (a murderer)
What do we call a human who can do whatever they want? (a tyrant, or bully)
Christians claim that God holds Himself to a lower standard than He holds us to.
Why do you put God on a mere human level? Humans are not God, and they do not have his sovereignty or authority over life and death.
His standards and position are superior to man’s…..we do not direct God…he is the one who directs us.
Do you really want to argue with him?….you will lose.

You‘re the clay telling the potter how to do his job…..if you do not want to play by his rules he will remove you from existence…..he has no need of rebels….been there….done that.

He wants our obedience because he loves us and wants to give us back the life Adam lost for us….why did Adam lose his life? Because he couldn’t do as he was told…..and he had no excuse to disobey. The penalty was clearly stated.
 
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Why do you put God on a mere human level? Humans are not God, and they do not have his sovereignty or authority over life and death.
His standards and position are superior to man’s…..we do not direct God…he is the one who directs us.
Do you really want to argue with him?….you will lose.
Your words only serve to confirm mine.

You‘re the clay telling the potter how to do his job…..if you do not want to play by his rules he will remove you from existence…..he has no need of rebels….been there….done that.
That's another pet peeve of mine.
This idea that we are only a bug under God's heel.
It's dehumanizing in my view.

I say we are His children, created in His image.
He is our Father.

He wants our obedience because he loves us and wants to give us back the life Adam lost for us….why did Adam lose his life? Because he couldn’t do as he was told…..and he had no excuse to disobey. The penalty was clearly stated.
This reminds me of the issue of reparations for slavery in the USA.
Which means one party paying for what they didn't do to a party that was not injured by what was done.
Controversial, I know. But seems to also apply to your claims about what we owe to God due to the actions of Adam.

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