Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[Scott Downey]

Here is what St Augustine wrote on the fallen angels versus the holy angels, who was a major intellect in the early church and still is today

This is the first part, to read it all click the link

Logos Virtual Library: Saint Augustine: City of God, XV, 23

Saint Augustine (354-430)

City of God

Translated by Marcus Dods

Book XV

Chapter 23

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In the third book of this work we made a passing reference to this question, but did not decide whether angels, inasmuch as they are spirits, could have bodily intercourse with women. For it is written, “Who maketh His angels spirits,” that is, He makes those who are by nature spirits His angels by appointing them to the duty of bearing His messages. For the Greek word αγγελος, which in Latin appears as “angelus,” means a messenger. But whether the Psalmist speaks of their bodies when he adds, “and His ministers a flaming fire,” or means that God’s ministers ought to blaze with love as with a spiritual fire, is doubtful.

However, the same trustworthy Scripture testifies that angels have appeared to men in such bodies as could not only be seen, but also touched. There is, too, a very general rumor, which many have verified by their own experience, or which trustworthy persons who have heard the experience of others corroborate, that sylvans and fauns, who are commonly called “incubi,” had often made wicked assaults upon women, and satisfied their lust upon them; and that certain devils, called Duses by the Gauls, are constantly attempting and effecting this impurity is so generally affirmed, that it were impudent to deny it. From these assertions, indeed, I dare not determine whether there be some spirits embodied in an ærial substance (for this element, even when agitated by a fan, is sensibly felt by the body), and who are capable of lust and of mingling sensibly with women; but certainly I could by no means believe that God’s holy angels could at that time have so fallen, nor can I think that it is of them the Apostle Peter said, “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

I think he rather speaks of these who first apostatized from God, along with their chief the devil, who enviously deceived the first man under the form of a serpent. But the same holy Scripture affords the most ample testimony that even godly men have been called angels; for of John it is written: “Behold, I send my messenger (angel) before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way.” And the prophet Malachi, by a peculiar grace specially communicated to him, was called an angel.

 

[rwb]

From these assertions, indeed, I dare not determine whether there be some spirits embodied in an ærial substance (for this element, even when agitated by a fan, is sensibly felt by the body), and who are capable of lust and of mingling sensibly with women; but certainly I could by no means believe that God’s holy angels could at that time have so fallen, nor can I think that it is of them the Apostle Peter said, “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” I think he rather speaks of these who first apostatized from God, along with their chief the devil, who enviously deceived the first man under the form of a serpent. But the same holy Scripture affords the most ample testimony that even godly men have been called angels; for of John it is written: “Behold, I send my messenger (angel) before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way.” And the prophet Malachi, by a peculiar grace specially communicated to him, was called an angel.

Saint Augustine in the same book and chapter, continues to confirm the statement emboldened and underlined above. It's hard to imagine that St Augustine believed angels of God could become demonic spirits, who being created good became evil through disobedience. Speaking of those sons of God (humans) they are those who apostatized from God along with their chief the devil, whose deception was to the first man (A&E) not said to be a fallen angel of God who became evil through disobedience to God.

But some are moved by the fact that we have read that the fruit of the connection between those who are called angels of God and the women they loved were not men like our own breed, but giants; just as if there were not born even in our own time (as I have mentioned above) men of much greater size than the ordinary stature. Was there not at Rome a few years ago, when the destruction of the city now accomplished by the Goths was drawing near, a woman, with her father and mother, who by her gigantic size over-topped all others? Surprising crowds from all quarters came to see her, and that which struck them most was the circumstance that neither of her parents were quite up to the tallest ordinary stature.

Giants therefore might well be born, even before the sons of God, who are also called angels of God, formed a connection with the daughters of men, or of those living according to men, that is to say, before the sons of Seth formed a connection with the daughters of Cain. For thus speaks even the canonical Scripture itself in the book in which we read of this; its words are: “And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair [good]; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord God said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became the giants, men of renown.” These words of the divine book sufficiently indicate that already there were giants in the earth in those days, in which the sons of God took wives of the children of men, when they loved them because they were good, that is, fair. For it is the custom of this Scripture to call those who are beautiful in appearance “good.” But after this connection had been formed, then too were giants born.

For the words are: “There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men.” Therefore there were giants both before, “in those days,” and “also after that.” And the words, “they bare children to them,” show plainly enough that before the sons of God fell in this fashion they begat children to God, not to themselves,—that is to say, not moved by the lust of sexual intercourse, but discharging the duty of propagation, intending to produce not a family to gratify their own pride, but citizens to people the city of God; and to these they as God’s angels would bear the message, that they should place their hope in God, like him who was born of Seth, the son of resurrection, and who hoped to call on the name of the Lord God, in which hope they and their offspring would be co-heirs of eternal blessings, and brethren in the family of which God is the Father.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Can someone have more than 1 demon?

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

1 devil getting 7 more wicked means there are 8 devils living in the same person. This describes to me the religious person that doesn't truly surrender, they may be convicted, they may desire a time clean house, the devil may leave for a season, but the Holy Spirit does not come to live within them. After a while that same demon brings 7 more wicked demons with him and takes ownership of his house, only he takes more control.

What about Mary Magdalene? She had 7 devils?

Luke 8:2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

Mark 16: 9¶Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

What about the man controlled by a legion of demons?

Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mar 5:10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Mar 5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
Mar 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mar 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

A Roman legion was somewhere between 1000 and 6000 men. In this case you were looking at about 2000 devils.

TS and rwb make Jesus and the Word of God to be lies. They argue that these demons were fictional. They were not real. They represented abstract evil not real evil invisible entities with personalities that entered certain wicked and tormented them. If a devil simply represents evil, what are multiple devils? They have no answer for the many points brought up in the Op. That is why they had to run with their tails between their legs.

I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life.

Agree. But, in fairness to rwb, he doesn't deny the existence of evil spirits/demons like TS does. He claims that that they are not fallen angels (were not formerly God's angels) and were created to be evil. That is also false, but I thought I should mention that what you're talking about in relation to demon possession doesn't necessarily apply to what rwb believes since he does believe that evil spirits called demons exist and I assume he would agree that they can possess people, including several or many of them possessing one person.

 

[WPM]

Agree. But, in fairness to rwb, he doesn't deny the existence of evil spirits/demons like TS does. He claims that that they are not fallen angels (were not formerly God's angels) and were created to be evil. That is also false, but I thought I should mention that what you're talking about in relation to demon possession doesn't necessarily apply to what rwb believes since he does believe that evil spirits called demons exist and I assume he would agree that they can possess people, including several or many of them possessing one person.

But does he? He high-fives everything TS posts on this issue. He never disagrees with him. He also doesn't think Satan is an evil spirit, but basically evil. Get my opening post.

 

[WPM]

Gee-whiz. They saw Stephen's face as the face of messenger with the ministering spirit.



Gabriel "IS" Jesus Christ himself, the messenger of the Lord. Just as Michael is also Jesus Christ. The chief messenger of God. I have explained this with Scripture support before. No need to explain again to the deniers.


Sigh...here we go again... Still clueless, aren't you?

...according to whom? On the contrary, angels are very "literally, positively, strictly, absolutely, exactly, and precisely," Messengers. The divinely inspired written words themselves (מַלְאַךְ or [mal'ak] and ἄγγελος or [aggelos]) "explicitly" declare this so that there can be no confusion as if TribulationSigns is declaring or injecting this into the Text. The "God authored, divinely inspired actual Hebrew and Greek words ARE Messengers." Just so you know, it was God who authored that word, not me. ...despite the rhetoric from the peanut gallery where you are sitting from.

Jamess 2:25

• "Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"

That word מַלְאַךְ or [mal'ak] in Hebrew and ἄγγελος or [aggelos] in Greek concerning Rahab, is messenger (angel). Do you know why? It is because that word in Hebrew and Greek actually means messenger! Period! Thus an "actual" translation would render it messenger. But as you well know by now, it wasn't translated throughout the Bible, it was changed according to the translator's whim, feelings, opinions, thoughts, traditions, and flawed personal beliefs, like yours! An opinion is not divinely inspired, you will grant me that, won't you?

Rahab received the messengers of Israel. She didn't receive the "angels" of Israel because that divinely inspired word is messengers. Just as it is in the other places where it is found! Now there are different kinds of messengers, but they are all still messengers. God is a messenger, Jesus is a messenger, and the Holy Spirit is a Messenger, but it doesn't change the word messenger! Selah! No matter how people like you insist on "injecting" a Greek word into the Hebrew text in the Old Testament concerning these messengers, it doesn't change the divinely inspired Hebrew word messenger into man's opinion of it being an "angelic being." And this is the exact same word changed to "angel" elsewhere, illustrating once again that the word elsewhere means "messenger." That doesn't mean a being like the Lord, with supernatural abilities, cannot be a messenger (since Christ is clearly called a messenger/angel), it means that Christ is a Messenger coming with a message for God's people. He even appeared in Joseph's dream to take Mary and baby Jesus to Egypt! Not your silly feathered angel. Thus calling God or Jesus an angel (as translators have done) is a misnomer. The very fact that they did this Proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that translations are not infallible and that they are wrong.

2nd Samuel 22:31

• "As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him."

Thus I trust that God's divinely inspired word for messenger there is tried and is found perfect. Meaning that man's refusal to translate it accurately, choosing instead to change that word to "mean" an angel, is in error. It may have been well-intentioned by translators, (cough, cough) but it is STILL an error.

Next!

Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

After His temptation, was this a bunch of human prophets that came and ministered to the Lord?

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

After His resurrection, was this a human prophet or God Himself that came and ministered to the Marys? Remember, no man has seen God and lived (Exodus 33:20).

 

[Muna]

Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

After His temptation, was this a bunch of human prophets that came and ministered to the Lord?

That was cute (reading in the backround) should stay there lol

 

[rwb]

Agree. But, in fairness to rwb, he doesn't deny the existence of evil spirits/demons like TS does. He claims that that they are not fallen angels (were not formerly God's angels) and were created to be evil. That is also false, but I thought I should mention that what you're talking about in relation to demon possession doesn't necessarily apply to what rwb believes since he does believe that evil spirits called demons exist and I assume he would agree that they can possess people, including several or many of them possessing one person.

When I came back into this discussion, I had resolved myself to reply to some posts and simply ignore others. I came back in because I believe my replies might be beneficial to some who read here. Even if they will of little doubt continue to greatly annoy some who cannot accept Satan was NEVER an angel of God whose disobedience made him evil.

Truth is that I've come to believe lately is that God did not create Satan at all. Not as evil, nor as angel of God who disobeyed God and became an evil spirit.

I think a case could be made that spiritual evil called darkness & death has always existed and was part of all that God created to be "very good". The Spirit that is God existed before the foundation of the world, which proves there was a spiritual presence even in the darkness. The darkness that brought death was invaded by God when He spoke and His Light entered into all that He created of the earth, sea, and sky. The darkness was not yet defeated but would be utterly defeated through the promised Lamb of God who would come to give everlasting life to whosoever believes on Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

More on the elect angels
What does the Bible say about elect angels?

And Christians will judge angels, that would be the bad ones, Satan's angels.
Paul distinguishes judging angels from the things pertaining to this life, which points out they are not human beings.

1 Cor 6

1 Corinthians 6​

New King James Version​

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6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4 If then you have [a]judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!

 

[Scott Downey]

When I came back into this discussion, I had resolved myself to reply to some posts and simply ignore others. I came back in because I believe my replies might be beneficial to some who read here. Even if they will of little doubt continue to greatly annoy some who cannot accept Satan was NEVER an angel of God whose disobedience made him evil.

Truth is that I've come to believe lately is that God did not create Satan at all. Not as evil, nor as angel of God who disobeyed God and became an evil spirit.

I think a case could be made that spiritual evil called darkness & death has always existed and was not part of all that God created to be "very good". The Spirit that is God existed before the foundation of the world, which proves there was a spiritual presence even in the darkness. The darkness that brought death was invaded by God when He spoke and His Light entered into all that He created of the earth, sea, and sky. The darkness was not yet defeated but would be utterly defeated through the promised Lamb of God who would come to give everlasting life to whosoever believes on Him.

Reconsider you consideration

Romans 11

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

Colossians 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

 

[rwb]

More on the elect angels
What does the Bible say about elect angels?

And Christians will judge angels, that would be the bad ones, Satan's angels.
Paul distinguishes judging angels from the things pertaining to this life, which points out they are not human beings.

1 Cor 6

1 Corinthians 6​

New King James Version​

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6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4 If then you have [a]judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!

Was Paul really saying believers will judge angels of God? What would we judge them for? Did God make His angel ministering spirits of those who are heirs of salvation then discover they cannot be trusted to do God's bidding? That makes no sense.

We shall be judges of those who call themselves messengers of God. They are judged according to what is written. Knowing that there would be counterfeit disciples of Christ in the church, before leaving Christ gave gifts to the church, that they might be able to judge between that which is truth or error.

Ephesians 4:8 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:11-16 (KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ephesians 3

Purpose of the Mystery​

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

9 and to make all see what is the [b]fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things [c]through Jesus Christ;

10 to the intent that now the [d]manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the [e]principalities and powers in the heavenly places,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.

13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

Appreciation of the Mystery​

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [f]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

 

[rwb]

Reconsider you consideration

Romans 11

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

What is it you believe I should reconsider. What have I said that cannot be biblically supported?

 

[Scott Downey]

Was Paul really saying believers will judge angels of God? What would we judge them for? Did God make His angel ministering spirits of those who are heirs of salvation then discover they cannot be trusted to do God's bidding? That makes no sense.

We shall be judges of those who call themselves messengers of God. They are judged according to what is written. Knowing that there would be counterfeit disciples of Christ in the church, before leaving Christ gave gifts to the church, that they might be able to judge between that which is truth or error.

Ephesians 4:8 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:11-16 (KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

It makes a lot of sense, but your problem is you do not believe in fallen angels who sin.
And that turns off the part of your mind to see that clearly.

 

[Scott Downey]

What is it you believe I should reconsider. What have I said that cannot be biblically supported?

That ALL things were created by God in creation, nothing was made unless God made it, including beings that became evil, like Satan

All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 1​

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New King James Version​

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God’s Supreme Revelation​

1 God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

If anything exists at all, it is because it is the will of God that it does. And that includes Satan, even in his current state.
Satan exists and continues to exist being upheld by the word of His power.

Until God says no more. Then things are changed

 

[rwb]

Colossians 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

The Bible tells us that out of darkness & nothingness all that God created is very good. Why did God make a Covenant with mankind before the foundation of the earth saying, He would provide Himself the Lamb slain from before creation of the earth, sea and sky? The fact that darkness existed when God spoke into creation all things, does not mean that His creation would be defeated by the darkness that would bring death to His creation. That God spoke Light into the darkness, and it was so, proves God has power over darkness and death through the Light & Life He brought to the whole creation. God divided the darkness from the Light calling it Day & Night before creating the sun, moon and stars.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Bible tells us that out of darkness & nothingness all that God created is very good. Why did God make a Covenant with mankind before the foundation of the earth saying, He would provide Himself the Lamb slain from before creation of the earth, sea and sky? The fact that darkness existed when God spoke into creation all things, does not mean that His creation would be defeated by the darkness that would bring death to His creation. That God spoke Light into the darkness, and it was so, proves God has power over darkness and death through the Light & Life He brought to the whole creation. God divided the darkness from the Light calling it Day & Night before creating the sun, moon and stars.

You're postulating there was something before God created anything, and you're calling it the darkness. The only thing that had any 'preexistence' was God.
You seem to be setting up a kind of dualism.

Scripture was written for US, not God, and simply as a way to understand things, as an 'understanding' to know Him. God spoke all things into existence from nothing,

 

[rwb]

That ALL things were created by God in creation, nothing was made unless God made it, including beings that became evil, like Satan

All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

God tells us He creates darkness & evil. Is the prophet telling us the darkness before creation was created by God? And why does the prophet say that God creates evil? All who are of God are called the light of the world, and the wicked are known as children of the darkness and night, yet both the good and the evil are created in the womb through the providence of God.

Isaiah 45:5-7 (KJV) I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Psalm 104:20-23 (KJV) Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth. The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God. The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens. Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.

Proverbs 4:19 (KJV) The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

John 12:35-36 (KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

1 Thessalonians 5:5 (KJV) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

 

[rwb]

Hebrews 1​

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New King James Version​

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God’s Supreme Revelation​

1 God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

If anything exists at all, it is because it is the will of God that it does. And that includes Satan, even in his current state.
Satan exists and continues to exist being upheld by the word of His power.

Until God says no more. Then things are changed

I agree! All things exist including Satan who has always been evil, through the providence and power of God.